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Has Prodigy just retconned things so even the TOS shuttles had some kind of warp drive? (I suppose they always technically did, since in 'The Menagerie' one chased after the Enterprise into interstellar space, but the show's bible made it clear they were meant to be sublight.)
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Payndz posted:Has Prodigy just retconned things so even the TOS shuttles had some kind of warp drive? (I suppose they always technically did, since in 'The Menagerie' one chased after the Enterprise into interstellar space, but the show's bible made it clear they were meant to be sublight.) I just assume that redshirt fell into any one of hundreds of random spatial anomalies that might fling you into the delta quadrant. Maybe it was an idiot caretaker trying to build up another race of sex slaves etc.
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Nov 18, 2022 17:19
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External Organs posted:I just assume that redshirt fell into any one of hundreds of random spatial anomalies that might fling you into the delta quadrant. Maybe it was an idiot caretaker trying to build up another race of sex slaves etc. Prodigy is also playing extremely fast and loose with where the show is taking place. We've gone from the Delta Quadrant to the Gamma Quadrant to back to the Delta Quadrant to the Beta Quadrant and now so far into the Beta Quadrant that we've hit the Romulan Neutral Zone all in about 6 episodes now.
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Nov 18, 2022 17:24
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nine-gear crow posted:Prodigy is also playing extremely fast and loose with where the show is taking place. We've gone from the Delta Quadrant to the Gamma Quadrant to back to the Delta Quadrant to the Beta Quadrant and now so far into the Beta Quadrant that we've hit the Romulan Neutral Zone all in about 6 episodes now. That's the proto drive in action. They started on the Delta-Beta border (that's where Tars Lemora is), jumped to the Gamma near the core, back to Tars Lemora, and in season 1B it's implied they must have proto jumped towards the outskirts of Federation space between 1x10 and 1x11 to attempt to rejoin Starfleet. But yeah they do also seem to be underestimating the size of the galaxy and overestimating the reach of the Federation a bit. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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Nov 18, 2022 17:27
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jeeves posted:Shuttles having warp has always been pretty dumb. Also never making the matte paintings or poo poo to really show off that the D was basically an aircraft carrier of shuttles with that main shuttle bay deck was also pretty much a missed opportunity. Not really. How many times have we had the plot of "Uh-oh! Somebody down there on the planet turned on their laptop while on an airplane. The interference is too much for the transporter to handle?" Meanwhile, the Federation capital ships look like their designed to function almost exclusively is space or maybe the upper atmosphere. Sometimes you do need a way to physically go to and from the surface of a planet in an actual vehicle.
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Nov 18, 2022 19:06
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Shuttles have warp because the show needed to be able to have people coming and going without bringing a whole extra warship full of crew into the plot. Star Trek doesn't like having more than two ships in an area at once. The Danube class is big enough to be the littlest starship, but it is going to be silly when a Giordi kidnap box is able to do anything. It also seems like with the sheer amount of crew onboard the ship, if they're willing to dole out shore leave and vacations to singular individuals at a time, there would probably be a swarm of shuttlecraft coming and going at any moment for all the people with their own engagements. Although there must be some complicated logistics of making sure to get back spare shuttles or people tracking the mothership's location to catch up to it.
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Nov 18, 2022 21:43
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Should have used the Captain’s Yacht.
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Nov 18, 2022 22:47
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BattleMaster posted:The people who hate replicated food or want to go off and make a colony on a contested planet are the future versions of people today who wonder if we really need modern medical technology or who go off to squat in the wilderness. Growing up with the comforts of modern society leaves them without an understanding of why we developed modern technology to begin with, to escape from dying from treatable illnesses or being one bad harvest away from famine. A bunch of Grizzly Man or Into the Wild stories written in the 24th century. "Our ancestors lived off the land which is why I hosed off to a new class M planet, devoid of ANY modern convivence and barely scouted by any modern galatic powers. Sure, no one really lives on Death McDeathball IX but I think we need to harken to a simpler time when we were one with nature."
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Nov 18, 2022 22:56
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Mooseontheloose posted:A bunch of Grizzly Man or Into the Wild stories written in the 24th century. Don't pan the holocam to the right, that's where the industrial replicator is
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Nov 18, 2022 23:23
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Don't pan the holocam to the right, that's where the industrial replicator is
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Nov 18, 2022 23:28
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Payndz posted:"We have the full back-to-the-wilderness experience with just primitive 23rd century tools!" [Beams to the local diner for a chicken sandwich and coffee from their food slot.] It's been years since i've watched it so this may be extreme rose-tinted glasses, but I remember the episode of Voyager where Janeway and Chakotay have to get left behind on a planet to live on their own for some reason being kind of neat for showing how the Starfleet equivalent of homesteading works.
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Arivia posted:It's been years since i've watched it so this may be extreme rose-tinted glasses, but I remember the episode of Voyager where Janeway and Chakotay have to get left behind on a planet to live on their own for some reason being kind of neat for showing how the Starfleet equivalent of homesteading works. The rest of it I don't really remember.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Don't pan the holocam to the right, that's where the industrial replicator is I imagine this guy took his trill girlfriend with him hitching various rides from former federation officers who offered advice on how to survive on backassward planet and there is small Ferengi trading post on this planet but this guy is like I don't need anyone.
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McSpanky posted:I must be the only person who thinks the cobra head on the stardrive section looks fine, cool even. Nah, I'm also fine with it, and wish we saw saucer-less Galaxies during the Dominion War MikeJF posted:later trek scaling that back and making the arrays smaller and dropping the charge going around the entire array and eventually just making it a simple beam that fires out with no preamble is the #1 piece of evidence they all had terrible taste. Absolutely agreed Also the sound effects kept getting worse over time; compare the photon torpedo launch sound effects from Encounter at Farpoint with basically anything post-TNG. MikeJF posted:The original plan with TNG was that the early stock footage would be able to comprise almost all of the effects, but as they got into the show that turned out to not be the case and they were needing new stuff continuously. They did also plan on adding to the stock footage library in between seasons, but yeah, that idea flopped basically immediately. I think Arsenal of Freedom was probably the one episode where, aside from shots of the drone ship itself, they managed to go all-stock with the Enterprise opticals on an action-heavy episode.
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Nov 19, 2022 01:57
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Kibayasu posted:Should have used the Captain’s Yacht.
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Nov 19, 2022 02:40
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Which episode had the Captains Yacht in it because I always thought that was fever dream of mine
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Nov 19, 2022 04:55
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It’s only ever been in Insurrection
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s only ever been in Insurrection And Lower Decks, though just an interior not operating as its own ship.
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External Organs posted:The Prometheus is three shuttles in a big raincoat. Good design.  "I went to Delta Quadrant today. I did a Starfleet."
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Nov 19, 2022 05:40
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Isn't the Prometheus the ship with the Andy Dick EMH?
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Kazy posted:Isn't the Prometheus the ship with the Andy Dick EMH? Hell yes it is
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Nov 19, 2022 06:04
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EMH Andy Dick getting his entire crew addicted to The Game
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MillennialVulcan posted:EMH Andy Dick getting his entire crew addicted to The Game
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nine-gear crow posted:EMH Andy Dick was retired very quickly after racking up an astounding number of sexual harassment complains for a hologram. He's now mining an asteroid, all by himself.
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Nov 19, 2022 07:17
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Or a holographic Jon Lovitz is mining the asteroid by smashing holographic Andy Dick's face into it repeatedly
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CPColin posted:Or a holographic Jon Lovitz is mining the asteroid by smashing holographic Andy Dick's face into it repeatedly I'd watch at least a couple of seasons...
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CPColin posted:Or a holographic Jon Lovitz is mining the asteroid by smashing holographic Andy Dick's face into it repeatedly EMCH (emergency movie critic hologram) every time Andy Dick's face is smashed: "It stinks!"
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Wee Bairns posted:I'd watch at least a couple of seasons...
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nine-gear crow posted:EMH Andy Dick was retired very quickly after racking up an astounding number of sexual harassment complains for a hologram. I mean usually the EMH gets about 2 per year.
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bennyfactor posted:EMCH (emergency movie critic hologram) every time Andy Dick's face is smashed: "It stinks!" someone did a gif years ago of that, sans the hologram part
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goddamn it. i just watched "A Matter Of Time" for the first time and that would have been an excellent episode except for the obvious twist in the last four minutes completely ruining it. i am actually kinda mad about it. and you can't do it again, straight, because you'd just be doing the entire episode up to the ethics argument between picard and rasmussen the exact same way.
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Arivia posted:goddamn it. i just watched "A Matter Of Time" for the first time and that would have been an excellent episode except for the obvious twist in the last four minutes completely ruining it. i am actually kinda mad about it. I get what you mean but a time traveler deliberately introducing themselves and then going 'oof yikes, interesting but not what I'd have done  ' for the entire encounter isn't that interesting a dilemma imo, a responsible person in his position would just never make other people aware of their knowledge at all to begin with
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No Dignity posted:I get what you mean but a time traveler deliberately introducing themselves and then going 'oof yikes, interesting but not what I'd have done right, which is why in the argument when picard goes "doesn't YOUR equivalent of the prime directive have an out to make sure I can save millions of lives" it would work as a dramatic point to the episode (with rasmussen telling him how he saved the day). also apparently berman wrote it thinking of the old sci-fi plot of like genghis khan having modern weaponry and how that would work, and there's literally none of that in the episode. it's maybe the story of how a 22nd century genghis would have gotten modern weapons. the idea is done much better by that enterprise episode with the aliens helping the nazis win ww2! so the awesomeness that this tng could have been was wasted on fuckin nothing! THANKS BERMAN YOU poo poo
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idk I loved that episode
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I'm all for making GBS threads on Berman now but I feel like blaming him for 'I didn't get a totally different episode that I imagined in my head' is pushing it somewhat even for him.
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I liked that Rasmussen got screwed in the end because he was a real jerk
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Welcome to the 24th century. 
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CPColin posted:(some enlisted crewman in a Jeffries tube on deck 41 winks out of existence and nobody notices) So that's one reason the only enlisted crewman is O'Brien.
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It’s Remember Me, but only with enlisted.
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