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Sleggar is one of the bits of 0079 that translates weirdly to modern context. Slapping a woman to make a point loving sucks rear end, but I don't think Sleggar was intended to be an unlikeable or lovely character. Heroic guys "justifiably" slapping women was just a thing that happened a lot in shows at the time.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Can someone help me remember if Sleggar Law is The Worst Character in First Gundam? Does he actually slap Mirai or am I misremembering that? I'm gonna go with the character compared to Hitler
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May 8, 2023 02:32
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Arc Hammer posted:First he punches Cameron and then he slaps Mirai. That’s what I remembered: he slaps Mirai, she kisses him, and then she’s sad he dies. Tomino! Gaius Marius posted:I'm gonna go with the character compared to Hitler You’re not supposed to like the Zabis.
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May 8, 2023 03:33
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i wish i could say that the point with sleggar is that him breaking social convention to be violent towards people he dislikes is fun and satisfying when it's arbitrarily someone the audience dislikes, like cameron, but then it's not so fun anymore when "hitting people is cool" actually plays out in not the best case scenario but then mirai kisses him for it and he dies tragically so
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May 8, 2023 03:37
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I don't hate Sleggar, but he's aged like milk.
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May 8, 2023 03:45
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I thought he was pretty good in Doan's Island. He's still a pig headed chauvinist but he's also more of a joke than a cool dude.
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May 8, 2023 03:48
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i liked the part where he actually landed a shot on someone unlike kai and hayato, then immediately faceplanted into a rock wrecking his GM
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May 8, 2023 03:50
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He just really wanted to ride Sayla's core booster.
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May 8, 2023 04:02
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i mean everyone in gundam 0079 is smacking people to make a point, its just a japanese dramatic convention from the era. its not like hes meant to be a woman beater or anything, or its even really a gendered thing, its the same thing that happens to amuro earlier in the show.
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May 8, 2023 04:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbnCZT5R8Ss
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May 8, 2023 04:07
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Arc Hammer posted:At least Gigi has a normal reaction to bding caught in the middle of a war zone. Gigi makes a lot more sense when you remember that she’s a 19-year-old sex worker/sugar baby who has probably spent her entire life playing up the bullshit manic pixie dream girl act to keep her head above water around completely insane rich people. She’s acting far more like a normal person in her last scene with kenneth in the movie when she drops the mask.
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May 8, 2023 04:08
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Endorph posted:i mean everyone in gundam 0079 is smacking people to make a point, its just a japanese dramatic convention from the era. its not like hes meant to be a woman beater or anything, or its even really a gendered thing, its the same thing that happens to amuro earlier in the show. it's how mirai reacts afterwards that i think people actually have a problem with though there's definitely double standards going around about sleggar hitting mirai vs literally any time another (male) character gets hit in the face
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May 8, 2023 04:08
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well look her options in terms of available grown men on that ship were bright, sleggar, or kai, i think we'd all make the choices she did, in about the order she did
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May 8, 2023 04:10
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how was anybody on board supposed to know kai was going to make becoming an international man of mystery his next career move
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May 8, 2023 04:25
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Runa posted:how was anybody on board supposed to know kai was going to make becoming an international man of mystery his next career move Sayla seemed to have a guess at it. (Seriously, there's a surprising amount of Kai and Sayla moments in the original and the Zeta movies.) For Sleggar, it seemed to partially tie into Mirai's Newtype intuition going "Hey, dead man walking here. Do something, fast." without her knowing what the heck it was, and partially just the emotional stress combined with her and Bright being kind of on the outs and wanting to do something to make him regret it. Sleggar, meanwhile, seemed to guess that it was more a heat of the moment thing than anything serious, so he kind of tried to talk her down. He's a bit of a lech, but at least he seems to recognize that, when a girl says no (and possibly slaps you), that's entirely fair and you should politely leave her to go about her business.
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Endorph posted:i mean everyone in gundam 0079 is smacking people to make a point, its just a japanese dramatic convention from the era. its not like hes meant to be a woman beater or anything, or its even really a gendered thing, its the same thing that happens to amuro earlier in the show. The show depicting an inexperienced superior officer in the midst of a war slapping a teenager suffering from PTSD which sends the teen fleeing from the White Base is different than Sleggar slapping a woman over her marital issues, and the woman shortly thereafter falls in love with him. ninjewtsu posted:it's how mirai reacts afterwards that i think people actually have a problem with ding ding ding ding
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Torquemadras posted:I have done it. I have watched all of Gundam, Gundam Zeta, Gundam ZZ and Char's Counterattack Oh friend, you still have yet to encounter some of the worst characters in Gundam. Speaking of Slegger, since I can't track down AGE or G-Reco and I finished the first cour of Mercury and the second season IBO I'm probably going to watch the original series again and then go through Zeta before rewatching 00 and Wing. It's been a while since I've done the original and Zeta back to back and it'll be fun. I did recently watch the trilogy movies and CCA so it's more of a "oh so that's what's different" kind of thing. Also I really disliked Cameron in the movies, along with that whole weird Slegger and Mirai thing, so I want to see if I feel the same in the TV series.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The show depicting an inexperienced superior officer in the midst of a war slapping a teenager suffering from PTSD which sends the teen fleeing from the White Base is different than Sleggar slapping a woman over her marital issues, and the woman shortly thereafter falls in love with him.
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Endorph posted:amuro falls in love with bright tho. i can prove it Bright keeps a picture of Amuro in his office they were lovers.
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Endorph posted:amuro falls in love with bright tho. i can prove it please do
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May 8, 2023 06:41
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So apparently Gundam twitter is trying to rehabilitate AGE.
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Fivemarks posted:So apparently Gundam twitter is trying to rehabilitate AGE. *points and laughs*
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May 8, 2023 16:03
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Newtypes instantly fall in love with anyone that slaps them
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May 8, 2023 16:16
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People bat for Seed too, big deal.
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May 8, 2023 16:31
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It's Katejina, or maybe the Zanscare officer that wants to bathe and rape 13 year old Uso. Victory has so many awful trash people. But it also has the Motorad commander who is insane and fitting for victory but is at least fun.
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haypliss posted:People bat for Seed too, big deal. Seed’s not bad.
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Gripweed posted:Seed’s not bad. It really isn't. It's visually dated, but Destiny has so badly tainted SEED its rep is hurt from its sequel imo. SEED is just kinda uninspiring on a revisit, its UC Gundam blended with the parts of Wing that made it very popular in the west. There are worse formulas for Gundam.
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i have seen no reason to hate non-destiny seed but i have also never been given a compelling reason to watch it, outside of it being very gorey apparently which does make me consider it as i do enjoy some good gore
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SEED isn't just 'visually dated', but actively ugly, and the excessive use of stock footage and flashbacks does it no favours. The story is adequate but rather sluggishly-paced and repetitive (especially when you watch the much snappier original Mobile Suit Gundam afterwards), meaning that there really isn't much treasure to dig through those awful visuals for.
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Âge might actually be a better watch simply because it's so poor in quality. Its elevator pitch is enticing, and then every piece of the actual work fails completely to capitalize. SEED has actually interesting ideas and concepts outside of its premise, but it pulls every concept off in the most lethargic and inert way. Its coloring and choreography are dull even when it's not reusing stock footage, its characters are poor rehashes or overly melodramatic. Its plot is 2/3 rehash 1/3 wtf that was dumb. It doesn't succeed at anything, but also doesn't fail enough to be interesting or humorous.
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Gripweed posted:Seed’s not bad. I'd say it is. It's not extraordinarily bad, but the art style is ugly, the characters are sanded down to remove the interesting aspects from the original Gundam characters they mimicked, and the pacing for the first act is painfully slow. Oh, and the combat is boring and filled with stock footage. There's enough flaws to tip the scales from mediocre to the negatives, especially since the art aged so poorly. It's just that Gundam has even worse shows to point to.
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Seed is less sexist than Age, at least.
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Fivemarks posted:Seed is less sexist than Age, at least. Speaking of Gundam Twitter, I've been very happy to see people realizing that Flay is an excellent and interesting character.
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I feel like a lot of the core characters like Kira, Flay, Athrun and Cagalli are decent to great
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Flay is definitely one of the few bright spots in the whole show, but they completely take her out of commission for half of it.
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SEED is probably the one of the better shows to do a remake or a reboot sequel series as it has the core of a really good series but the original didn't quite hit the potential and Destiny is well...Destiny.
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A more coherently written Destiny where they make a hard decision to go "Shinn is the protagonist and the show is about him" might be good, if they do stuff like "Don't gently caress over Cagalli because Morosawa felt threatened by her VA"
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Fivemarks posted:A more coherently written Destiny where they make a hard decision to go "Shinn is the protagonist and the show is about him" might be good, if they do stuff like "Don't gently caress over Cagalli because Morosawa felt threatened by her VA" I really think, based on nothing but my feelings, that that’s just a baseless rumor.
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May 8, 2023 21:15
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should they get the original staff back to do a remake
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