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spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

The prevention paradox but it's bombs instead of disease

# ? Oct 31, 2022 16:27

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# ? May 23, 2024 12:17

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

WarpedLichen posted:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-lost-temper-zelenskyy-phone-call-ukraine-aid-rcna54592

I would have thought that any more forward progress for this year would be pure bonus politically speaking but it seems there's some push back. Also interesting to consider is if there's any blowback from winning too hard too fast and reducing will to send aid because of the you're already doing fine effect.

The phone conversation in the linked article happened in June, for reference

# ? Oct 31, 2022 16:28

WarpedLichen: Aug 14, 2008

KitConstantine posted:

The phone conversation in the linked article happened in June, for reference

Yeah, it's quite annoying when they do that and I should've pointed that out, that's why I was trying to speak more to the part in Oct:

quote:

Concerns about fading support for Ukraine are also driving the current offensives, according to a defense official and a former official, as Ukraine tries to show momentum on the battlefield to encourage the flow of more weapons.

On Oct. 12, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin convened a meeting of the Ukraine Contact Group in Brussels, a periodic gathering of allies, to discuss how to get more weapons and equipment into Ukrainian military hands. While past meetings have yielded assistance from ammunition to missile launchers, this month�s meeting took on new urgency, according to three defense officials familiar with the discussions.

Though again, how much of that is retroactive framing I don't know, because I didn't remember any out of the ordinary coverage when the contact group was meeting.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 16:37

Just Another Lurker: May 1, 2009

KitConstantine posted:

Good morning friends

....

Thank you for the awesome knowledge bomb. :tipshat:

# ? Oct 31, 2022 16:40

Rockker: Nov 17, 2010

Does Ukraine have any of these Kh-55 or Kh-101 missiles?

Seems they gave a bunch to Russia (along with bombers) at the end of the Cold War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-55#:~:text=In%20October%201999%2C%20a%20compromise,Lugar%20Cooperative%20Threat%20Reduction%20programme.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:00

Flappy Bert: Dec 11, 2011; I have seen the light, and it is a string

surf rock posted:

Different topic, but this reminded me or something I've been wondering: is there a good write-up about Russian military doctrine out there that's accessible to a non-expert audience? I'd especially be interested in one that included comparisons with other major militaries.

https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf

This short primer got passed around a lot some months ago for seeming to predict exactly what happened to Russia in the field, but as part of it includes a good description about how things are supposed to go.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:24

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Inferior Third Season posted:

What is the harvest season for the types of grains Ukraine exports?

In the us soy would normally be beginning export by vessel now (And it started early this year) and would run through March. Corn would start a month or two after.

Wheat is different though and has two potential seasons and I don�t know the months exports really kick in for it.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:26

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

Russia-focused round up

Russian article on their 'suspension' of the grain deal
https://twitter.com/SokovNikolai/status/1586844957226287106?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
And comment from today, from the same site - https://iz.ru/1418931/2022-10-31/nebenzia-zaiavil-o-postavlennom-kievom-kreste-na-zernovoi-sdelke?main_click

quote:

...
�We proceed from the fact that the �Black Sea Initiative� concluded between Russia, Turkey and Ukraine with the assurance of the UN on July 22 should not be implemented without us, and the decisions and measures taken without our participation do not oblige us to anything,� Nebenzya said at a meeting of the Council UN security.
...
�We will be forced to take independent measures to control the dry cargo ships that were passed by the Joint Coordination Center without our approval,� he said.

Interestingly the suspension of the deal occurred at the same time as Putin/Lavrov hinting that they're open to negotiation - source account is a milsec guy who has chud tendencies but is good on foreign policy
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587065072278556677?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587068894556061698?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587071184268558337?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Translated text of first linked article:

quote:

PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, October 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia is ready to talk with the West to reduce tensions, but only if there are realistic proposals based on equal approaches, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.
�We are always ready to listen to our Western colleagues if they make another request to organize a conversation. I hope that, in addition to reproducing in contacts through diplomatic departments and through other channels what they say publicly in propaganda fervor, they will be able to offer us some serious approaches that will contribute to defusing tensions and fully take into account the interests of the Russian Federation and its security," he said in an interview for the film "The World on the Edge. Lessons of the Caribbean Crisis," shown on Channel One.

"If we are approached with realistic proposals based on the principles of equality and mutual respect of interests, aimed at finding compromises and balancing the interests of all countries in this region, we will not be the case, as it has always been in the past," Lavrov stressed. .

He added that Russia's readiness for negotiations remains unchanged.
�Over the past six months, there have been several initiatives from the Americans and some other Western colleagues who have asked for telephone conversations with the Russian leader. Some foreign ministers have approached me with the same request. We have always agreed, we will always be ready to listen to possible proposals to reduce tensions of Western colleagues," Lavrov said.
He added that President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly said that we have never refused and do not refuse negotiations, he warned that those who refuse, and Ukraine does this on the direct instructions of Western sponsors, should understand: the longer they delay with negotiations, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us.

Interesting that Russia waited this long tbh
https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1587069587211919368?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw

quote:

Sergey Aksyonov, head of government in the Russian-annexed Crimea, has ordered a nationalization of private property belonging to either people or organizations �tied to the Kyiv regime.�

�I will sign the appropriate resolution tomorrow,� Aksyonov wrote on his Telegram channel, �and documents will then be submitted to the republic�s State Council. Russia�s enemies are not going to make money in Crimea, this is our principled position.�

Crimea is set to confiscate commercial property including Zaliv, a large ship-building plant, and the Bakhchysarai cement plant (�Stroyindustriya�). Crimea has already appointed provisional management to the Bakhchysarai plant and to Novatsentr, a chain of construction supply and hardware stores.

Aksyonov noted that the reorganization should not result in layoffs. The only exception to this might be the �authorized representatives of shareholders who carried out the will of their leaders in Kyiv.�

The fall conscription class 'won't be deployed to Ukraine*' apparently
https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1587084722684952583?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
However Mobilization is still not over, particularly in Chechnya - quoted tweet translation "Ramzan Kadyrov announced the continuation of mobilization activities in the republic. At a meeting with fighters of the SOBR "Akhmat" special unit, Kadyrov mentioned that "subpoenas will begin" in Chechnya."
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1587046888007733251?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw

quote:

�Summons will start now, and if he [a serviceman] is already enlisted in some regiment or battalion, then he won�t have to join the army, he will be among his own, Chechens. Otherwise, they will take you somewhere, to some division, brigade, and your relatives will not know where you are, " Kadyrov said , addressing the fighters of the detachment in Chechen.

Not over in Russia proper either, apparently
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1587013073260486657?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Unrelated to all of this stuff I'm sure
https://twitter.com/jonnytickle/status/1586313836272832512?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Well-researched article based on in-person interviews of life under Russian occupation. Content warning for descriptions of torture, abuse of civilians.
Original version in Ukrainian - https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/skhemy-spovid-kolaboranta-kharkivshchyna/32089484.html
https://twitter.com/sgutterman/status/1586958905602674691?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Financial Times article on how operations during winter are likely to go
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1586975124745605120?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Excerpts:

quote:

...
Keeping warm in a country where winter temperatures can drop as low as minus 30C is not the only consideration. At such extremes, equipment becomes harder to operate, booby traps can be hidden under snow, more fuel is needed for generators, supplies must move at night because there is less field cover, and navigation systems for some drones ice over. Even bullets are slower because cold air is denser than warm.
...

Kyiv residents were told on Thursday to prepare for longer and more frequent blackouts, while Ukrainian refugees have been told not to return to the country this winter to ease strains on the country�s energy system.

�The networks will not cope,� warned deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk. �We need to survive the winter.�
...

�In winter, you need more logistics to support people because it�s colder and darker. You need more fuel. All this adds to frictions that slow operations, which tend to favour defence,� said Anthony King, professor of war studies at Warwick University.
...

�The Russians expect the winter season will help them, at least in the energy war . . . But Ukrainian soldiers will be much better off,� said Melnyk, partly because they can rely on material support from local populations. He cited a recent visit to a detachment near Kyiv, where he saw �locals helping provide [clean laundry], making sure [the soldiers] had food and bringing them whatever they needed�.

Special forces officer Taras Berezovets, who is deployed in the frontline city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, said: �We have a lot of stuff from volunteers. We have gas stored up. We have autonomous sources of power . . . The command was: get prepared.�

Russian troops do not enjoy the same level of support in newly occupied areas. Many of the tens of thousands of recently mobilised soldiers Moscow is rushing to Ukraine�s 1,100km frontline also lack basic equipment.
...

�I get lots of messages from the training camps where they�re sending the recruits,� said Pavel Gubarev, a former separatist leader in Donetsk, one of four Russia-controlled Ukrainian regions that Putin annexed in September. �There�s no military training and the conditions are dire.�

After Putin last week held the first meeting of a new government council charged with ensuring military supplies, the Kremlin said �problems with equipment continue to exist�.

The biggest unknown is the severity of the coming winter, say security officials and military experts, and whether the temperature drops to zero with lots of rain and mud, or to minus 10C when everything freezes.
...

Mykola Bielieskov, analyst at Ukraine�s National Institute for Strategic Studies, said Kyiv�s forces could use their �battlefield precision-guided munitions advantage to [wear down] Russian forces and make their life at the front more miserable�.

But mud would also limit Ukraine�s ability to mount counteroffensives. Defence minister Oleksii Reznikov said last week that heavy rain and rough terrain were making Kyiv�s attempt to retake the southern city of Kherson harder than its counteroffensive further north.

By contrast, �a deep freeze will make it possible to move [across] fields and theoretically open a way to offensives�, Bielieskov said.

He added that �sustaining morale through winter was the most important task for both sides . . . There�s a real possibility that Russian forces in the field might cross a point of no return if they�re not properly sustained.�

Norway increasing their readiness levels in light of recent drone incursions on Norwegian airspace
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1587073511847337984?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Russia reportedly fired again on the nuclear plant
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1586826541144702977?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
From a russian source - two helicopters mysteriously exploded. Translation of tweet "In the Pskov region, two Russian military Ka-52 helicopters were damaged as a result of explosions, a REN TV source reports."
https://twitter.com/izvestia_ru/status/1586991390139060225?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Edit: oops this tweet just has the details of the apparent target of the strike near Moldova
https://twitter.com/nicupopescu/status/1587036602215403523?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
Nice thing - Kyiv restoring the water that got shut down. not all the way there but progress :unsmith:

https://twitter.com/fabrice_deprez/status/1587104377793396738?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
To close - not a :lol:

but a sensible chuckle at least
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1586873134011097095?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw

KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Oct 31, 2022

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:29

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

Russia's response to the convoy of Grain ships moving out: they won't let them - https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/news/2022/10/31/7149755/
https://twitter.com/EuropeanPravda/status/1587138928816971776?s=20&t=JGbj53DFVpY-ayvl2RiMwQ
Translated text of the article

quote:

The Ministry of Defense of Russia on Monday announced the suspension of the movement of ships in the "grain corridor" after the suspension of participation in the Black Sea Grain Initiative.

This is reported by "European Truth".

"The movement of ships through the security corridor is unacceptable, as the Ukrainian leadership and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use it to conduct hostilities against the Russian Federation," the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation states.

In response, Moscow expects Kyiv to accept "additional commitments not to use this route for military purposes."

"We are counting on the assistance of the international organization in obtaining guarantees from Ukraine regarding the non-use of the humanitarian corridor and Ukrainian ports designated for the export of agricultural products to conduct hostilities against the Russian Federation," the Russian Ministry of Defense added.

It will be recalled that on October 29, Russia announced that it was suspending participation in the implementation of the "grain agreement" allegedly because of the "terrorist attack" in the Sevastopol Bay on Saturday morning. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that the targets of the attack in the Sevastopol Bay were ships of the Black Sea Fleet, which were allegedly involved in ensuring the security of the grain corridor.

As the European Parliament wrote in its article, the "grain agreement" can work even without the participation of the Russian side, if it is the will of Turkish President Erdogan, and the implementation of this scenario has already begun.

You may note that boat drones notwithstanding Ukraine does not in fact have a navy? So. Not sure how much better they could guarantee the 'non usage' of the corridor for military operations.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:53

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

KitConstantine posted:

Interestingly the suspension of the deal occurred at the same time as Putin/Lavrov hinting that they're open to negotiation - source account is a milsec guy who has chud tendencies but is good on foreign policy
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587065072278556677?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587068894556061698?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1587071184268558337?s=20&t=kKVwFTggOuA4ATWyi0upOw

This part seems to be the same bad faith negotiation offer they've been dangling for months.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:20

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

Discendo Vox posted:

This part seems to be the same bad faith negotiation offer they've been dangling for months.

Note: quoted account is a good source for foreign policy I do NOT endorse all or even most of their opinions. Morning phrasing

And Russia hasn't been open to negotiations in public since the Turkey round of talks fell through. They've been quoted as saying they were open via backchannels but this is the first time in a while where an official openness has been expressed

Not saying it's an appealing or sincere offer but they are actually making one

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:32

Orthanc6: Nov 4, 2009

KitConstantine posted:

Note: quoted account is a good source for foreign policy I do NOT endorse all or even most of their opinions. Morning phrasing

And Russia hasn't been open to negotiations in public since the Turkey round of talks fell through. They've been quoted as saying they were open via backchannels but this is the first time in a while where an official openness has been expressed

Not saying it's an appealing or sincere offer but they are actually making one

Well that is notable for being a return to open gestures, but yeah, still moot cause no one will or should start open negotiations without Ukraine. Russia's "diplomacy" is literally just to waste everyone's time, and bring in the useful idiots who are broke-brained enough to buy any of it. We might as well play white noise over all their statements at the UN until Putin croaks.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:41

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

That's why I think its tied to pulling out of the grain shipping deal and their Saber rattling about ooooh someone's gonna get it if the EU/Ukraine try to ship anyway, while simultaneously saying "oh by the way Putin is open to negotiating again

"

It's more blackmail - holding grain hostage kind of worked last time so they're trying it again.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:44

BoldFace: Feb 28, 2011

How is the Russian aviation industry doing these days? Were they able to get past the sanctions and continue domestic and foreign flights to friendly/impartial countries?

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:44

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

https://mobile.twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1587125065740685316
So that's the apparent Russian response: attacking a civilian grain vessel that's apparently not part of the convoy.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 20:23

Bremen: Jul 20, 2006; Our God..... is an awesome God

OddObserver posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1587125065740685316
So that's the apparent Russian response: attacking a civilian grain vessel that's apparently not part of the convoy.

gently caress Russia. I mean, this whole thread is full of reasons to go gently caress Russia, and this can't even be honestly said to be the worst, but still, gently caress Russia.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 20:56

Rad Russian: Aug 15, 2007; Soviet Power Supreme!

BoldFace posted:

How is the Russian aviation industry doing these days? Were they able to get past the sanctions and continue domestic and foreign flights to friendly/impartial countries?

From what I'm hearing people are flying as before (domestically). Although after another year I would personally not get onto a Russian-owned Airbus/Boeing that had no adequate maintenance for that long. The govt doesn't care about safety much so might just run them into the ground completely (sort of like running a car without oil changes until it dies). Although hopefully crews will just ground them one by one as they run out of parts to cannibalize instead of risking it. Lots more Russian-made aircraft are now out to service routes and Russia is trying to quickly ramp up domestic aircraft production, although these have a much more dubious safety record.

For international flights, they're pretty much depending on foreign airlines to take you to Turkey/Georgia/Saudia Arabia etc as those places just send their own airlines to service Russia. Flights are just much more expensive compared to before the war. For example, to get to Europe you're paying 5-10x the previous rate and flying through Georgia/Turkey instead of direct.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Oct 31, 2022

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:02

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

OddObserver posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1587125065740685316
So that's the apparent Russian response: attacking a civilian grain vessel that's apparently not part of the convoy.

https://twitter.com/pauluni17/status/1587092328057114624

Looks like Russia's impotence in the Black Sea is pretty clear now

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:30

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

New war on the rocks featuring Michael Koffman
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1587175283010027521?s=20&t=TkEOusJGitdncAFFW77SSg
Excerpts from the thread.... of excerpts from the podcast, starting with bonus Koff-comment
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1587178480537665539?s=20&t=TkEOusJGitdncAFFW77SSg
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1587175291755053056?s=20&t=TkEOusJGitdncAFFW77SSg
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1587175300324114433?s=20&t=TkEOusJGitdncAFFW77SSg
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1587175305072058369?s=20&t=TkEOusJGitdncAFFW77SSg

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:40

Charlotte Hornets: Dec 30, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

Allegedly sabotaging Ka-52s in a base near Pskov, Russia

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1587182889002827780?cxt=HHwWiIC8ybSb54YsAAAA

# ? Oct 31, 2022 22:12

KitConstantine: Jan 11, 2013

Taking clout chasing to whole new levels :psyduck:

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1587184044260859906?t=Q19vZhmqQAEGOhUaI10soQ&s=19
Wild

# ? Oct 31, 2022 22:48

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

The multiple camera angles were pretty funny. Obviously they weren't too concerned about detection. It looks like there helicopters were in a storage facility and had minimal security.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 22:50

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Weird. No guards near the actual choppers?

# ? Oct 31, 2022 23:02

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

They probably all got mobilised and sent to the front

# ? Oct 31, 2022 23:14

Flavahbeast: Jul 21, 2001

Doing it during the day is real ballsy too, if it's real. Maybe all the tarmac guards have been requisitioned for use elsewhere?

# ? Oct 31, 2022 23:15

mllaneza: Apr 28, 2007; Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Maybe it IS one of the tarmac guards.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 23:57

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

Flavahbeast posted:

Doing it during the day is real ballsy too, if it's real. Maybe all the tarmac guards have been requisitioned for use elsewhere?

Good chance they just let you right in, no questions asked, if you walk in confidently enough and and look like you have a purpose. "They aren't paying me enough to check every rear end in a top hat who shows up around here, it's probably one of the quartermaster's buddies coming to pick up contraband :effort:

# ? Oct 31, 2022 23:59

OAquinas: Jan 27, 2008; Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

steinrokkan posted:

Good chance they just let you right in, no questions asked, if you walk in confidently enough and and look like you have a purpose. "They aren't paying me enough to check every rear end in a top hat who shows up around here, it's probably one of the quartermaster's buddies coming to pick up contraband "

Isn't that literally a line from Andor?

Getting to Turkey/the straits is the first hurdle. Russia has a lot more fleet outside of Turkey they could use to interdict grain if they really want to be assholes about it.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:10

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OAquinas posted:

Isn't that literally a line from Andor?

Getting to Turkey/the straits is the first hurdle. Russia has a lot more fleet outside of Turkey they could use to interdict grain if they really want to be assholes about it.

What are the rules on stopping vessels in a 3rd party state? I can't imagine Greece would be thrilled with Russia pirating ships in the Aegean.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:26

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1587167853412847616

:getin:

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:30

MikeC: Jul 19, 2004; BITCH ASS NARC

When I first heard about the Russians shutting down the shipping lane again, I thought it was no big deal since the wheat harvest was probably over and shipped out but apparently, the Ukrainians ship an asston of maize in the late fall and early winter? Where are they growing this stuff or does maize take a long time to process?

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:33

Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

Somaen posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1587167853412847616

Good enough for passenger traffic, but rail and truck transport being largely redirected? They might not have been able to take it down, but it's good as.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:35

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

iirc it was ~15,000-30,000 vehicles a day before they blew it up, including a very large number of trucks.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:37

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

MikeC posted:

When I first heard about the Russians shutting down the shipping lane again, I thought it was no big deal since the wheat harvest was probably over and shipped out but apparently, the Ukrainians ship an asston of maize in the late fall and early winter? Where are they growing this stuff or does maize take a long time to process?

That's normal? Corn is harvested much later than wheat

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:37

Slo-Tek: Jun 8, 2001; WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

steinrokkan posted:

Good chance they just let you right in, no questions asked, if you walk in confidently enough and and look like you have a purpose. "They aren't paying me enough to check every rear end in a top hat who shows up around here, it's probably one of the quartermaster's buddies coming to pick up contraband "

So, few years back I was in Moscow for some arms dealing with a buddy. Went to Monino to check out the Central Air Museum. They have an insane collection of the last of and only of all kinds of weird poo poo. But there was some stuff I knew was in the collection but not on display. So I watched the guards for a minute, and tasked my friends as lookouts, and hopped over the fence to take some pictures of the stuff in the tall grass on the backlot. The guards were accounted for, but I didn't account for one of the very few concerned citizens wandering the grounds as well. As I was jumping the fence, a Russian woman started fussing at me, and wasn't in the least mollified by my cheerful wave and puckish grin. Rather than argue with her, I just kept on and took my pictures. As I was climbing back over the fence, the woman was physically dragging a guard to where I was. My friends were standing a plausibly deniable distance away, not going to jail with me, listening in. Between the body language, and their translations I think I have this right.

Concerned Citizen: This Guy! He was over the fence!

Guard: Is he over the fence _right now_?

Concerned Citizen: Obviously Not!

Guard: This is not my problem.

~Fin~

Met the only person in a week of Russia who gave a gently caress, and it wasn't somebody who could do anything about it. One of the more Russian experiences of a very Russian trip.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:38

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Chalks posted:

https://twitter.com/pauluni17/status/1587092328057114624

Looks like Russia's impotence in the Black Sea is pretty clear now

Good they�ve had no legitimate reason to stop vessels to inspect. They aren�t the port state for any of these shipments.

This means they�re impotent.

Fifteen handy�s is a pretty fair bit of grain too even not knowing destination / draft restrictions.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 01:54

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

OddObserver posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1587125065740685316
So that's the apparent Russian response: attacking a civilian grain vessel that's apparently not part of the convoy.

A barge with grain is a very different thing that a ship with grain too. A barge is brown water think like the intercostal or Mississippi. A ship is blue water and can go anywhere.

This is like kicking the dog.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:03

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

MikeC posted:

Where are they growing this stuff or does maize take a long time to process?

It has to be harvested, processed, shipped to small elevators, then shipped to big elevators at the terminals by truck rail or barge, then loaded.

It�s regulated too. It�s the most regulated cargo basically. In person regulated. The haz mat section of SOLAS was Grain and Hazardous Materials initially when it was first ratified.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:09

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

If you want to watch the convey use an AIS right now. I�ve boarded 3 of the ships for grain loadings in on years prior at calls at US ports.

Edit looks like one panamax and then mostly handys.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:22

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TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

Unfortunately I don't think this represents the blockade failing. I imagine the insurance companies have weighed the risks, and decided they'd rather have the ships out of there and meeting their contracts - rather than stuck and hostage to the fortunes of war. The blockade will only have failed when you see more ships heading *in*.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:38

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