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Saladman posted:A friend of mine is from Gaziantep, although her immediate family all now lives in Istanbul. She replied just now that all her extended family is safe but that they are unable to get out of the city and get to Istanbul, and that everyone is trying to leave and there's no reliable transportation out. Same deal with my extended in laws there there's also no heat, gas, etc; I imagine little gasoline as well.
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This is an interesting article on an ag news website highlighting some of the rural impacts on people and how it is affecting agricultural production, which is something to consider seriously when basic foodstuffs accounted for the largest price increase last year. Earthquake caused devastation in rural areas - 08 February 2023 deepl posted:. . .
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# ? Feb 9, 2023 00:09 |
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https://twitter.com/70sbachchan/status/1623339885246521344?s=46&t=UzLh695V-rEScRCq3ndvZQ Decent thread on how government/commercial mismanagement helped make the earthquake that much deadlier.
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# ? Feb 10, 2023 14:55 |
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/70sbachchan/status/1623339885246521344?s=46&t=UzLh695V-rEScRCq3ndvZQ Is this guy credible?
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 12:54 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this guy credible? The professor is; that guy and the Economist maybe not idk. Here's his account https://twitter.com/ovgunaercan/status/1625510528758980612 mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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One guesstimate I heard was in the 80 thousand dead ballpark. But it's already at a scale of human suffering that one can't really comprehend, so it might as well be over twice that because I can't fathom it.
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 17:29 |
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In a sane world I can't see how Erdogan and his cronies could survive this without getting indicted for causing the deaths through their corruption... But this isn't a sane reality.
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steinrokkan posted:In a sane world I can't see how Erdogan and his cronies could survive this without getting indicted for causing the deaths through their corruption... But this isn't a sane reality. If all parties have been doing it where they have power nobody has an edge om him. Unless that small city in Hatay that had no buildings collapse somehow has a mayor with massive charisma and funding.
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 20:05 |
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I saw some reports about how contractors were getting arrested, one being ambushed at an airport even. Couldnt he just say look Im arresting the people who did this?
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 20:09 |
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The wonderful thing about everyone being corrupt is the person in charge can easily make examples of anyone, including political opponents because they probably ARE corrupt and involved in some manner to the issue at hand.
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 20:42 |
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There's a telegram message I saw saying that one city survived fully intact because a mayor was enforcing construction laws on all buildings and development companies. Waiting to see it in a reliable source but kudos to that guy if true
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 20:49 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I saw some reports about how contractors were getting arrested, one being ambushed at an airport even. Here's a NYT story covering that a tiny bit: As Anger Swells Over Quake, Turkey Detains Building Contractors quote:## As the death toll in Turkey and Syria passed 28,000, Ankara was coming under growing criticism for its slow response and tolerance of shoddy construction. That's the salient point to your post but I haven't the heart to delete the rest: quote:Residents said rescue crews and aid were initially slow to arrive after Mondays powerful earthquake, which has also killed nearly 4,000 people in neighboring Syria. The crews now pack the main roadway.
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# ? Feb 14, 2023 20:51 |
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ChaseSP posted:The wonderful thing about everyone being corrupt is the person in charge can easily make examples of anyone, including political opponents because they probably ARE corrupt and involved in some manner to the issue at hand. dictatorships, monarchies, etc are all fantastic until they are not
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steinrokkan posted:In a sane world I can't see how Erdogan and his cronies could survive this without getting indicted for causing the deaths through their corruption... But this isn't a sane reality. I don't think it is sane reality you're talking about, it mostly sounds naive, no offence intended. I haven't read about it but I'd think Erdogan and his cronies would get money for it but only after it has been laundered as political donations or what have you. Typically building codes are things enforced (or not) on a municipal level so I'd think that's where the lions share of the blame lies. That Erdogan could have cracked down on the corruption or indeed has benefited from it is still pretty abstract compared to a disaster of this magnitude. I wouldn't think it would hurt him much, in the end. Natural disasters tend to pull countries together more than separate them. That being said Turkey is probably having elections within a few months. If the date gets pushed back because of the quake I'd think that'd be a sign Erdogan feels vulnerable over the fallout.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 00:34 |
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Count Roland posted:I don't think it is sane reality you're talking about, it mostly sounds naive, no offence intended. I haven't read about it but I'd think Erdogan and his cronies would get money for it but only after it has been laundered as political donations or what have you. Typically building codes are things enforced (or not) on a municipal level so I'd think that's where the lions share of the blame lies. That Erdogan could have cracked down on the corruption or indeed has benefited from it is still pretty abstract compared to a disaster of this magnitude. I wouldn't think it would hurt him much, in the end. Natural disasters tend to pull countries together more than separate them. It seems like Erdo personally was promoting the policy of relaxing building standards though so he could claim he solved housing: quote:Erdoğan is seen in the videos speaking on the campaign trail in 2019, boasting of having removed building standards-related headaches for hundreds of thousands of citizens with his amnesty policy.
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mobby_6kl posted:It seems like Erdo personally was promoting the policy of relaxing building standards though so he could claim he solved housing: Yeah that is gonna bite him in the rear end, especially in that region.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this guy credible? The official death toll has risen to 50000 (UN estimate) by now, so even if not, it's certainly one terrifyingly bad earthquake.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 12:46 |
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Zudgemud posted:Yeah that is gonna bite him in the rear end, especially in that region. But seriously I don't follow Turkish politics closely but if it's anything like the other wannabe strongman states, he might be able to just throw some lower ranking cronies under the bus and make a big show of fixing everything. Libluini posted:The official death toll has risen to 50000 (UN estimate) by now, so even if not, it's certainly one terrifyingly bad earthquake.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 15:35 |
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Libluini posted:The official death toll has risen to 50000 (UN estimate) by now, so even if not, it's certainly one terrifyingly bad earthquake. It's currently the fifth most deadly earthquake this century. Hopefully it will stay that way because the death toll would have to almost double to overtake the fourth most deadly quake.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 15:50 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's currently the fifth most deadly earthquake this century. Hopefully it will stay that way because the death toll would have to almost double to overtake the fourth most deadly quake. That's incredible, really.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 17:44 |
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mobby_6kl posted:It seems like Erdo personally was promoting the policy of relaxing building standards though so he could claim he solved housing: Lol, well yes he certainly put himself in didn't he. Electric Wrigglies posted:That's incredible, really. There's a great many bodies under mountains of rubble which don't even have machines digging at them yet. I don't know where the number will go in the end but it will be higher than today, unfortunately.
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 17:53 |
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mobby_6kl posted:It seems like Erdo personally was promoting the policy of relaxing building standards though so he could claim he solved housing: I admit I don't know anything about how politics in Türkiye works or how strong Erdoğan's grip is but in other dictatorships wouldn't the dear leader just play word olympics and find a way to say "I didn't mean it like that and it's these underling's fault so they're gonna get proverbially hung"? Sidenote, can the ü in Türkiye be transliterated as ue like it is in German?
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 18:05 |
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Zudgemud posted:Yeah that is gonna bite him in the rear end, especially in that region. The ones most directly affected won't be voting, unfortunately... Zoning Peace is a wonderful euphemism, though
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# ? Feb 15, 2023 18:37 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:Sidenote, can the ü in Türkiye be transliterated as ue like it is in German? e: https://twitter.com/USAmbKabul/status/1625808160614240258 Zedhe Khoja fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Zedhe Khoja posted:@USAmbKabul (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
Deleted, enjoy this one that's even better: https://twitter.com/USAmbKabul/status/1620783222572605440?t=AAf_gHaJ34bpJTSzbEddBA&s=19
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# ? Feb 16, 2023 16:57 |
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why is she asking me? I guess she really does need the advice
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# ? Feb 16, 2023 17:48 |
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Is this person like, an actual person appointed to treat with Afghanistan/advise on policy?
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# ? Feb 16, 2023 18:10 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Is this person like, an actual person appointed to treat with Afghanistan/advise on policy? quote:char·gé d'af·faires idk, sounds like it could be either the replacement of an ambassador to just being the person in charge of the day to day operations her tweets are really bad though and should prolly have all been sent from her personal twitter account, not an official us government one Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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the chargé d'affaires is typically a senior diplomat on a station which for some reason either lacks an ambassador or who's the temporary replacement of the permanent ambassador. sometimes this is because the country in question doesn't have a formal embassy. for example, norway doesn't have a formal embassy in cuba for political reasons, so diplomatic relations are maintained through the embasy in, i believe, mexico - one of the diplomats there is appointed chargé d'affaires and acts as de-facto ambassador to cuba. other reasons can be that the ambassador is indisposed or in the process of being exchanged. i'm not sure how this interacts with the incredibly weird american system of doling out ambassadorships as political favours, but i can imagine that in countries where the official ambassador is some guy who gave the winning candidate for president a lot of money, the most senior career diplomat is appointed chargé d'affaires and actually conducts most of the serious business of the embassy while the ambassador is out cutting ribbons and attending cocktail parties or whatever this all seems to make those tweets even more inexplicable until you account for career diplomats often being genuinely insane, and for kabul at this moment being probably one of the least attractive postings for anyone in the entire US foreign service e; googling her it seems she took the post in 2022. she's probably some weirdo who saw a chance to revive a flagging career (or skip a step or two on the ladder) by taking a formally senior post that nobody else wanted and for which she's formally qualified. V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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V. Illych L. posted:e; googling her it seems she took the post in 2022. she's probably some weirdo who saw a chance to revive a flagging career (or skip a step or two on the ladder) by taking a formally senior post that nobody else wanted and for which she's formally qualified. yeah if i were a ladder-climber in the state department i feel like kabul would be worth my while in the long run if i didn't get kidnapped edit vvv but what if she's compelled to dress up as a crusader i say swears online fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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The US Embassy in Afghanistan [sic] has relocated to Doha, Qatar, so it's not quite as dangerous a posting as it would seem.
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# ? Feb 16, 2023 22:31 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The US Embassy in Afghanistan [sic] has relocated to Doha, Qatar, so it's not quite as dangerous a posting as it would seem. it's still an incredibly lovely post. the US has no functioning consular presence in afghanistan at all afaik, so her whole job is to listen to people to whom other people made promises which they then broke come and whine. occasionally, the taliban whines about the US freezing their central bank assets. just nothing but bad vibes and the occasional intelligence operation which she can't even know that much about.
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V. Illych L. posted:it's still an incredibly lovely post. the US has no functioning consular presence in afghanistan at all afaik, so her whole job is to listen to people to whom other people made promises which they then broke come and whine. occasionally, the taliban whines about the US freezing their central bank assets. just nothing but bad vibes and the occasional intelligence operation which she can't even know that much about. I don't know if it sounds like ladder climbing or where you'd just throw people who have failed up enough you need to give them some kind of prestige. Assuming it's her tweeting, well, I think that's probably the case.
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# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:17 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I don't know if it sounds like ladder climbing or where you'd just throw people who have failed up enough you need to give them some kind of prestige. Assuming it's her tweeting, well, I think that's probably the case. yeah this is also a possible explanation. the point remains, though, the cream of the state department crop is not going to the us embassy to afghanistan at the moment
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# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:26 |
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What does it cost to buy a lovely ambassadorship anyway
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# ? Feb 19, 2023 23:06 |
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slurm posted:What does it cost to buy a lovely ambassadorship anyway If it's anything like US politicians, shockingly little
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slurm posted:What does it cost to buy a lovely ambassadorship anyway I thought ambassadorships in the US were for nepo babies, failsons, and other similar types.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I thought ambassadorships in the US were for nepo babies, failsons, and other similar types. Mostly large campaign contributors and socialites. Ambassadors need to be able to throw good dinner parties, that's about their only job. Any real diplomatic stuff is handled by State Department personnel.
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Theres probably a sliding scale depending on the desirability of the posting. The ambassador in Rome or Paris is going to have a fun time, the ones in Luanda or Islamabad not so much.
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