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HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


sullat posted:

OK, but we really need to make our sales goals for this quarter, so don't worry about next quarter.

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
That's the thing. Whatever is bouncing around in their peabrains is stupid af. Even if they have dramatically more power than anyone else, they cannot become any stronger than they are, because they are literally destroying their military, their international position as the center of finance, and all the material production that would let them do poo poo anyway without that.

They may get to still be on top at home and get to grind people's faces in the mud, but they're gonna be more accountable by the foreign governments they have less leverage on each year, more precarious in their status, and generally just have to settle for second, third, then fourth banana at every turn, being reminded again and again of their fall no matter how much they plug their ears and yell, and eventually one of them is gonna get tired of that and knife the others for a place at the big boys table.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Look, if the banks are imploding then it seems to be the perfect time for Apple to get in on the money-lending game.

roffles
Dec 25, 2004

mycomancy posted:

so start yanking those away and people aren't just gonna lie down in a gutter and die, they'll burn down a city.

they think they’ll get to rebuild the city so it’s win-win. are they right? Probably. :smith:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

mycomancy posted:

How can you stay on top of a seething mass of pissed off humans if you have no money nor any ability to produce anything? Our "betters" use tech, money, and treats to keep people under control, so start yanking those away and people aren't just gonna lie down in a gutter and die, they'll burn down a city.

They don’t seem to get that, so thinks will get p cool imo.

I think 1991 followed by nothing happening to them in 2008 means a generation of them have never faced real danger and they don’t understand that their actions are bringing it about.

e: The military is a perfect example because that was 100% an own goal. They forgot what a military does and treated it like every other institution or function of the state and now they’re in a real bind.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
the secret of the crab bucket is that the bucket is very deep and can hold a lot of dead crab

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Certainly, but the problem is they've sealed the lid and have been shaving the walls for a while because it let them buy a larger hit of coke with the scrap price, and the dead crabs are about to blow the thing apart with their death gases.

The crabs aren't getting out, but the bacteria that intend to ferment the remains may get splattered all over.

I dunno I just like messing up metaphors.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
I could go for a po'boy rn

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Lmao it keeps happening
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1640874764813193217?t=saH0K8975k8XXTZsHnYONA&s=19

Serf
May 5, 2011


i don't know how bad it will have to get for americans to do something, but if current events are any indication it will have to get pretty loving bad. possibly so bad that there won't be any point left by the time we reach it

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

:lmao:

Poco
Jul 17, 2005

....I am a Tariff Man

Serf posted:

i don't know how bad it will have to get for americans to do something, but if current events are any indication it will have to get pretty loving bad. possibly so bad that there won't be any point left by the time we reach it

If covid was any indication, Lol, lmao.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009



spacemang_spliff posted:

I could go for a po'boy rn

Unironically so. As far as doing something, maybe a foreign company will eventually lure a government in the future into not being able to misbehave as much in exchange for a cut. Sure people want all the money, but if you can jump up to the puppet king maybe they go for it? Democrats already love being managed opposition, and I'm sure the Republicans could take a page from their book with regards to that.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
historical points at which americans have said "enough!":

-threatened to take their slaves away

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Well I mean they did that to themselves with COVID killing prisoners and all the foreign immigration slowing down. I'm sure that and the treats becoming increasingly unaffordable that kept the Karens only slightly violent will have awful but curious effects.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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E4C85D38 posted:

anyone have the tweet with the binance my_crimes.txt collage with "two eyes closed" front and center? tia

e: nm found it https://twitter.com/gf_256/status/1640616280788193280

If you barely have enough to buy an AK47 the pro move is usually an eco round where you just get a single flashbang and see if you get lucky.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009


Superfund state

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017



What a shithole this country is.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
lmao I was like oh man 1400 gallons that's a shitload but not compared to the size of hte river let me look ag

hahahaha

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1640383736729542662?t=Wxsjm-rG5ePbZyLj3m-5kw&s=19

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

is that alot? I’m not a toxic dump expert

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I mean it probably didn't all break, but it's never good to spill. It's just you couldn't tell which of those it is if your life depended on it because they sure as hell ain't gonna tell you.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Koirhor posted:

is that alot? I’m not a toxic dump expert

couple fluid ounces will kill ya

that there's roughly 60m ounces

thechosenone posted:

I mean it probably didn't all break, but it's never good to spill. It's just you couldn't tell which of those it is if your life depended on it because they sure as hell ain't gonna tell you.

yyyyup

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

silentsnack posted:

that sounds a lot like "trying to gaslight their way through The Collapse unscathed" which really worked for french nobles et al

If the French nobles had armed guards with machineguns and tanks they might have kept their heads.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
methanol is bad but it probably dissolves in the water to meaningless quantities in a river, I mean it probably will suck in the immediate area but it likely won't go far.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


someone grab Pete so he can tell us that 37,000 barges full of toxic waste sink in the Ohio River every year and act like that's supposed to be encouraging and calming information

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Celexi posted:

methanol is bad but it probably dissolves in the water to meaningless quantities in a river, I mean it probably will suck in the immediate area but it likely won't go far.

yeah the river probably has a flow of like 300k cubic feet per second so after... I dunno a minute even if every single drop of that methanol was slurped up by humans it wouldn't do much

Mayo Pete: "The solution to pollution is dilution"

American shipping and freight industry: "Hold my four hundred million beers"

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt

thechosenone posted:

And how do they intend to stay on top of anyone who either doesn't or stops killing their population? They're destroying the very slaves that make them strong, period. They can't even sell the stuff in on on the land without labor, and they can't raid or demand deals without labor to either corner markets or to shoot anyone who doesn't do what they say.

They depopulate the US, and they'll experience a proportional or super proportional loss in wealth, and from that power. They can kill each other to maintain their individual power or settle for only dominating in their little fiefdoms and having to answer to the big boys who didn't intentionally famine themselves, but they aren't going to see their international power do anything but plummet.

Oh and all that international reach and power was what held them all together and let them run roughshod over the peons so easily. They're gonna hate being couped by whoever finally decides they want to be a puppet to maintain their position in the world. They can blast others, but they can't blast themselves (and if they do well that solves us doesnt it).

We're living in a society that is governed and administrated by a class in death drive. By that I mean that they've exhausted the limits of liberal ideology -- for now -- and are in the midst of seeking their own demise. Not in the sense that they want to die individually, but in the sense of a class death, a destruction of the liberal ideology and the structures that give it shape and by which it is defined.

What comes next will either wash away liberalism (again) or transcend it. Could be fascism, could be Bonapartism, could be Socialism. Predicting it is pointless, the leaders of this next cadre will very likely not be known to us now or in the current ruling cadre.

A whiff of grapeshot combined with a strong state, a much more militaristic outlook on life, and a wounded revanchist conservative population? I don't think you have to squint too hard to see that in a future America. Even a future of ten years.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
They'd have to actually fix the economy first, and if they're violent enough to just kill random peasants I doubt their ability to restrain themselves for even a tenth of the time the current government has been in place.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

thechosenone posted:

And how do they intend to stay on top of anyone who either doesn't or stops killing their population? They're destroying the very slaves that make them strong, period. They can't even sell the stuff in on on the land without labor, and they can't raid or demand deals without labor to either corner markets or to shoot anyone who doesn't do what they say.

They depopulate the US, and they'll experience a proportional or super proportional loss in wealth, and from that power. They can kill each other to maintain their individual power or settle for only dominating in their little fiefdoms and having to answer to the big boys who didn't intentionally famine themselves, but they aren't going to see their international power do anything but plummet.

Oh and all that international reach and power was what held them all together and let them run roughshod over the peons so easily. They're gonna hate being couped by whoever finally decides they want to be a puppet to maintain their position in the world. They can blast others, but they can't blast themselves (and if they do well that solves us doesnt it).

Doesn’t matter. Capitalist don’t get together in on big room to plan the world economy, they get in little rooms to plan how to gently caress people over in their little fiefdoms. Any planning to keep the US-centric capitalist world order ticking has to contend with the millions of little parasites trying to get rich in the short term while sacrificing the long term.

Certainly some of the more forward-thinking oligarchs go to davos and say “hey, maybe we should cut back a bit so we can continue to leech off this system,” but nothing changes.

In the past capitalists knew that you have to provide something to regular people to keep them fat and docile,and that’s what they did in the 1950s when they had communism to contend with. Now they’re allowed to run hog wild.

Parasites do best when they know how to not kill the host, but when they’re allowed to drink as greedily as they want, the outcome is inevitable.

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt

thechosenone posted:

They'd have to actually fix the economy first, and if they're violent enough to just kill random peasants I doubt their ability to restrain themselves for even a tenth of the time the current government has been in place.

What's broken about the economy for the capitalist class?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Penisaurus Sex posted:

We're living in a society that is governed and administrated by a class in death drive. By that I mean that they've exhausted the limits of liberal ideology -- for now -- and are in the midst of seeking their own demise. Not in the sense that they want to die individually, but in the sense of a class death, a destruction of the liberal ideology and the structures that give it shape and by which it is defined.

What comes next will either wash away liberalism (again) or transcend it. Could be fascism, could be Bonapartism, could be Socialism. Predicting it is pointless, the leaders of this next cadre will very likely not be known to us now or in the current ruling cadre.

A whiff of grapeshot combined with a strong state, a much more militaristic outlook on life, and a wounded revanchist conservative population? I don't think you have to squint too hard to see that in a future America. Even a future of ten years.

The sinking empire still has time using its colonies as flotation devices. Maybe the unprecedented level of capitalist development will create an unprecedented conditions for class consciousness and organization.

At least, that's what I tell myself.

Semi related, been rereading Imperialism and this quote stuck out to me:

quote:

As we have seen, the deepest economic foundation of imperialism is monopoly. This is capitalist monopoly, i.e., monopoly which has grown out of capitalism and exists in the general environment of capitalism, commodity production and competition, in permanent and insoluble contradiction to this general environment. Nevertheless, like all monopoly, it inevitably engenders a tendency to stagnation and decay. Since monopoly prices are established, even temporarily, the motive cause of technical and, consequently, of all progress, disappears to a certain extent and, further, the economic possibility arises of deliberately retarding technical progress. For instance, in America, a certain Owens invented a machine which revolutionized the manufacture of bottles. The German bottle-manufacturing cartel purchased Owens' patent, but pigeonholed it, refrained from utilizing it. Certainly, monopoly under capitalism can never completely, and for a very long period of time, eliminate competition in the world market (and this, by the by, is one of the reasons why the theory of ultra-imperialism is so absurd). Certainly, the possibility of reducing cost of production and increasing profits by introducing technical improvements operates in the direction of change. But the tendency to stagnation and decay, which is characteristic of monopoly, continues to operate, and in certain branches of industry, in certain countries, for certain periods of time, it gains the upper hand.

Stagnancy and decay indeed.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

Penisaurus Sex posted:

What's broken about the economy for the capitalist class?

The fact that their international power is waning? It's all well and good if they can basically run roughshod over randos, but besides the nukes what answer would they have to an ascendant China if it just slowly picked apart the ruins based on when an opportunity to crack them came up by putting their greed against each other, eventually resulting in them all being shackled by a non - strictly capital controlled state?

Thorn Wishes Talon
Oct 18, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

SKULL.GIF posted:

What a shithole this country is.

yeah... crazy! this type of thing never happens in other countries

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Penisaurus Sex posted:

A whiff of grapeshot combined with a strong state, a much more militaristic outlook on life, and a wounded revanchist conservative population? I don't think you have to squint too hard to see that in a future America. Even a future of ten years.

They'll lose a war against Mexico who only has DJI Mavics, Ukrainian Javelins, and Great Wall Motors pickup trucks.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Mexico is probably the only country left that America can actually win a war against but that would require a draft and a willingness of the american people to sacrifice their lives. Frankly, I can't imagine any significant portion of the population willing to do that. The youth have 0 regard for the state. It may end like Vietnam all over again.

F hole
May 13, 2008

the half life for methanol in surface water is ~24 hours because bacteria can digest it. it is sometimes deliberately added in water treatment aeration basins as a carbon source.

the problem is that much much nastier poo poo gets barged up the river. Most of the liquid supply of 50% NaOH to the northern states goes by barge.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

is methanol flammable? Does it sink or float?

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice
I always thought the US would end up like what Russia is in my very limited view: the entire country is just hosed up and buildings falling apart and obvious corruption in every level of society but people just live with it because what else are you gonna do?

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silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

is methanol flammable? Does it sink or float?

yes it's flammable but not when diluted in a bunch of water. it doesn't form a separate oil phase and instead just mixes in with water because it's polar enough (and has low enough molecular weight) to associate directly with water molecules through hydrogen bonding

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