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FFT posted:MOTHERFUCKER What was the last respectable thing Dershowitz ever did? I don't mean something that's morally "good", but I mean participated in something that was proper respected practice of law. FFS, he attached himself to the Arizona Trump lawsuits and was trying to argue out of being sanctioned.
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univbee posted:Yeah. It sucks, but there are historical cases where a judge let their mask slip a teeny tiny bit and then the person was able to (at least eventually) overturn their harsh punishment. quote:Celebrity lawyer Alan Dershowitz acted as Bakker's parole attorney, having said that he "would guarantee that Mr. Bakker would never again engage in the blend of religion and commerce that led to his conviction." Which, to be fair, was truthful; he ended up performing a slightly different blend of religion and commerce that didn't immediately result in more legal action. I get it, they have to tread very lightly to prevent a friendly judge from having a pretext for throwing everything out. At this point what, if any, incentive is there for Jones to NOT make libelous statements about anyone who isn't his own current set of lawyers? It seems like there's no realistic possibility for punishment since the remedies are all financial and he's already effectively ruined. What prevents him from effectively performing a "will no one rid me of this troublesome judge" except without the call to action, just a bunch of Comet Pizza esque suggestions?
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Apr 11, 2023 19:44
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To the extent that Jones is in effect judgment proof that's a hard question to answer. And see my above answer about stochastic terrorism; first amendment law really hasn't kept up in this regard but I'm not sure how that's solvable that doesn't have huge downstream ramifications that we won't like. (Can you imagine how a looser standard might be abused to take the "no justice, no peace" chant as a pretext for a criminal investigation for 'incitement'?) As far as libeling people, the most a civil suit can do is try to diminish his reach, by taking resources away from him. A bankrupt Jones won't be able to afford his representation, can't fund as extensive an operation, has fewer shields between himself and other plaintiffs, who will have on record that he's got a history of being a libelous rear end in a top hat, which may fast track into injunctions. There's also the basic issue that he's got the one trick pony and if he can't talk about Sandy Hook...what else is left? I'm not sure what his audience is now at this point and what they're looking for.
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Apr 11, 2023 20:03
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kw0134 posted:if he can't talk about Sandy Hook...what else is left? Any of the 8 million other mass shootings that are definitely false flags with crisis actors.
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univbee posted:Any of the 8 million other mass shootings that are definitely false flags with crisis actors.
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kw0134 posted:There's also the basic issue that he's got the one trick pony and if he can't talk about Sandy Hook...what else is left? I'm not sure what his audience is now at this point and what they're looking for. I'm sure Knowledge Fight can do a better job for this, but there's still plenty of frogs being turned gay, to say nothing of the outright Q poo poo. There's always a shadowy liberal conspiracy, there's always some conservative nonsense talking point (they're gonna take are stoves!), Sandy Hook isn't the only thing this guy does, just something that's finally started to catch up to him. There's also the persecution complex to build off of, and the whole right wing grifting circuit. Look, he's a real martyr that the (((deep state))) tried to silence! He's here to tell you the truth (and sell you pills!)
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Apr 11, 2023 20:12
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If he's going to go about on a general grievance rant, then it's not really defaming anyone. "Obumma is taking your stoves away!" is still protected speech.
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Yeah the UK has much stricter libel/slander laws than we have in the US and yeah it can really fuckin suck.
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Read that as a General Grievous rant and was extremely interested for just a moment.
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Apr 11, 2023 21:17
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kw0134 posted:(Can you imagine how a looser standard might be abused to take the "no justice, no peace" chant as a pretext for a criminal investigation for 'incitement'?) We've had protesters getting disappeared for this sort of thing already, maybe we can actually apply the existing standards to the people who abuse the gently caress out of them.
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Apr 11, 2023 21:19
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kw0134 posted:There's also the basic issue that he's got the one trick pony and if he can't talk about Sandy Hook...what else is left? I'm not sure what his audience is now at this point and what they're looking for. What in god’s name are you talking about, jones doesn’t need sandy hook under any circumstances. He can talk about biden and the covid vaccine, he can talk about the war in ukraine, he can go back to the old hits of the new world order trying to decrease the population and control people, he can talk about the world economic forum and the world bank and the world trade organization We are heading into an election and he will undoubtedly spin up bullshit about anyone involved in it other than trump It’s honestly about time for alex to get super into cryptocurrencies and start really pushing his audience to invest in some dumb loving scamcoin
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rotinaj posted:What in god’s name are you talking about, jones doesn’t need sandy hook under any circumstances. He can talk about biden and the covid vaccine, he can talk about the war in ukraine, he can go back to the old hits of the new world order trying to decrease the population and control people, he can talk about the world economic forum and the world bank and the world trade organization RocketMermaid posted:We've had protesters getting disappeared for this sort of thing already, maybe we can actually apply the existing standards to the people who abuse the gently caress out of them.
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Apr 11, 2023 21:27
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kw0134 posted:I'm not sure what his audience is now at this point and what they're looking for. Uglier than whatever you're thinking of
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Apr 11, 2023 22:10
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rotinaj posted:What in god’s name are you talking about Yeah for real. Sandy Hook is just one of the many, many, MANY insane things he's gone on about. He makes a ton of money selling dick pills and poo poo. Also, he can still talk about Sandy Hook all he wants lol. I wouldn't recommend it but as everyone has mentioned many times, he wasn't charged for any crime.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:51
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Jones made his fortune in part talking about Sandy Hook, but currently he has a big pile of money that, like most big piles of money, is self-sustaining. He could make fart noises into the microphone for four hours six times a week and probably break even.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:57
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we all know he would make far more money doing that but nobody wants to face that truth
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Part of the question is what happens when you take away that big pile of money because of, you know, the billion dollar judgment. If he wants to make farting noises into a mic for 40 hours a week, that'd be a wild success from everyone's perspective, tbh.
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kw0134 posted:Part of the question is what happens when you take away that big pile of money because of, you know, the billion dollar judgment. If he wants to make farting noises into a mic for 40 hours a week, that'd be a wild success from everyone's perspective, tbh. It will become harder for him to restock inventory (even with his atrocious gouging of his vendors), let alone his 50%-off, double-patriot-points promo specials on Super Vitality Male and the iodine
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Apr 11, 2023 23:13
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Jones' audience doesn't buy his products for practical reasons, they buy them for ideological ones. Jones spent his entire career hammering home the idea that giving him money is morally equivalent to fighting the globalists, or as he puts it "funding the InfoWar". He's got a loyal fanbase that is functionally similar to a large Patreon or Substack in terms of the income they provide and why they provide it. He can, has, and will continue to bilk them for money. Is that sustainable in the long-term? Probably not. He's an aging propagandist who has largely been replaced in the public eye by younger and better propagandists, and I have to imagine his entire business strategy revolves around retaining current subscribers rather than attracting new ones. But he can absolutely retain that audience without needing to talk about Sandy Hook.
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Apr 11, 2023 23:53
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I think the biggest problem that most people can't articulate is that jones isn't having money taken away, he's just having his scoreboard dinged. Money only exists up to about 5 digits, beyond that it's kind of meaningless as far as day to day is concerned
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no, that's been said several times the answer is some mix of "that's how it works" and "why do you want people to suffer?"
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Alex Jones isn't a people. He's twenty pounds of bigotry in a ten pound bag.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Alex Jones isn't a people. He's twenty pounds of bigotry in a ten pound bag. wow he's lost a lot of weight
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I mean money settlements like this are about making the person suffer. That’s all it really does.
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Sentient Data posted:I think the biggest problem that most people can't articulate is that jones isn't having money taken away, he's just having his scoreboard dinged. if he wants to be able to make InfoWars in an actual studio with actual paid employees, he needs a bit more money than that also, he spends a lot of money day-to-day kind of ridiculous to continually insist he just doesn't care about losing all his money
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Froghammer posted:Is that sustainable in the long-term? Probably not. He's an aging propagandist who has largely been replaced in the public eye by younger and better propagandists, and I have to imagine his entire business strategy revolves around retaining current subscribers rather than attracting new ones. But he can absolutely retain that audience without needing to talk about Sandy Hook. Just dawned on me why he keeps Owen Shroyer around even though he's absolutely awful at his job and a charisma vacuum.
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kw0134 posted:Has he though? AFAIK it's been Sandyhooksandyhooksandyhook and hes' not moved on. And it's unclear if that schtick is gonna work going forward. Nah. He was lying about the claim that he never talks about Sandy Hook, but it's not even close to a major part of the show. His main things for the past year+ are transphobia and covid poo poo. Currently the transphobia is the main one, he manages to make everything about that somehow.
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John Mirra posted:Just dawned on me why he keeps Owen Shroyer around even though he's absolutely awful at his job and a charisma vacuum.
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Yeah there is no heir. Alex is the only person in that building with a shred of broadcasting talent.
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waydownLo posted:It will become harder for him to restock inventory (even with his atrocious gouging of his vendors), let alone his 50%-off, double-patriot-points promo specials on Super Vitality Male and the iodine He could establish a line of credit to finance inventory. There's a million other options that cost but are not prohibitive.
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Jones got a huge bump from Sandy Hook. It was part of the trial, how they would watch his viewership and store metrics and get a massive increase from talking about it. Of course there are dozens of other insane conspiracies he can go off on, and he will if he's smart. But I can see him being dumb enough that Sandy Hook occupies an outsized space in his mind. It's like a gambler obsessed with a slot machine that gave him a big win once, even tho there are plenty more just like it in the casino.
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Borscht posted:He could establish a line of credit to finance inventory. There's a million other options that cost but are not prohibitive. Billion bucks in debt doesn't look great for opening a line of credit
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Has he actually stopped talking about Sandy Hook? I mean, what are they going to do? Fine him another billion dollars?
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He's talked about the trial, and in that context he's mentioned it and denied it happened a couple of times. It's not a common topic.
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Fell Mood posted:Jones got a huge bump I think Jones gets a huge bump quite often, judging by his behavior.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean money settlements like this are about making the person suffer. That’s all it really does. I bet he is suffering. Not as much as he deserves, but “when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” AJ had years of functionally unlimited money and freedom. For most people being "restricted" to $50,000 a month would be insanely good, but when you've gotten used to taking home millions a year it's going to chafe. For years he's been surrounded by yes men, and never having to deal professionally with anyone who disagrees with him. Having the bankruptcy court ordered overseer in his business has to gal him. Having all his personal stuff under the public microscope is something anyone would hate. It hasn't cost him his base yet, because "unjustly persecuted hero" is a mythic figure Americans love.
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You'll forgive me for not finding a mere (my yearly salary and some change) a month equality or in fact any real kind of punitive action at all. That's still a frankly absurd amount of money that no one person should have. When he owes the people he harmed more money than he can ever make. People find that upsetting because about 80% of that going to the people he hurt is still a very well off person's salary.
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The Lone Badger posted:Has he actually stopped talking about Sandy Hook? Which, again, is neither here nor there when it comes to his current broadcasts because the mainstream media has moved on (it's been a decade) and he's moved on along with them. One could argue that whether or not whether the Sandy Hook shooting was fake is a part of his current narratives (it is), but his current narrative has assumed it was true and progressed so much farther beyond that. Pointing out what was true and / or fake in the past won't deter him, because all he cares about is the present.
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FoolyCharged posted:You'll forgive me for not finding a mere (my yearly salary and some change) a month equality or in fact any real kind of punitive action at all. he's gonna get restricted harder than that once the bankruptcy case is actually over he's not even actually being punished yet. the current salary limit he's under is just locking down his assets so he can't pull a Lowtax and spend down his entire fortune just to spite the plaintiffs
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Main Paineframe posted:the current salary limit he's under is just locking down his assets so he can't pull a Lowtax and spend down his entire fortune just to spite the plaintiffs Goddamn I forgot that happened, what a miserable rear end in a top hat. While I owe a concerning amount to this website, both him and AJ are awfully similar at times.
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