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UA inside Kherson city. They've not reached the center yet, but it'll be happening very soon https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591025225084571649 https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591027173133008898
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Interesting historical thread, but not really stiring any irredentist feelings in me. https://mobile.twitter.com/MuKappa/status/1590756615103184897
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Russia is claiming the have evacuated all men and material safely across the Dnipro. Seeing a lot of these twitter feeds stating otherwise, and not seeing much in regards to combat footage that we seen during the push around Kharkiv. We know how trustworthy the Russian MoD is, but it does seem like Ukraine has not been pressing the attack to the extent in which they could and really making things diffilcult for the Russian retreat. While we probably will not be told the exact reasons or story of what is all currently going on it does really seem like Russia made some sort of deal with Ukraine to let them withdraw relatively unharrassed. If so, the failure to capture/destroy the Russian forces on their side of the river could come back to bite them. Truly a Dumbkirk.
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How do you attack them without damaging the city and endangering its population ? Sometimes for the safety of the civilian population you have to watch your fire
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Dick Ripple posted:Russia is claiming the have evacuated all men and material safely across the Dnipro. Seeing a lot of these twitter feeds stating otherwise, and not seeing much in regards to combat footage that we seen during the push around Kharkiv. We know how trustworthy the Russian MoD is, but it does seem like Ukraine has not been pressing the attack to the extent in which they could and really making things diffilcult for the Russian retreat. There is a lot of footage claiming to be of Russians changing into civilian clothes and just walking off into the city this morning. *edit* second part was faked so I've removed it to avoid spreading that any further Chalks fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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Nov 11, 2022 13:21
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They could have planned around this, maybe retake Kerson relatively intact using inexperienced troops while regrouping elite brigades up north to cause havoc again. An unharmed city is a hell of a prize seeing what happened to other places.
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Chalks posted:I'm not sure of the source of it or if it's accurate, but it's been reposted by several accounts and appears to show a lot of Russian mobile phones floating down the river during the height of the panic. I wouldn't necessarily equate a Russian soldier no longer being in Kherson with them having evacuated successfully. a joke that got out of hand https://twitter.com/NobodyK83030025/status/1590890166041735168
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Dick Ripple posted:Russia is claiming the have evacuated all men and material safely across the Dnipro. Seeing a lot of these twitter feeds stating otherwise, and not seeing much in regards to combat footage that we seen during the push around Kharkiv. We know how trustworthy the Russian MoD is, but it does seem like Ukraine has not been pressing the attack to the extent in which they could and really making things diffilcult for the Russian retreat. It's not too surprising that many/most troops could be evacuated. Getting vehicles, ammunition, etc. out would have been the hard part.
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i wonder when ukrainians manage to cut the occupied zones in half, maybe spring? isn't the southern coastal area less prone to rasputitsa?
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Going for Mariupol next would make sense in my mind but I ain't no military commander person
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https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1591047093874851840 https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1591049872475815936 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591054025004552193?s=20&t=-zKKzi0i1qBHmChZ9878Dw That's a pretty amazing victory.
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Meanwhile Russia continues its spiritual war against decadent Western values through legislating. The new law that aims to extend ban on LGBTQ+ propaganda to all people, not just children, now also touches on the cesspit that is gaming. The following games are proposed to be banned in Russia: - Assassin's Creed - The Sims 3* - The Last of Us - Dragon Age - Life Is Strange - Fallout - Apex Legends - RimWorld - Overwatch - Le crime du parking** - Borderlands - Divinity: Original Sin 2 * You might remember that a copy of Sims 3 was found at the flat of definitely real nazi terrorists who planned to assassinate Vladimir Soloviov, one of Russia's loudest propagandists ** A very raunchy French adventure game from 1985 for Apple II. Yeah, I don't know either. Cursory googling reveals it's one of the first games with a gay character in it. A real deep cut from Duma gamers here. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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I see the powerful Slavic mapgaming lobby carved themselves an exemption
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Paladinus posted:Meanwhile Russia continues its spiritual war against decadent Western values through legislating. The new law that aims to extend ban on LGBTQ+ propaganda to all people, not just children, now also touches on the cesspit that is gaming. The following games are proposed to be banned in Russia: Oh man, banning Overwatch because of the SFM porn lol
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Franks Happy Place posted:They are borderline dunbfire rockets with rudimentary guidance and a gently caress off huge warhead. MLRS was originally a slight refinement on the same concept. The original (and until 2005, the ONLY rocket available for MLRS) was an unguided dispenser with between 500 and 600 submunitions, depending on subtype. During the Gulf war it acquired several nicknames, among them “The Corps Commander’s sawed-off,” and “grid-eraser.” ATACMS was deployed in small numbers just in time for the gulf war, but it wasn’t until relatively recently that precision guided munitions became the primary payload for MLRS and HIMARS. Both systems retain the ability to fire unguided munitions, but the Army has stated that it is in the process of divesting all remaining stocks of non-precision MLRS family munitions.
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They seem really sure that some Russian long range rocket battery won't spoil their party, the enemy is still just across the river...  But anyway this is something to celebrate about 
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Young Freud posted:Oh man, banning Overwatch because of the SFM porn lol It's because two of the characters are gay* * but only in supplementary media like comics and short stories and never mentioned in game 
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Paladinus posted:(...) now also touches on the cesspit that is gaming(...) Cue half of the pro-Z twitter reversing their views
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Army has arrived in Central Kherson! https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591059482968494080
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Warbadger posted:It's not too surprising that many/most troops could be evacuated. Getting vehicles, ammunition, etc. out would have been the hard part. e: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1591002585871572992 Luigi's Discount Porn Bin fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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Given how wildly the media mood is swinging around this the past 24 hours, I suspect it’ll take us quite a bit more time to receive any actual details of the Russian retreat, or exactly how AFU rolled back in. Is there geolocation available for this? ChubbyChecker posted:i wonder when ukrainians manage to cut the occupied zones in half, maybe spring? Probably not in months, they just got a lot more work to do with security the liberated parts of Kherson oblast’ and moving things up to the river. The weather right now is probably at its worst for the season, and there’s plenty of “bad” in the southern “less bad road conditions”. spankmeister posted:Going for Mariupol next would make sense in my mind but I ain't no military commander person It’s quite far away, and would be shot at from basically all directions, including dumb artillery stationed in Russian Federation. Something like like Verkhnii Tokmak would be more practical, since there’s a rail station for the sole railway connecting Crimea with Russia overland.
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Paladinus posted:- Le crime du parking** Woah, that blast from the past, I played that as a kid on my Apple //c. It was a murder detective game in the classic image + (lovely) syntax parser. How the hell did that even fall on their radar??? Did they just run some google search on the history of gay characters in video games and it somehow featured in?
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How are the reactions of the population in Kherson compared to when it was first occupied?
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FishMcCool posted:Woah, that blast from the past, I played that as a kid on my Apple //c. It was a murder detective game in the classic image + (lovely) syntax parser. I suspect they read some listicle about LGBTQ+ representation in video games, like maybe a tvtropes page, and just picked games at random.
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I think the confusion around last night was probably the destruction of the bridge and related fighting, rather than the capture of 20k troops.
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Paladinus posted:Meanwhile Russia continues its spiritual war against decadent Western values through legislating. The new law that aims to extend ban on LGBTQ+ propaganda to all people, not just children, now also touches on the cesspit that is gaming. The following games are proposed to be banned in Russia: thats a weird rear end collection of games. Paladinus posted:I suspect they read some listicle about LGBTQ+ representation in video games, like maybe a tvtropes page, and just picked games at random. probably but its very scattershot.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats a weird rear end collection of games. somewhat NSFW, I guess https://www.playground.ru/misc/news/lgbt_personazhi_v_kompyuternyh_igrah-338887
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cant cook creole bream posted:How are the reactions of the population in Kherson compared to when it was first occupied? There’s just a few minutes of it so far, and undoubtedly only the most flattering ones, but the mood coming across is that of the relief, and, if you remember, there were months of protests and street clashes following the advent of the occupation.
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https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1590418235866112003?s=20&t=5KnzpQA_3rcKQNiNkxBn_w I'm more on the side that they left a bunch of mobiks holding the bag while they got their veterans and equipment out, but we'll see.
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Well, I guess declaring that everyone and everything escaped and everything is totally fine just before the pocket closes and resistance collapses is one possible way to handle a major defeat. Gonna be interesting to see what actually happened here.
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That's an account that leans to over-optimism, to put it mildly.
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So far I have not seen any evidence for Russians left behind on the right bank. I am pretty sure they were in fact 90% gone already by Wednesday when the official announcement came. We will see how much damage Ukraine was able to do at the staging points for the crossings, but right now this is looking like a very well executed withdrawal with minimal losses by the Russians.
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I do think there's a lot of fog of war right now and triumph is premature. Capturing Kherson is an enormously positive development, but there is only extremely limited evidence that thousands of troops will be left behind.
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OddObserver posted:That's an account that leans to over-optimism, to put it mildly. 20k was the upper estimate for the number of Russian troops on the west bank before there was talk of withdrawal so talking about 20k being trapped implies that Russia has evacuated 0 which doesn't really make sense. I'm sure there was some chaos in the late stage withdrawal. It's a difficult process that requires a lot of coordination and discipline to execute well. But it seems like they got most of their equipment and people out or Ukrainian forces is uncharacteristically not posting about POWs and trophies. Anyway, it's a good day for Ukraine. They absolutely needed to clear the West bank of any Russian bridgeheads before they could even contemplate a negotiated peace.
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OddObserver posted:That's an account that leans to over-optimism, to put it mildly. TheDeadlyShoe posted:I do think there's a lot of fog of war right now and triumph is premature. Capturing Kherson is an enormously positive development, but there is only extremely limited evidence that thousands of troops will be left behind.  If Russians really managed to pull the main body of troops without effective interdiction then that's a lot more competent of them than anyone would have expected, especially given how their problems stemmed from how difficult it was to supply the troops with Ukrainian interdiction. They would have to have been really lucky though if there were no losses in the evacuation - stragglers, friendly fire or stepping in own mines in darkness, equipment failure etc.
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As a general aside, I don't know how well claims of "massive Ukrainian victory and thousands of POWs" lines up with Ukrainian official statements about their caution entering Kherson and the possibility of a trap. If Ukraine was publicly being slow and careful about their advance, the only way the Russians could have lost that badly was if the damage was mostly self-inflicted. Which given Russian performance so far isn't ENTIRELY to be ruled out, but... Also, even if there are troops that are panicking, the thing about panic is that it magnifies defeat. Talk to the first people running away from any battle throughout history and you'll find that it was a complete, total, utter defeat, an absolute massacre, no matter which side you're talking to. Private Ivan Ivanovich might only be seeing the folks immediately around him panicking and then extrapolating that to mean the entire army had lost control, despite not actually being aware of the state of the rest of the army.
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Paladinus posted:I suspect they read some listicle about LGBTQ+ representation in video games, like maybe a tvtropes page, and just picked games at random. I don’t remember any LGBT characters in any of the AC games and I played most of them. Definitely don’t remember any in AC1. Also they banned TLoU because.. the character came out as a lesbian in TLoU2? Or did they ban both games? Or because the actress/character model for the girl is a lesbian IRL? Fallout also, don’t remember anything LGBT in 1 or 2 except that you could sleep with a prostitute regardless of the sex of the player character. And banning fallout and dragon age but not Mass Effect? E: I realize I'm looking for way more logic than was actually applied. Also I guess Russians can't even legally buy video games anymore anyway from European, North American, or Japanese publishers (i.e. 99 of them?), so the ruling has like zero effect since everyone pirates everything in the first place. Saladman fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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There is footage of Russians walking across the pontoon bridge in a long line this morning so there was a constant evacuation until the very last minute. It doesn't seem like anyone was really "trapped" given that they were still evacuating this late, and the bulk of the city was mostly deserted by the time the UA arrived. However, the crossing points were being hit with artillery all night. We've not seen any footage from the landing points or the entry to the bridge, but I imagine that is where the real losses will be. There could also be a substantial number of Russian troops scattered around who have just decided to hide as civilians. They'll take a while to track down.
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