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rscott posted:This is 100% what it is. The "Biden Crime Family" is aping the "Trump Crime Family" rhetoric that's been prevalent since 2017 among liberals. The trick Trump (and by extension Republicans) do is accuse your opponent of every bad thing you have done. It is going to be insane when the Republicans start accusing Biden of sleeping with prostitutes; paying off said prostitutes; refusing to pay contractors on his multiple real estate properties; over estimating his worth to get favourable loans; being exactly like Trump but just not Trump.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It says in the article. Seems like the issue is that some activists think he is personally a jerk and they mostly agree with him on the issues, but think he is putting too much focus on race instead of race-neutral class arguments. Plus, some drama in 2018 over Democratic Party leadership elections. I found this to be most revealing, personally: quote:I texted Waleed Shahid, the communications director for the Justice Democrats, the group that backed Ocasio-Cortez and is most identified with primarying longtime Democratic incumbents to jolt the party left. What’s the problem with Jeffries? I asked. Shahid sent a link to Jeffries’s political donations, which lists his top donors’ professions as securities and investment and real estate. I asked Jeffries about that. “It’s time for the virtue signalers to stop shadowboxing on social media,” he told me. “Recruit a candidate, put on the boxing gloves, get in the ring, and we can work this out on the ground in the Eighth Congressional District.” “Virtue signalers” being deployed the second somebody wants to talk about being beholden to corporate donors is hilarious. Immediate pivot to right wing tropes about how nobody actually has a moral or ethical core.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'd prefer Porter, but Schiff did very well in the impeachment trail Think back to what it was like when Harris's senate seat had to be filled. There was intense pressure to fill the seat with another black woman and outrage by black leaders after it wasn't. To replace another senator, Dianne Feinstein no less, with a (straight!) white man would set off a firestorm. Of course, the most democratic thing would be to fill the seat with someone without career ambitions, like Jerry Brown who could just serve out the term, so there could be an open election and the people could make their own choice. There's only been one open election for a California senate seat in the last 30 years, Harris's. One governor making two lifetime Senate appointments is a bit much.
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Jeffries' project here seems to be to ensure the torch passes but the flame remains unchanged, and openly stating that if anybody to his left wants a word in anything they're going to need to go to war to get it is probably the smartest way to do that. As leader of the minority he's not got much he can do, but putting the screws to his left when he knows they'll vote for whatever he wants anyway also gets the moderates on his side. Margins like this mean any bloc with more than a handful of people can play hardball, but anybody around now has already had this chance so it's already known who matters and who doesn't. Things are likely to get a whole lot more cynical and I don't think the House actually-left-of-centers are up to the challenge. I'm just glad to see that the finance, rent seeking, and literal vampires sectors will continue to be represented, those plucky little underdogs. "Virtue signalers" is straight up right-wing reactionary framing designed to discredit all the stuff even he was saying is important, but I'd be amazed if we heard the first word from anybody in the party or press about that. Certainly an interesting way to make it plain what your priorities are.
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She made the smart play here, going out on a high note and keeping her word. It's difficult to overstate how much Pelosi has been Kobe for the Democrats. She'll be sorely missed. There's a lot of naivety from people who think having the correct opinions on the issues means you can just walk in and do that job, but that's exactly how you take a juggernaut trifecta and end your big talk GOP revenge fantasy with an embarrassing wet fart tax cut and jack poo poo else. Nothing matters if you can't wrangle people and get things done. Hakeem Jeffries has a lot of support, and a good rep for this position, but frankly it's incredibly irritating to have someone from New York coming into this right now. I wouldn't trust NY Dems to do my laundry at this point. If you're going to be a shithead moderate at least try to actually be good at it. None of that may be related to his Congressional operation but after that embarrassing dumpster fire performance in New York it's gonna take some evidence to see if he can fill Pelosi's shoes. For anyone who wants to read more about how Hakeem Jeffries might do as a Pelosi replacement, this article has some good background. He's been prepping for this for a while, and already has his own whip operation in place so he'll probably end up being fine. https://twitter.com/jmart/status/1593295607480950784 -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Say what you will about Pelosi but she knew better than to poo poo talk her caucus to reporters like that
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Hoyer officially stepping down too. All of House Dem leadership has confirmed that they are stepping down except for Jim Clyburn. Clyburn hasn't said if he plans to stay or not yet.
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So... I'd guess Hakeem Jefferies has the inside track to be minority leader, right? He's "just" 51 and the youngest person in leadership. edit: didn't even see the posted article, just deduced it myself JT Jag fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Pete Aguilar is also running for a leadership spot. I don't know very much about him. So, I can't really say much more about him than Google can. His general bio: - 43 - Hispanic - From Southern California. - Seems to be a generic southern California Dem. - Was one of the Jan. 6th Investigation committee members and led one of the hearings. - Used to be the Mayor of Redlands, California. He's a member of some very fun caucuses: - Latino-Jewish Caucus - Diabetes Caucus - Work for Warriors Caucus - Former Mayors Caucus - Wine Caucus - Native American Caucus - Steel Caucus I guess it's good that the average age of leadership will probably be in the late 40's and early 50's instead of early 80's. Not seeing anything especially great about any of the candidates so far, though. Katherine Clark supports Medicare for All and seems pretty good, I guess?
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Eric Cantonese posted:Steel Caucus? Like, the Riddle of Steel? Nah, the much more boring one for members of congress representing areas with a lot of steel workers and steel manufacturers. quote:The Congressional Steel Caucus is a bipartisan caucus of the United States Congress whose members represent regions with steel manufacturers or care about the health of the American steel industry.
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nine-gear crow posted:So the magic key to ending the inflation crisis is on Hunter Biden's laptop then? Now that we have an R House inflation no longer matters. Inflation is already leveling off so I expect the House to do nothing and then claim it as an R victory when it returns to normal levels.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Katherine Clark is also running for Speaker too I thought. She's been calling people asking for support for "a leadership position," but I don't think they have confirmed it is necessarily Minority Leader. Kevin McCarthy is going to be Speaker.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She's been calling people asking for support for "a leadership position," but I don't think they have confirmed it is necessarily Minority Leader. Kevin McCarthy is going to be Speaker. er...sorry right. I mean, I assume she is going for minority leader.
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Mooseontheloose posted:er...sorry right. I mean, I assume she is going for minority leader. Clyburn just confirmed he is stepping down too and endorsed Katherine Clark for Minority Whip. Unless Clyburn is just picking what position he thinks she would be best at, it seems like she is running for Minority Whip. That would be the #2 rank spot when your party doesn't have the Speakership. https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1593308723199594497
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Apparently MTG's price for her support for McCarthy as speaker was a promise to open a formal house investigation into whether the January 6th rioters that got arrested were mistreated.
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Rigel posted:Apparently MTG's price for her support for McCarthy as speaker was a promise to open a formal house investigation into whether the January 6th rioters that got arrested were mistreated. They already have quite a lot of investigations promised to members according to the NYT and NBC. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
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All the ancient lichs on the leadership stepping down is a fully good thing. Even if they're doing their best to make sure that they pass the torch to someone they've handpicked to change zero things.
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1593355943907041282 Bring on 2 years of entertaining chaos.
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Rigel posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1593355943907041282 K-Mack: "Today we're going to talking about bringing down gas--" MT McCarthy's pain will be amazing.
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I think the best we could possibly hope for is some moderate Republican helped with the votes of some Democrats in exchange for.... something. I dunno. That option isn't going to even begin to be explored for weeks though, if and only if the GOP definitively proves they can't elect anyone all by themselves with 218 Republicans.
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Rigel posted:I think the best we could possibly hope for is some moderate Republican helped with the votes of some Democrats in exchange for.... something. I dunno. That option isn't going to even begin to be explored for weeks though, if and only if the GOP definitively proves they can't elect anyone all by themselves with 218 Republicans. Bipartisan Speaker of the House is the most poisoned chalice I can imagine. I think this is a plurality realizing that Kevin McCarthy is a spineless turd who has promosed 15 investigations going 24/7 to anyone who will listen to his offers. Someone who tells people no is what they need / want.
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Gerund posted:Bipartisan Speaker of the House is the most poisoned chalice I can imagine. I think this is a plurality realizing that Kevin McCarthy is a spineless turd who has promosed 15 investigations going 24/7 to anyone who will listen to his offers. Someone who tells people no is what they need / want. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is never going to be a compromise Speaker candidate. People will absolutely extract concessions and fall in line. Nobody actually thinks Andy Biggs is going to win the Speakership and Andy Biggs has every incentive in the world to claim that the race isn't decided. We will yearn for the halcyon days of competence that was Paul Ryan's depressing slip-and-slide shitshow of misfires of a speakership.
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nine-gear crow posted:We will yearn for the halcyon days of competence that was Paul Ryan's depressing slip-and-slide shitshow of misfires of a speakership. Oh for those days when the most embarrassing thing about a Republican House Speaker was photos of his cringeworthy form doing bench curls.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Oh for those days when the most embarrassing thing about a Republican House Speaker was photos of his cringeworthy form doing bench curls. He was the first House Speaker who loved Rage Against the Machine (or at least admitted to it publicly).
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Madkal posted:He was the first House Speaker who loved Rage Against the Machine (or at least admitted to it publicly). And Tom Morello posted something to the effect of "stop listening to our music you fucker you're everything we hate in the world" upon learning that. Up there with the time Springsteen snubbed Chris Christie.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And Tom Morello posted something to the effect of "stop listening to our music you fucker you're everything we hate in the world" upon learning that. Up there with the time Springsteen snubbed Chris Christie. He said, specifically, "he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against" Try to get around the paywall to read that, it's great
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Madkal posted:He was the first House Speaker who loved Rage Against the Machine (or at least admitted to it publicly). Did... he not ever listen to the lyrics? Also ignorant Canadian here. They were showing some of the districts that were in contention on TV up here and one of them looked like the outline of a unicorn fighting (or possibly loving) a dinosaur. Are all of your voting regions so oddly carved out or is it just a handful of really weird ones? Are they the most obvious examples of gerrymandering?
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Furnaceface posted:Did... he not ever listen to the lyrics? Almost every state that has more than 6 CD's are going to have bizarrely-shaped districts that are drawn the way they are drawn specifically because one party is attempting to gently caress the other party out of a seat that they should probably have a chance at winning. (Take a look at Chicago for some great examples of the Dems aggressively screwing the GOP.) Except in New York! All of their districts are very clean with neat borders!
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Kenlon posted:Then why, on God's green and fuzzy Earth, is it so hard to understand that if Congress writes a law that depends on the same constitutional basis as Obergfell, it provides no benefit, because it stands or falls with the constutional underpinnings in that decision? Having the Respect For Marriage Act use an entirely different basis (full faith and credit) is a good tactic to protect gay marriage in case we get Dobbsed again. "My marriage from Illinois is federally valid!" they scream while being arrested after the Court throws out Lawrence v. Texas and sodomy laws go back on the books in red states. There's no meaningful protection without FULL protection. Mustard Iceman fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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