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Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

haveblue posted:

Is the missile now 7x more capable than before? (Adjusted for inflation)

I was trying to look up details on what's changed and I found this utterly useless AI created article. The images in it are amazing:

https://www.lihpao.com/how-much-does-a-stinger-missile-cost/


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Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
AI write in Bengali script

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.
My takeaway from that article is that you can save big by getting your stingers in bulk at Costco.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Costco hasn't raised the price on their basic man portable air defense system since 1996.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Looks like some accountant finally looked into the cost benefit analysis of Chris Rock's bullet cost joke.

domhal
Dec 30, 2008


0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

zoux posted:

Costco hasn't raised the price on their basic man portable air defense system since 1996.

If you raise the effing man pad, I will kill you. With this man pad.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Killer robot posted:

I was trying to look up details on what's changed and I found this utterly useless AI created article. The images in it are amazing:

https://www.lihpao.com/how-much-does-a-stinger-missile-cost/




Oh hey finally I’m havingg a strokshhxbb

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/DakotaVAdams/status/1660712138170855424

Son and ex-wife of the Oathkeeper founder, I read a great profile of them last year.



It's funny and sad in equal measure, and these kids Went Through It

zoux fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 22, 2023

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
JUST as afraid? Not sure I believe that

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

madmatt112 posted:

loving real wages not even close to keeping up with ordinance values, what a sham economy.

I really is.

I don't blame my parents and grandparents for the advice they gave me. Go to school, get a good job with a big company, earn a pension (lol), be loyal and retire but whoo boy where they ever loving wrong.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

BiggerBoat posted:

I really is.

I don't blame my parents and grandparents for the advice they gave me. Go to school, get a good job with a big company, earn a pension (lol), be loyal and retire but whoo boy where they ever loving wrong.

They should've told you to buy Stinger missiles in the 80s.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Say you hate communism enough and Reagan gave you them for free.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

mobby_6kl posted:

They should've told you to buy Stinger missiles in the 80s.

The corrupt judicial system refused to listen to my explanation of the explosive heavy investment plan.

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

Murgos posted:

And nothing else has happened in the last 30 years that would also cause the price to go up? Seems a but disingenuous to not discuss the multiple upgrades the missile has had that could increase the cost.

It's not just upgrades, it's also a different industrial base. The US stopped manufacturing Stingers in 2003 so now we need to redevelop the industrial base needed. But yes also the consolidation of the defense industry after the end of the Cold War has been a huge problem.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

madmatt112 posted:

loving real wages not even close to keeping up with ordinance values, what a sham economy.

And every time this comes up in regular conversation, all I hear are workers talking about how nobody (else) wants to work and that the solution in America is to just work harder and earn it. Then you point out how wages consistently fail to keep pace with worker productivity and usually what I get are questions about the source rather than what the numbers say.

We have a lot of turnover at my current job and, of course, none of it is ever the fault of the company, the way they treat workers or any of the bullshit they routinely pull. Nope, just lazy workers from top to bottom apparently. At a certain point, doesn't it become obvious when this regularly happens that the problem is the JOB itself? Kind of along the lines where if you think everyone in a room is an rear end in a top hat, then you're the rear end in a top hat?

Unless for some reason you're at CPAC or the RNC I mean.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It's even more ridiculous that we'll spend billions to send this aid overseas while hard working men and women right here in America can't even afford surplus 88 guns much less modern urban-capable AA defense systems

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1659020870692532224

Lmao

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 23, 2023

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/cameronwilson/status/1661146439270150144

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

BiggerBoat posted:

And every time this comes up in regular conversation, all I hear are workers talking about how nobody (else) wants to work and that the solution in America is to just work harder and earn it. Then you point out how wages consistently fail to keep pace with worker productivity and usually what I get are questions about the source rather than what the numbers say.

We have a lot of turnover at my current job and, of course, none of it is ever the fault of the company, the way they treat workers or any of the bullshit they routinely pull. Nope, just lazy workers from top to bottom apparently. At a certain point, doesn't it become obvious when this regularly happens that the problem is the JOB itself? Kind of along the lines where if you think everyone in a room is an rear end in a top hat, then you're the rear end in a top hat?

Unless for some reason you're at CPAC or the RNC I mean.

I like to have these sorts of conversations with people too, and I have had no success whatsoever. Use data to back up those points? Obviously biased liberal elites, can't be trusted.

Care about higher wages? Too lazy.

Care about better work/life balance? WAY too loving lazy!

Universal healthcare or some kind of healthcare reform? They worked loving hard to get a job with healthcare!

The people that most consistently agree about this stuff seem to mostly have graduate degrees and already have high paying jobs, good work/life balance, and good healthcare options. Anecdotally from talking to people here in Seattle anyway.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

A ton of people base their entire self worth on who they're better than. For a lot of struggling working class folks that means comparing themselves to minimum wage slaves with no benefits. They personally have a horrible life and a rising tide at the bottom end of labour would absolutely lift them as well, but it would narrow the gap between them and the bottom which upsets them more.

There's a shocking number of people who rather earn 40k a year when the average is 30k rather than make 50k year when the average is also 50k. It's not the direct personal material benefits, its their place in the social/economic hierarchy.

GPTribefan
Jul 2, 2007
Something witty yet inspirational about the Cleveland Indians

Mustang posted:

I like to have these sorts of conversations with people too, and I have had no success whatsoever. Use data to back up those points? Obviously biased liberal elites, can't be trusted.

Care about higher wages? Too lazy.

Care about better work/life balance? WAY too loving lazy!

Universal healthcare or some kind of healthcare reform? They worked loving hard to get a job with healthcare!

The people that most consistently agree about this stuff seem to mostly have graduate degrees and already have high paying jobs, good work/life balance, and good healthcare options. Anecdotally from talking to people here in Seattle anyway.

It’s FYGM in full effect. These people have been trained by the far right to believe that if someone of “lower social stature” gets something, it HAS to mean something is being taken away from you. So they consistently protest increases in Medicaid benefits, minimum wage, medical benefits, etc because it means they’re losing something. They usually perceive that as “social standing”, as if the people “below them” gets raised up, it ACTUALLY means they are being “brought down”

They refuse to understand the concept of “if minimum wage/Medicaid benefits get better, it doesn’t lower my value, it means that I too should be seeking more value for what I do/provide”. But nope - it’s the greedy poors/ minorities/immigrants/insert-scapegoat-here ruining everything for them and ruining the economy/causing price increases/bankrupting business owners/insert-false-outcome-here

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Mustang posted:


The people that most consistently agree about this stuff seem to mostly have graduate degrees and already have high paying jobs, good work/life balance, and good healthcare options. Anecdotally from talking to people here in Seattle anyway.

See, that's the weird thing about it to me. It could just be the circles I run in, the nature of my job and not being employed in a high income bracket, but I hear this "everyone is lazy" and "work harder" poo poo from low income types who live paycheck to paycheck. They think they can't get a raise because of the welfare state and are often the types of people who think they'll lose money if they get a raise due to a higher tax bracket.

Like, for me, it's mostly coming from people who could really use some extra time off, better healthcare coverage and who mostly have a Bachelor's degree at best. They hate their jobs but are convinced that working themselves to death is a badge of honor and not enough people are working hard enough like them. LOTS of lower to middle income types voting red in my neck of the woods and gladly espousing the virtues of 50 hour work weeks, even if they hate every moment of it.

EDIT:

And all this is completely ignoring the fact that any policy that might actually make their lives easier has the SOCIALISM boogeyman label attached to it. Even though they have no problem with our socialist military, police department and fire department.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 24, 2023

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1661488252363350016

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice

The proper response.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

GPTribefan posted:

It’s FYGM in full effect. These people have been trained by the far right to believe that if someone of “lower social stature” gets something, it HAS to mean something is being taken away from you. So they consistently protest increases in Medicaid benefits, minimum wage, medical benefits, etc because it means they’re losing something. They usually perceive that as “social standing”, as if the people “below them” gets raised up, it ACTUALLY means they are being “brought down”

They refuse to understand the concept of “if minimum wage/Medicaid benefits get better, it doesn’t lower my value, it means that I too should be seeking more value for what I do/provide”. But nope - it’s the greedy poors/ minorities/immigrants/insert-scapegoat-here ruining everything for them and ruining the economy/causing price increases/bankrupting business owners/insert-false-outcome-here

You wouldn't be surprised at how easy it is to turn white people against things like minimum wage, health care benefits, etc., once you get them to realize that minorities also benefit from those things.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/06/08/616684259/why-more-white-americans-are-opposing-government-welfare-programs

V-Men fucked around with this message at 10:21 on May 26, 2023

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
https://twitter.com/hunter_hhhh/status/1660885475874467840

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


https://twitter.com/nikkimcr/status/1662132404859944963?s=46&t=6HOSYVrXffESMo0NlyR0Lg

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


Seriouspost: is.that not just "inflation"?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Greedflation is Greedood!

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

My heart's tellin' me no, but my balance, my balance tellin' me yes

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Seriouspost: is.that not just "inflation"?

In modern economics, inflation is traditionally thought to be propelled by workers asking for higher wages, which drives a process economists call the wage-price spiral in which workers asking for higher wages forces companies to increase prices, which leads to workers asking for higher wages, and so on. "Greedflation" is a new term used by orthodox economists to describe inflation that's instead driven primarily by corporate profiteering in a process they called the profit-price spiral: corporations see that consumers expect prices to go up, so they raise prices accordingly, etc.

I listen to a lot of mainstream economics podcasts and it's been at turns fascinating, hilarious, and deeply depressing to see how the whole inflation narrative has developed coming out of the pandemic. The line for ages was that supply chain disruption was the instigating factor but that the wage-price spiral was driving everything. But rigorous academic research has in recent months demonstrated clearly that corporate profiteering has been one of if not the main driver of sustained inflation since 2020. And yet, mainstream economists still bend over backwards to defend corporations by explaining that this is the result of businesses anticipating higher costs because of inflation, rather than, you know, exploiting the situation for the short-term profits that capitalism incentivizes.

Basically, economics as a discipline treats corporate profit seeking as an organic force of nature that can only be described neutrally, whereas workers seeking higher wages is unnatural; in orthodox capitalist economics, nothing can be done about the former, whereas a lot can--and should--be done about the latter.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

yeah I think the question was pointing out that this is what inflation always was, just not on the scale of six shipping companies forming a cartel and raising prices eighteen times

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

V-Men posted:

You wouldn't be surprised at how easy it is to turn white people against things like minimum wage, health care benefits, etc., once you get them to realize that minorities also benefit from those things.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/06/08/616684259/why-more-white-americans-are-opposing-government-welfare-programs

I know there've been studies done where they ask people if they'd accept some huge amount of money, like $50,000. But someone they hated got $100,000.

A shocking percentage of people said no. Just to spite their imaginary enemy.

These people are just aliens to me.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.




a classic post that aged like a fine wine, elevated to a piece of art by the modern garnish of an nft avatar

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I know there've been studies done where they ask people if they'd accept some huge amount of money, like $50,000. But someone they hated got $100,000.

A shocking percentage of people said no. Just to spite their imaginary enemy.

To quote an old post, this is called having a job.


Those these days, the person you hate the most, gets 100,000,000, not 100,000.

FiftyFour
Jan 26, 2006
Tosspot

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I know there've been studies done where they ask people if they'd accept some huge amount of money, like $50,000. But someone they hated got $100,000.

A shocking percentage of people said no. Just to spite their imaginary enemy.

These people are just aliens to me.

Apparently there’s a an old Yugoslav joke that says the devil offered a Serb anything he wanted, but his Croat neighbour would get double. The Serb replies ‘poke out one of my eyes’

samcarsten
Sep 13, 2022

by vyelkin

FiftyFour posted:

Apparently there’s a an old Yugoslav joke that says the devil offered a Serb anything he wanted, but his Croat neighbour would get double. The Serb replies ‘poke out one of my eyes’

I’ve always heard that joke involving poles and Russians.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1663363451387822081?s=20

They’re turning the chicken sandwiches woke!

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Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

samcarsten posted:

I’ve always heard that joke involving poles and Russians.

I've heard it as a worker and their boss, which I appreciated.

It was also three wishes and the third was "Beat me half to death."

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