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Tighclops posted:the enterprise is a boat And one handsome lady.
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oh hey are we doing continuity of consciousness chat again because the human mind is an ongoing process running on a biological substrate that changes but does not stop when unconscious/asleep and as far as I know has never been successfully restarted once completely stopped so if you halt the process completely then start up a new identical process on identical substrate, that first process is loving dead and the second one is a copy hope this helps I guessssss it gets trickier if you can somehow restart the process on the exact same substrate. is Robocop still Murphy?
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CainFortea posted:No one says this though. I'm gonna start. Butterflies are Ascended
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Apr 27, 2023 16:14
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You die every time you get in a vehicle, or eat food
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No Dignity posted:You die every time you get in a vehicle, or eat food That's just because I'm a terrible driver with severe allergies
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Strom Cuzewon posted:SfS has some fun stuff at the start with all the heist stuff, it's the middle that reall sags. But tbh that film could be 90% hot garbage and I'd still love it just for the ending scene on Vulcan. also had wicked jacket game:     (I love the ST3 Starfleet bomber jacket)
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also had wicked jacket game: Scotty's jacket almost looks suede, verging on crushed velvet. Crushed velvet starfleet uniforms... Mmmh...
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I've never seen readings of drip like this sir.
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Look, if you want to believe that you die every time you use the transporter or sleep or fart or whatever idc but I’m making fun of you for it on every away mission.
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Powered Descent posted:And one handsome lady. *takes notes* Call the ship... handsome lady...
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also had wicked jacket game: Oh man I only watched tWoK for the first time last month, and was immediately gutted at how they sidelined both Saavik and her original actor. They should bring her back on SNW and keep the incredibly 80s hair.
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Apr 27, 2023 17:34
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Trixie Hardcore posted:Look, if you want to believe that you die every time you use the transporter or sleep or fart or whatever idc but I’m making fun of you for it on every away mission. Not me, one of my transporter clones. Strom Cuzewon posted:Oh man I only watched tWoK for the first time last month, and was immediately gutted at how they sidelined both Saavik and her original actor. They should bring her back on SNW and keep the incredibly 80s hair. She's dead bro (and they didn't sideline Kirstie Alley, she had a scheduling conflict, some show about a bar or something)
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Apr 27, 2023 17:36
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Y'all become new people because you use transporter on away missions, I become new people because I experience the little death on away missions
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Apr 27, 2023 17:44
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Please stop jerking off in the pattern buffer
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Khanstant posted:Y'all become new people because you use transporter on away missions, I become new people because I experience the little death on away missions starfleet issue horga'hn
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zoux posted:Please stop jerking off in the pattern buffer Spoiler for Picard S3 this is literally the plot for Picard S3
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Turns out the reason Harry Kim never got promoted is because Janeway overheard him talking bullshit about how you die every time you use the transporter and a new you replaces the dead you, so she decided to honor his beliefs by resetting his service record every time he came back from an away mission.
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After teasing for ages, The Roddenberry Archive is doing some interesting stuff on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVSm2AmYjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIt4ZglkHRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45NWKEjYy8 Some fantastic starship/interior/art direction porn in there.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:oh hey are we doing continuity of consciousness chat again because the human mind is an ongoing process running on a biological substrate that changes but does not stop when unconscious/asleep and as far as I know has never been successfully restarted once completely stopped so if you halt the process completely then start up a new identical process on identical substrate, that first process is loving dead and the second one is a copy hope this helps I guessssss Murphy was always Robocop.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:oh hey are we doing continuity of consciousness chat again because the human mind is an ongoing process running on a biological substrate that changes but does not stop when unconscious/asleep and as far as I know has never been successfully restarted once completely stopped so if you halt the process completely then start up a new identical process on identical substrate, that first process is loving dead and the second one is a copy hope this helps I guessssss yea nah if my substrate it totally destroyed and an exact copy is made i'm still the exact same person when I wake up after being remade because from my perspective i'm exactly the same and my perspective is the only one that matters.
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So those people that existed as transporter worms for awhile, were they dead in the transporter while they were worms or were they reborn as worms in the transporter and then reborn as people as they exited the transporter or what?
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So, uh... followup to the last post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KXU2Ob8gYY e: Huh. This says it's a little short film adaptation of a moment from Ashes to Eden and a prequel to Picard season 3. There's also a bunch of other stuff in there, including a live-action Arex from TAS:  I have no idea what's going on, but it's neat. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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I rather like that a lot. That's some wild timing you got.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:So those people that existed as transporter worms for awhile, were they dead in the transporter while they were worms or were they reborn as worms in the transporter and then reborn as people as they exited the transporter or what?
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zoux posted:She's dead bro (and they didn't sideline Kirstie Alley, she had a scheduling conflict, some show about a bar or something) It wasn't scheduling; Star Trek III came out in 1984 and Alley first started appearing on Cheers in 1987. Nimoy was not a fan of her work in The Wrath of Khan, nor did he like that Meyer's script said that she was half-Romulan (which is why Alley's portrayal is so emotional). He made the choice to replace her with Robin Curtis.
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The Fifty Year Mission also has some quotes from the production office claiming she was asking for the same money as Shatner and Nimoy. Then again there's also some really catty stuff in that book from Deborah Arakelian (Harve Bennett's assistant, from what I recall) about Alley leaving the shoot to get her boobs done, which I'm pretty sure doesn't line up either, so it's probably all bullshit.
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Gaz-L posted:The Fifty Year Mission also has some quotes from the production office claiming she was asking for the same money as Shatner and Nimoy. Then again there's also some really catty stuff in that book from Deborah Arakelian (Harve Bennett's assistant, from what I recall) about Alley leaving the shoot to get her boobs done, which I'm pretty sure doesn't line up either, so it's probably all bullshit. The Fifty-Year Mission books are really good, but some of the quotes are indeed absolute bullshit. In particular, ignore anything said by Marc Cushman. Alley always claimed that they offered her less for III than she made on II, so she decided to walk away (and this got parroted in Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories, another book that is 90 percent bullshit outside of direct quotes). But it was all Nimoy; he wanted Saavik to be played as a full Vulcan.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:So those people that existed as transporter worms for awhile, were they dead in the transporter while they were worms or were they reborn as worms in the transporter and then reborn as people as they exited the transporter or what? They were trying to communicate with broccoli so i'd say they were still alive.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:Spoiler for Picard S3 this is literally the plot for Picard S3 I wish I could write for TV because I don't think I'd do much worse
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feedmyleg posted:After teasing for ages, The Roddenberry Archive is doing some interesting stuff on YouTube: Apparently the people behind Stage 9 are involved in this. They are also making a TTS that uses Majel Roddenberry voice, you can hear a sample of it if you click the about section https://roddenberry.x.io/. (This is something she explicitly wanted to be made.)
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Apparently the people behind Stage 9 are involved in this. They are also making a TTS that uses Majel Roddenberry voice, you can hear a sample of it if you click the about section https://roddenberry.x.io/. (This is something she explicitly wanted to be made.) That is super cool. When I was watching them I grumbled that this must have been why Stage 9 got hit with the C&D. Very cool that they appraiched them to make the official version. Still, they should hire a competent marketing person because their site and YT presence is incredibly confusing.
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As cool as that teaser video is (I'm not watching PIC so I don't have an idea what it's referencing beyond Generations), I have really mixed feelings about deepfaking actors into movies. This seems to be done more respectfully than Carrie Fisher in Rogue One, though.
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feedmyleg posted:That is super cool. When I was watching them I grumbled that this must have been why Stage 9 got hit with the C&D. Stage 9 got hit with the C&D because they blew their load early and went public with it before it was anywhere close to done. CBS had to go after them just as a matter of trademark defense. There's a reason I only made vague hints to how Picard S3 was going to go. I'm unemployed and broke at the moment, last thing I need is a process server knocking on my door here in Iowa giving me notice of a lawsuit.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:This seems to be done more respectfully than Carrie Fisher in Rogue One, though. Rogue One came out before she died, but your point stands with Peter Cushing subbed in.
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But the person running his estate said it was okay after they were paid a bunch of money, so how could it be unethical
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:As cool as that teaser video is (I'm not watching PIC so I don't have an idea what it's referencing beyond Generations), I have really mixed feelings about deepfaking actors into movies. This seems to be done more respectfully than Carrie Fisher in Rogue One, though. I liked it, it felt respectful enough to me. They didn't try to superimpose a bad voiceover or dumb cheesy lines. Roddenberry Archive isn't some megacorp making billions. Leia was a mixed bag for me. Cheesy rear end obvious "Hope" line but it was close enough to her death that it felt like they could be doing it as a tribute/memorial. But then again, same movie, bringing back Cushing as Tarkin for a cameo after he's been dead 25 years felt ghoulish. Edit: jeez, i must have my memory backwards about when Fisher died. still more weird than transgressive at that point though.
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Transporters don't kill you because they're not real and the people who make these shows say they don't.
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Yeah, if they had put words in Spock's mouth that might have come across more cheesily/badly than what we got. I don't have a problem with the Roddenberry Project, but bringing back long-dead celebrities for new movies in general I'm not as sure about.
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LividLiquid posted:Transporters don't kill you because they're not real and the people who make these shows say they don't. look pal if I wanted a sensible answer I’d log off
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Timby posted:In particular, ignore anything said by Marc Cushman. Was Cushman the guy behind those 3 TOS behind the scenes books which came out some 10-15 years ago and were filled with nonsense?
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