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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed. |
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| Shohei Ohtani |
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15 | 17.86% |
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zoux posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1601346974325751808 That's less than the AAV he's getting with the Yanks
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Dec 10, 2022 02:37
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Yeah, I guess I was shocked by the years. That would tie tatis I guess the effect of these massively long deals is that the luxury tax is working to put big time stars on long term contracts with the same team so you get continuity and get away from the rooting-for-laundry thing that used to happen. But it's such a departure from the way teams have been doing business. There are 7 players that are on double digit year deals - Cole and Judge have 9 - and outside of Stanton they were all signed in the last 4 years. zoux fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 02:45
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the other thing to is that if you assume he's getting an AAV of 10 million less per year, the value of that "lost" money at the start of the contract is higher than it will be when he starts making it up at the end so the yankee deal might still be worth more anyway.
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Dec 10, 2022 02:54
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mcmagic posted:There are like 2 posters on this site that i hate. The rest are fine. Including folks who aren't the biggest fans of mine. We're friends right mcmagic?
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Dec 10, 2022 02:55
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maffew buildings posted:the ignore button is for cowards you must read every post and let the hate fill you Honestly I'm far more likely to read a post if I have someone on ignore out of sheer curiosity
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Dec 10, 2022 03:13
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Kirios posted:We're friends right mcmagic? i wouldn't go that far
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Dec 10, 2022 03:24
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Intruder posted:Honestly I'm far more likely to read a post if I have someone on ignore out of sheer curiosity Same, it’s infuriating
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Dec 10, 2022 03:55
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IcePhoenix posted:the other thing to is that if you assume he's getting an AAV of 10 million less per year, the value of that "lost" money at the start of the contract is higher than it will be when he starts making it up at the end so the yankee deal might still be worth more anyway. There's no way that deal wasn't front loaded to at least match the Yankees first 9 years. It would probably have a bunch of 10 million dollar years tacked on at the end where they'd just release judge and have it on the books for later as a cost of doing business.
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Dec 10, 2022 04:05
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:There's no way that deal wasn't front loaded to at least match the Yankees first 9 years. It would probably have a bunch of 10 million dollar years tacked on at the end where they'd just release judge and have it on the books for later as a cost of doing business. I dunno, this part makes me think that's probably not likely xbilkis posted:(That article also says the hypothetical Padres contract probably would have been rejected by the league for luxury tax circumvention, which is surprising to me given how lax sports leagues usually are about stuff like that)
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Dec 10, 2022 04:21
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Milovan Drecun posted:I like what some other poster said about using ignore as a gentle reminder not to engage with some people, not necessarily to truly ignore them. Yep. It’s a self control device for me. When I can’t trust myself not to bite at the bait or respond to the bad faith I get some help from ignore.
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Dec 10, 2022 04:21
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IcePhoenix posted:I dunno, this part makes me think that's probably not likely Ya they tacked on extra years at a low salary to lower the AAV. It's the same stuff NHL teams did when the cap was first introduced. Player collects the same money they would have regardless, team gets a lower aav to avoid the upper cap limit.
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Dec 10, 2022 04:30
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It also just kind of sounds like something San Diego desperately threw out there to get back into the conversation after they were already out.
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Dec 10, 2022 04:38
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Ya they tacked on extra years at a low salary to lower the AAV. It's the same stuff NHL teams did when the cap was first introduced. Player collects the same money they would have regardless, team gets a lower aav to avoid the upper cap limit. You know I thought the tax was just based on current year not AAV but I went and looked it up and well there it is.
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Dec 10, 2022 05:34
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It's basically what D-AS is already saying, but total value is much more important than AAV when talking about any deal covering a player's age 39+ seasons. The list of competent hitters in that age range shrinks in half every year until there's basically nobody left. It's almost inconceivable that Judge would command $40 million plus as a FA in 9 years, even considering inflation. If your goal is to maximize career earnings, you take that $400 million and don't give a gently caress about the AAV.
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Dec 10, 2022 05:36
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Milovan Drecun posted:It's basically what D-AS is already saying, but total value is much more important than AAV when talking about any deal covering a player's age 39+ seasons. The list of competent hitters in that age range shrinks in half every year until there's basically nobody left. It's almost inconceivable that Judge would command $40 million plus as a FA in 9 years, even considering inflation. If your goal is to maximize career earnings, you take that $400 million and don't give a gently caress about the AAV. The value of a dollar 12 years ago is worth about $1.37 today. If the deal isn't frontloaded and is actually evenly spread out you're giving away money by "deferring" it for later years unless you're outpacing that growth. It's why you keep seeing teams do actual deferred money contracts that seem like overpays and then give everyone a laugh on Bobby Bonilla day. That doesn't even factor in what you could technically do with the money via investments or whatever, either.
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Dec 10, 2022 05:44
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IcePhoenix posted:The value of a dollar 12 years ago is worth about $1.37 today. If the deal isn't frontloaded and is actually evenly spread out you're giving away money by "deferring" it for later years unless you're outpacing that growth. It's why you keep seeing teams do actual deferred money contracts that seem like overpays and then give everyone a laugh on Bobby Bonilla day. Sorry, you're entirely right it matters how it would be structured. The original comment didn't distinguish this, and only talked about AAV, so I guess I was also assuming that the first 9 years would be structured the same as the Yankees deal. But perhaps I misunderstood what the original poster was saying.
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Dec 10, 2022 05:55
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STAC Goat posted:Yep. It’s a self control device for me. When I can’t trust myself not to bite at the bait or respond to the bad faith I get some help from ignore. I've personally never used the ignore feature here (not my cup of tea), but based upon our conversations I could see it being a healthy long term thing for you to do if you wanna stick around.
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Dec 10, 2022 07:55
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I just don't see the massive need for offense. More's always better but they have a legit looking lineup going into this season. They had an opportunity to improve 4-5 wins hitting wise this offseason and they did not. Huge holes at positions where this FA class was deep. It's unconscionable. Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 10:20
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Its Rinaldo posted:It's unconscionable. Lol
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Dec 10, 2022 13:00
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Its Rinaldo posted:They had an opportunity to improve 4-5 wins hitting wise this offseason and they did not. Huge holes at positions where this FA class was deep. It's unconscionable. Unless you think they were going to move Ty off starting 1B or that they could have beat the Padres for Boegarts I don't think this is really true. The Nimmo deal looks bad but maybe they could have been in on that? Not signing Quintana for around what the Mets did is a much bigger deal IMO.
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Dec 10, 2022 15:43
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should trade Adell for Kelenic, just to see what happens
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Dec 10, 2022 16:30
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why would dipoto sign free agents when he could do TRADES
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Dec 10, 2022 17:22
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I'm a few pages behind and getting caught up, but I mostly just lurk this thread these days because I have three really young kids now that I'm trying to teach to not be Cubs fans, but pretty much everyone here and in SAS is cool and awesome and it's probably the best part of SA IMO, so no-one should leave due to the occasional Bad Post (and I say this as a long-time Bad Poster).
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Dec 10, 2022 17:47
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SourKraut posted:I'm a few pages behind and getting caught up, but I mostly just lurk this thread these days because I have three really young kids now that I'm trying to teach to not be Cubs fans, but pretty much everyone here and in SAS is cool and awesome and it's probably the best part of SA IMO, so no-one should leave due to the occasional Bad Post (and I say this as a long-time Bad Poster). Yeah! Out of curiosity, is there another team you're trying to get them to be fans of instead or no?
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Dec 10, 2022 19:04
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Met Marlins Man today wearing his Marlins Man custom jersey. He should post here imo
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Dec 10, 2022 19:13
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Sab0921 posted:Met Marlins Man today wearing his Marlins Man custom jersey. Unconscionable.
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Dec 10, 2022 19:15
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Sab0921 posted:Met Marlins Man today wearing his Marlins Man custom jersey.
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Dec 10, 2022 19:17
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Unless you think they were going to move Ty off starting 1B or that they could have beat the Padres for Boegarts I don't think this is really true. Meant more middle infield, though not replacing even Theoretically Healthy Mitch Haniger also bad. Sports are serious bidness 
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Dec 10, 2022 19:33
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Its Rinaldo posted:Meant more middle infield, though not replacing even Theoretically Healthy Mitch Haniger also bad. Hernandez has been a better bat than Haniger since 2018 and 2018 Mitch Haniger doesn't exist. He's the replacement. Wong/Moore is a pretty big upgrade over Frazier, if the platoon works out. If it doesn't Wong all on his own is probably still an upgrade, but not a big one. They still need a LFer or two to provide cover for Kelenic making GBS threads his pants and they really should find another starter to displace Marco but adding Wong/Hernandez and moving on from Winker/Haniger/Frazier is a pretty big positive move.
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Dec 10, 2022 20:06
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Hernandez is Winker's replacement, not Mitch. Kelenic is Mittens replacement. And while Wong is a improvement over Frazier, it's getting a Toyota Camery when you can afford a Lexus. When you become a Good Team, improvements to your team cost more and if you have an opportunity to upgrade significantly at a position without having to displace a current contracted player you can't cheap out on it. They already spent a lot from their farm to upgrade pitching, and they don't have any significant minor leaguers ready to graduate now that Julio is up and Kelenic's star has dimmed. Spending on free agency was the best way to upgrade offense and it's been a wet fart. They're gonna bargain bin gamble on Benintendi or Conforto and hope the giant red flags they have aren't serious Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 20:21
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Its Rinaldo posted:Hernandez is Winker's replacement, not Mitch. Kelenic is Mittens replacement. And while Wong is a improvement over Frazier, it's getting a Toyota Camery when you can afford a Lexus. When you become a Good Team, improvements to your team cost more and if you have an opportunity to upgrade significantly at a position without having to displace a current contracted player you can't cheap out on it. They already spent a lot from their farm to upgrade pitching, and they don't have any significant minor leaguers ready to graduate now that Julio is up and Kelenic's star has dimmed. Spending on free agency was the best way to upgrade offense and it's been a wet fart. I disagree on a lot of this tbh. Winker's replacement is Kelenic, if you go by where they play. Winker wouldn't be in the field this year if he was on the team though so the real Winker replacement is whoever your DH is, and that's going to be the rotating cast of Geno/Julio/Teo/Ty/etc. Losing Mitch is a positive even if you don't sign anyone because now the team can't back itself into a corner waiting on healthy Hangier to come riding in and save everyone. Hernandez is meaningfully better, and is probably a slightly better fielder now too. If they sign like, Wil Myers and grab AJ Pollack and get Marco out of the rotation then the team is a significantly better spot heading into 2023 than they were at the end of 2022. Probably in the 95-96 win talent range and within a good shot of the division. The 2022 Mariners were a 106 OPS+ team and the Astros were a 111. They replaced 2.5 months of Mitch and 3.5 months of ??? with Teoscar Hernandez and they replaced Adam Frazier with the Wong/Moore platoon. Both of those represent big positive moves over a full season. Penisaurus Sex fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 20:25
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The Blue Jays signed Kevin Kiermaier but I haven't seen any terms released
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Dec 10, 2022 20:40
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Blue Jays signed Kevin Kiermaier but I haven't seen any terms released probably cheaper than the other all-glove no-bat outfielder who was just signed
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Dec 10, 2022 20:42
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When you can trade your silver slugger and replace him with no bat all glove outifelder coming off of hip surgery, you gotta do it
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Dec 10, 2022 20:43
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https://twitter.com/SFGate/status/1601339922467942400
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Dec 10, 2022 20:57
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Blue Jays signed Kevin Kiermaier but I haven't seen any terms released This is much more exciting if he's a Bradley Zimmer replacement.
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Dec 10, 2022 20:58
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This and the whole ball construction saga really needs to pick up some steam.
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Dec 10, 2022 21:02
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bawfuls posted:This and the whole ball construction saga really needs to pick up some steam. I am extremely here for the yankees even more massively overpaying judge when MLB was juicing yankees baseballs specifically to inflate his stats, getting busted for it, then crashing them down to normal.
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Dec 10, 2022 21:14
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I always expected Kevin Kiermaier to be a little lean given his lack of in game power. Then I saw him in AAA at a rehab game and that dude looked like a beast next to the prospects and the AAAA players on the roster.
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Dec 10, 2022 21:26
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The problem is they dropped that story in the middle of winter meetings right before all the air got sucked out of the room by Arson Judge. Not even the real trade, a fake one
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Dec 10, 2022 22:02
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