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Yes and in a helicopter you land at 0-15kts depending on wind. Helicopters have higher accident statistics because a lot of the work is at low level/low vis. We fly where planes can't. This comes with an increased risk. Similarly, we also have the option of landing virtually anywhere. Closed in by weather? Just land. Systems failure? Just land. Glide-ratios are kinda pointless if there's nowhere to land. It just takes you longer to crash.
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A helicopter needs the blades to be whole to touch down safely. The videos I've seen of helicopters experiencing an emergency seem to start with the blades being exactly not that. Remember the super puma crash in Norway? Don't get me wrong, I love the things conceptually and as machines and the things they make possible, but I'd never put anyone I love inside them without a fight
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May 16, 2023 04:47
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Counterpoint: if you die cruising around a canyon or Hawaii or something in an MD500, at least you died having a blast.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:A helicopter needs the blades to be whole to touch down safely. The videos I've seen of helicopters experiencing an emergency seem to start with the blades being exactly not that. Remember the super puma crash in Norway? That’s why they very specifically said engine failure. Airplanes don’t do well without their wings either.
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Isn’t a forced landing on water in a helicopter virtually a death trap from the disorientation of flipping over if you haven’t trained for it?
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hobbesmaster posted:That’s why they very specifically said engine failure. Airplanes don’t do well without their wings either. Well not with that attitude.
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hobbesmaster posted:The more questionable one is the A318 with only 80 sold and no neo variant offered. They nailed the market because the aircraft was optimised for 70-90 seats. The problem with a shrink variant is that none of the major structure of the aircraft - the wings and centre fuselage section - change, so the aircraft becomes much heavier and draggier for its payload than it necessarily needs to be. And while there are definitely operational considerations that can override that drawback, in this day and age airlines are becoming less and less fearful of non-common types in their fleet, if it means they can perfectly tailor capacity to demand. As an example, 20 years ago Air Canada was all-in on the A320 family, operating A319s, 320s and 321s. Today for the same aircraft size bracket, they operate A220s, 737 MAX 8s and soon, A321XLRs. MrChips fucked around with this message at 05:33 on May 16, 2023 |
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May 16, 2023 05:26
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hobbesmaster posted:That’s why they very specifically said engine failure. Airplanes don’t do well without their wings either. And the wings fall off often? Compared to blade damage?
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May 16, 2023 05:38
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:And the wings fall off often? Compared to blade damage? Yeah, if some idiot hits the button while they're trying to recline their seat.
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May 16, 2023 13:51
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Motorcycles are safer because they’re small and nimble, the statistics are off because I just spend my time weaving through traffic without a helmet at 100mph.
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May 16, 2023 14:19
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Squid Georg is an outlier and shouldn’t have been included.
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May 16, 2023 16:00
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Many helicopter designs (like Robinsons) make it easy to accidentally destroy the aircraft with fatal consequences with low-G maneuvers. There are a lot fewer ways for pilot error to instantly kill you in a light fixed wing plane. e: I've never flown a helicopter. I did read a book about flying helicopters once which said that if you don't react right away when the engine fails by bottoming the collective and pulling the cyclic all the way back, the RPM will spin to zero and you will lose control of the aircraft and enter an unrecoverable attitude. It also stated that basically nobody practices autorotations all the way to the ground because it tends to damage the aircraft. It didn't inspire me with confidence that if I started flying helicopters I would be able to successfully bring it down to the ground consistently in any terrain at all. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 16:51 on May 16, 2023 |
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May 16, 2023 16:34
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Mortabis posted:I see the argument but the thing is that the observed, empirical safety of fixed wing aircraft is still much higher. In principle you can land the helicopter, but let me ask you, how much practice do you think most pilots have in full down autorotation? We have a check ride every year, where they are a mandatory component. Are mine as pretty as when I left flight school and had them dialed in, no, but my general aircraft handling is now much better, so I think I'm in a much better position to deal with real life variables.
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Zero One posted:This really depends on the aircraft but often those small versions are not much different from the larger one that it’s worth offering just in case someone wants a few. It’s not like the A319 has a separate line and different tooling. I've done some work in one of the Airbus assembly facilities, and the assembly jigs, which are all movable, have different lock-in positions on the factory floor for each body length, 319, 320, 321. The rest of the jigs are all the same. Bonus jig picture: 
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Sagebrush posted:I did the math on it once and this is correct, though I can't remember if it was per mile or per hour. You are both wrong, the best aircraft to have an engine failure in is an airship
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Nebakenezzer posted:You are both wrong, the best aircraft to have an engine failure in is an airship Why not an autogyro? All the safety of a helicopter with all the landing selection capability of a light plane!
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Why not an autogyro? All the safety of a helicopter with all the landing selection capability of a light plane! Autogyros mostly retain the worst traits of both.
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Nebakenezzer posted:You are both wrong, the best aircraft to have an engine failure in is an airship It has to be either a powered parachute or motorglider.
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Nebakenezzer posted:You are both wrong, the best aircraft to have an engine failure in is an airship UAV still on the ground
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Chronojam posted:UAV still on the ground this is probably the winner yeah
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the milk machine posted:this long boi made me want to bump this post which has become almost an intrusive thought: the squattest boi 
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Chronojam posted:UAV still on the ground Yeah, sure the LiPo battery failing and starting the whole house on fire is "safe"
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Mortabis posted:It also stated that basically nobody practices autorotations all the way to the ground because it tends to damage the aircraft. Based on the time I've spent at Fort Rucker I can say that that is false.
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Jonny Nox posted:Yeah, sure the LiPo battery failing and starting the whole house on fire is "safe" i mean if the question is "which aircraft is it safest to bring into the family home" theres a whole new can of worms
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Infinotize posted:Motorcycles are safer because they’re small and nimble, the statistics are off because I just spend my time weaving through traffic without a helmet at 100mph. Right? Helicopters are only really dangerous because of the extremely dangerous way we fly them isn’t the best rebuttal.
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You will see some motorcycle brands like BMW with better crash stats because their bikes cost more and the riders are older.
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Dr_Strangelove posted:the squattest boi It's a great regret of mine that I never got to fly on a 747SP. They're just so  .And, of course, they'd be a far better size for a 747 BBJ and likely have  range if they were made with new engines and the same composites from the 8i series, but unfortunately all the Arab oil billionaires and sheiks are compensating, so there's nothing but 8i-based BBJs.
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Mortabis posted:It also stated that basically nobody practices autorotations all the way to the ground because it tends to damage the aircraft. I We most certainly practice autorotations all the way to the ground and it's required for your check ride.
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Murgos posted:Right? Helicopters are only really dangerous because of the extremely dangerous way we fly them isn’t the best rebuttal. They fulfill a function and the risks have deemed to be acceptable for the work that they can do. Asking an airplane to do the same work and they either can't or the risks would be much much higher. Or do you think that say, medevac flights aren't worth the risk? Being a squid does not fulfill any function, beyond removing stupid people from the gene-pool.
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ryanrs posted:You will see some motorcycle brands like BMW with better crash stats because their bikes cost more and the riders are older. Yamaha Niken, safest motorbike ever!
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An Oregon Air National Guard F-15 got a bath today: https://centraloregondaily.com/f-15-kingsley-irrigation-canal-crash-klamath-falls/ The pilot wasn't hurt
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Can't park there, mate
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FuturePastNow posted:An Oregon Air National Guard F-15 got a bath today: "An amphibious F-14 Tomcat, a trait all Navy aircraft share the world over, is parked in an aquatic revetment at RAF Luton."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's a great regret of mine that I never got to fly on a 747SP. They're just so Agreed, it’s such a neat airplane. I haven’t flown in many widebodies. I may have been on a 747 when I was four and we flew to Alaska to visit my dad when he was on a remote tour, but that’s a vague memory at best. I did enjoy the all-787 trip seven years ago when I went DFW-NRT-HAN and back, even with all the issues that airplane has had.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's a great regret of mine that I never got to fly on a 747SP. They're just so
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"An amphibious F-14 Tomcat, a trait all Navy aircraft share the world over, is parked in an aquatic revetment at RAF Luton." "Photographed by an RAF Canberra."
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Beastie posted:Can't dock there, mate
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Dr_Strangelove posted:the squattest boi short fat planes are the best  tee hee
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Sagebrush posted:short fat planes are the best Does this mean that the BAE-146 is the best plane?
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I think it's adorable 
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