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hatty posted:I just wanted Age of Calamity to end with an endless gauntlet against Guardians and the objective just said "Survive!" is that too much to ask for? Set this at the gate of Fort Hateno, that's what I said from the start.
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BotW's backstory isn't that complex, you see everything that's be relevant to a musou beyond more random monster attacks in BotW itself, so a prequel played straight would've been very boring.
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SlothfulCobra posted:They also do it for Metroid. Which Metroid? Motto posted:BotW's backstory isn't that complex, you see everything that's be relevant to a musou beyond more random monster attacks in BotW itself, so a prequel played straight would've been very boring. AoC's story wasn't anything better. A prequel played straight is what everyone expected when they heard "BOTW prequel." BOTW's story is already dull enough as it is, some backstory would have fleshed out the world and could have made it interesting.
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Jan 14, 2023 22:18
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hatty posted:I just wanted Age of Calamity to end with an endless gauntlet against Guardians and the objective just said "Survive!" is that too much to ask for? Winifred Madgers posted:Set this at the gate of Fort Hateno, that's what I said from the start. This is more or less where I'm at. I'm fine with how the story shook out, but missing out on what a cool gameplay setpiece this would have been is still a huge bummer.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Tbf it was heavily advertised as being an actual prequel, the alt timeline reveal was one hell of a bait and switch and I genuinely wish they hadn’t done that. I wanted to see the Champions die, dammit! The reason for AoC's plot divergences is because nobody at KT could fathom depicting losing to one of BotW's lame bosses.
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Cattail Prophet posted:This is more or less where I'm at. I'm fine with how the story shook out, but missing out on what a cool gameplay setpiece this would have been is still a huge bummer. It’d be the perfect ending/segue into BOTW too, once you’re overwhelmed just copy-paste the BOTW cutscene where Link is mortally wounded and the one where Zelda puts the Master Sword in its pedestal and bam, you’re right where BOTW starts
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Cattail Prophet posted:This is more or less where I'm at. I'm fine with how the story shook out, but missing out on what a cool gameplay setpiece this would have been is still a huge bummer. It would have been a great rug pull to play the entire game only to seemingly end like this, and then pull the four future champions back in time and replay at least the last few missions as sort of a NG+. But then you wouldn't have those characters for half the game, only the last little bit, so that would have messed up the amount of time you get to spend with them too.
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Jan 15, 2023 01:15
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sigher posted:Which Metroid? You can sum up BOTW's backstory as "One day Ganon appeared and destroyed Hyrule" that's it, things were near utopian until G-Day. I'm fine with alt-history and time meddling, its not like this is a new concept for the franchise after all.
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Jan 15, 2023 15:26
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My assumption with the new game is that you’ll play parts of the game as link from botw and toga link is from the past and will be the one responsible for locking Ganondorf underneath the castle with the glowy gauntlet. Guessing there will be a mechanic where you do a flashback at certain locations to inhabit zonai yoga link like the memories from BOTW but with actual gameplay segments.
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Jan 15, 2023 17:51
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A sort of attachment to a prior era, if you will
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Jan 15, 2023 17:56
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Link, you must go through Time, far to the Past, before the Twilight of Hyrule. In order to complete this Adventure, you must look Skyward and ride the Wind. Do not Mask your fears, for the Oracles can help you with this Awakening. No Phantom or Spirit cannot stop you. Four Swords for our Heroes. Take a deep Breath and don't cry any Tears. Minish Cap.
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Judge Tesla posted:You can sum up BOTW's backstory as "One day Ganon appeared and destroyed Hyrule" that's it, things were near utopian until G-Day. I think you might be mixing up the pre-backstory backstory (10,000 years ago, the tale told via the tapestry) and the more immediate backstory, which is far more interesting and ripe for expanding upon in short, the kingdom knew that Ganon was returning, but they were completely unprepared. They no longer had any knowledge of the technology that once saved them (because they exiled the sheikah for fear of their power), and the queen died unexpectedly before she could pass down her teachings to Zelda, so in desperation they tried to mimic that exact steps that saved their ancestors by any means necessary The result was unearthing ancient tech they had no idea how to control (and was turned against them) and Zelda's doomed pilgrimage honestly the prequel should have 100% been about Zelda, BOTW laid so much interesting foundation there to explore: the sudden death of her mother, the awful relationship with her dad, how her own subjects viewed her as a failure, her strained relationship with Link, being devoted to technology over divine magic, etc.
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Zelda more or less is the protagonist of Age of Calamity, to be fair. It sure wasn't Link giving big speeches or uniting the peoples of Hyrule
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Jan 15, 2023 21:48
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WarpDogs posted:BOTW laid so much interesting foundation there to explore Miyamoto heard they put cool story into the game and threatened to unleash his full powers on the poor staff.
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WarpDogs posted:I think you might be mixing up the pre-backstory backstory (10,000 years ago, the tale told via the tapestry) and the more immediate backstory, which is far more interesting and ripe for expanding upon No, I wasn't mixing things up because none of this would translate to good gameplay, it would infact be the world's largest escort quest with Link just trailing after Zelda and defending her from monsters.
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sigher posted:Which Metroid? When you tell me that this part of the story doesn't matter, I believe you. So, congratulations, you jerks. 
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WarpDogs posted:I think you might be mixing up the pre-backstory backstory (10,000 years ago, the tale told via the tapestry) and the more immediate backstory, which is far more interesting and ripe for expanding upon Part of the problem was the rituals were prepared for Classic Magic Princess Zelda, and instead we got Modern No-Nonsense Scientist Zelda, who'd rather break the puzzles and do everything herself and didn't truly capital-B Believe like she needed to until things went sideways at the last minute. (And to be clear was not a fault of her existing in-principle, Proactive Scientist Zelda should by all rights get a prominent and active role in the new game instead of getting held capitive or whatever a second time.)
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Bokoblings yawn during the day if you woke them up during the night. https://twitter.com/Switch_movie_SS/status/1614557135706402817?t=AJ5WYMBqsgOps20q6feJ9A&s=19 Its 2023 man. Lol. Lmao.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:(And to be clear was not a fault of her existing in-principle, Proactive Scientist Zelda should by all rights get a prominent and active role in the new game instead of getting held capitive or whatever a second time.) The announcement trailer having both of them exploring the cave together certainly gives me hope that this will be the case
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Proactive Scientist Zelda should by all rights get a prominent and active role in the new game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U__iIXLZHg
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The Maroon Hawk posted:The announcement trailer having both of them exploring the cave together certainly gives me hope that this will be the case
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There was a Zelda game where you could play as Zelda, but it doesn't seem like it made a positive impression on most people. I kinda want a Zelda game where society actually has regular usage of some of this ancient tech that's everywhere. sigher posted:Which Metroid? I guess spoilers even though the games are pretty old and light on plot in general: In Metroid 2, the final part of the game is barren of life because metroids have wiped out everything else, and after Samus killed the Queen Metroid, there would be no life left. Except for the one last baby metroid that Samus hesitated to kill. In Super Metroid the baby is kidnapped and at the end it has to sacrifice itself to save Samus, and she has to blow up the entire planet to deal with the space pirates and metroid clones. Everybody is dead. Although Samus can save some animals on the way out. The animals by some fan theory were actually X parasites in disguise, so saving them is the catalyst for Metroid Fusion where the Federation's research facility is infested by the X. Everybody on the station except for Samus dies, and Samus blows up the station to get rid of the Federation's secret metroid cloning facility and also she blows up the nearby planet to make sure to get rid of the X. In Metroid Dread, Samus is lured out to another planet, finds a couple living Chozo who had managed to survive the race's extinction, but one was trying to bioengineer an army of evil and ended up killing off the rest of his little enclave of Chozo in the process by unleashing another stockpile of X parasites. Samus has to kill off any Chozo who had been infected by the X and blow up another planet for the sake of getting rid of that X infestation, destroying all the Chozo ruins as well. This time with a little extra reminder that Samus's current part-Metroid nature means that she is a monster and could potentially lose control and be a threat to the galaxy. It's a pretty dark series when you pay attention to the plot. I guess that's why she feels the need to lighten the mood at the end by showing off how she's a sexy lady.
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Note, also, Metroid Prime 3, in which 3 neat characters who are Samus' friends and rivals are introduced and then they all die.
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Amppelix posted:the very next trailer showing zelda falling into a hole in the same cave and reaching for link does not fill me with confidence, however Right, forgot about that lmao Unless the arm being grabbed in like three frames of the announcement trailer is also Zelda’s and she’s prevented from actually falling in
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yeah, the most simple answer is that Zelda is once again in peril and out of the picture, and at best she'll maybe become a part of the game around the middle instead of the very end But it's interesting that we've seen both directly-after-BOTW Link and wildman Link with long hair and more tribal looking clothes. They get nearly equal screen time in the trailers, yet with the latter they've gone out of their way to hide their face and other details, implying that there's a twist there. and there's the running motif of time travel, or at least time working backwards so maybe there's some sort of perspective switching, or something else in that vein, and in that sort of game an involved Zelda feels more likely. she'd be the pivot that the other perspectives or Links or whatever revolve around
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Right, forgot about that lmao plot twist; Zelda brutally ripped off Link's arm trying to grab him and that's why he got it replaced with some kind of malice fueled robot arm
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You play as Ganondorf, mark my words
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Nintendo seems to consider it fundamental that Link is defined by being the playable character, so they always write a scenario that requires a bunch of legwork for him and him alone to do. I'm not sure the reason, but I don't think they're inclined to break with that trend for a mainline game. However, the last time they wrote a Zelda who didn't demonstrate any agency or initiative was the disappointing-for-that-and-many-other-reasons Phantom Hourglass. Breath of the Wild's story was told in flashbacks, and Zelda is the main character of that story. Even if she's not involved in the action in Tears of the Kingdom, I doubt they will simply write her out.
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Bongo Bill posted:Nintendo seems to consider it fundamental that Link is defined by being the playable character, so they always write a scenario that requires a bunch of legwork for him and him alone to do. I'm not sure the reason, but I don't think they're inclined to break with that trend for a mainline game. However, the last time they wrote a Zelda who didn't demonstrate any agency or initiative was the disappointing-for-that-and-many-other-reasons Phantom Hourglass. Breath of the Wild's story was told in flashbacks, and Zelda is the main character of that story. Even if she's not involved in the action in Tears of the Kingdom, I doubt they will simply write her out. The story for Nintendo's two biggest franchises, since their inception over 30 years ago, basically boils down to "dude rescues princess." It's kinda impressive in a way that in that whole time, barring spin-off titles, that they never had the idea of "what if the princess doesn't need to be rescued in this one?"
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Mylan posted:The story for Nintendo's two biggest franchises, since their inception over 30 years ago, basically boils down to "dude rescues princess." It's kinda impressive in a way that in that whole time, barring spin-off titles, that they never had the idea of "what if the princess doesn't need to be rescued in this one?" Spirit Tracks played with this in a way, the villains only wanted Zelda's body so you got to hang out with her unhappy spirit the whole game.
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It’s why Majora’s Mask and Link’s Awakening have the best stories. They break the mold a bit
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Doesn't Zelda beef it midway through Twilight Princess?
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I wish they’d made more mention of exactly how Zelda managed to keep Ganon contained in hyrule castle for a whole century. That’s a gigantic task, and worthy of something more than what we got. Also the whole ageless thing, but that can just be part of whatever insane magic she channeled 
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Mylan posted:The story for Nintendo's two biggest franchises, since their inception over 30 years ago, basically boils down to "dude rescues princess." It's kinda impressive in a way that in that whole time, barring spin-off titles, that they never had the idea of "what if the princess doesn't need to be rescued in this one?" I appreciated that in Odyssey after you rescue Peach she spends the entire rest of the game going on vacation all over the world.
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External Organs posted:Doesn't Zelda beef it midway through Twilight Princess? No, she sacrifices the magic that she's been using to keep her corporeal form in the Dark World to Midna.
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Icon Of Sin posted:I wish they’d made more mention of exactly how Zelda managed to keep Ganon contained in hyrule castle for a whole century. That’s a gigantic task, and worthy of something more than what we got. A classic case of two incredibly powerful forces locked in a stalemate until one of them starts to weaken.
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Icon Of Sin posted:I wish they’d made more mention of exactly how Zelda managed to keep Ganon contained in hyrule castle for a whole century. That’s a gigantic task, and worthy of something more than what we got. Pretty sure she was able to cast a stasis spell on Calamity, which caught her (and a good chunk of Hyrule Castle) in it as well. The Malice leaking out of the castle was probably the spell weakening.
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Mylan posted:The story for Nintendo's two biggest franchises, since their inception over 30 years ago, basically boils down to "dude rescues princess." It's kinda impressive in a way that in that whole time, barring spin-off titles, that they never had the idea of "what if the princess doesn't need to be rescued in this one?" They did make a DS game where Peach saves Mario and Luigi once: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Princess_Peach Never played it and not going to go into Peach's powers are "Being Emotional"
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I guess it also depends on what you mean by mainline? Doki Doki Mario features Peach as part of the playable crew, ditto Super Mario 3D world.
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