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Buffer posted:way down. Covid erased 30 years of gains and we are back to the 80s on the actuary tables and I imagine deaths of despair, aka ‘system working as intended’, will only continue if not accelerate so just lol lmao I guess I’d thought we lost a bit due to COVID but hadn’t realized it was that bad goddamn
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Jun 20, 2023 23:05
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Vox Nihili posted:There's maybe a point to be made re: more exploitation of labor w/r/t coal in particular because it's an operation that's heavy on labor and light on capital expenses relative to other energy sources so there is arguably more capacity for exploitation (and accompanying profits) so maybe that's what the OP was getting at. It's part of why coal mining has such a rich labor history (or rather, a bitter history). Some types of industry are inherently more suited for squeezing profit out of workers than others. Yes, I think that's what I was trying to articulate. Like, coal makes a loving mess, is horrible PR, and isn't even that good of a fuel, so why not jump on nuclear? The answer is you can't get millions of Appalachians to enrich uranium for a gigajoule per penny or whatever, more high tech energy industries require less exploitable labor at this current time. So get the cheap poo poo using the most exploitable labor you can find. I get it now, thank you.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:07
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https://twitter.com/PatBlanchfield/status/1671262497062412293 Hmmmmm, who could have seen this coming? 
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Jun 20, 2023 23:13
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Real hurthling! posted:
Isn't that carbon fibre?
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Jun 20, 2023 23:13
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Probably a minor point of safety but should that sub been colored something other than white? Is there some regulation on this that was ignored or didn't apply? On the remote possibility that the sub surfaced and is bobbing around, I would imagine that white sub would blend in with the white caps of the sea.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:13
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Frosted Flake posted:Isn't that carbon fibre? its 5 inches of carbon fiber. only the dome ends are titanium quote:Engineered and built by OceanGate, Titan, is comprised of carbon fiber and titanium. The filament wound cylinder that forms the center section of the pressure vessel is 5" thick and made from over 800 layers of carbon fiber material. The entire pressure vessel is comprised of two titanium hemispheres, two matching titanium interface rings, and the 142 cm (56") internal diameter, 2.4-m (100") long carbon fiber wound cylinder – the largest such device ever built for use in a manned submersible. The use of carbon fiber reduces the overall weight compared to other deep-sea submersibles.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:18
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they find the sub and the guys are initially nowhere to be found but they left behind a series of cassette tapes where they each narrate their thoughts and react to things happening
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Jun 20, 2023 23:18
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https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html Innovation and Classing When OceanGate was founded the goal was to pursue the highest reasonable level of innovation in the design and operation of manned submersibles. By definition, innovation is outside of an already accepted system. However, this does not mean that OceanGate does meet standards where they apply, but it does mean that innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm. While classing agencies are willing to pursue the certification of new and innovative designs and ideas, they often have a multi-year approval cycle due to a lack of pre-existing standards, especially, for example, in the case of many of OceanGate’s innovations, such as carbon fiber pressure vessels and a real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring system. Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation. For example, Space X, Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic all rely on experienced inside experts to oversee the daily operations, testing, and validation versus bringing in outsiders who need to first be educated before being qualified to ‘validate’ any innovations.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:21
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Vox Nihili posted:https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html Oh no they invented this? Yeah, they've been dead for days now.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:24
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Antonymous posted:its 5 inches of carbon fiber. only the dome ends are titanium oh, oh no. this whole time I thought it was carbon fiber inside a titanium tube
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Jun 20, 2023 23:24
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh, oh no. this whole time I thought it was carbon fiber inside a titanium tube Yeah same. That seems really, really bad.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:25
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The abyssopelagic zone would like to extend its sincerest gratitude for the sudden influx of nutrientsVox Nihili posted:https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html So they have a system they says "Hull Integrity at 50%"?
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Jun 20, 2023 23:27
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They built a submarine by sticking two titanium shells together with fiberglass tape and expensive super glue and it killed four billionaires
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Jun 20, 2023 23:27
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mycomancy posted:Yes, I think that's what I was trying to articulate. Like, coal makes a loving mess, is horrible PR, and isn't even that good of a fuel, so why not jump on nuclear? The answer is you can't get millions of Appalachians to enrich uranium for a gigajoule per penny or whatever, more high tech energy industries require less exploitable labor at this current time. So get the cheap poo poo using the most exploitable labor you can find. I get it now, thank you. It's a reasonable concept to articulate, but otoh you can't look at poo poo like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant which racked up endless billable hours on cost-plus contracts, and conclude "yes, nuclear power just doesn't involve very much exploitable labor".
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Jun 20, 2023 23:28
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skooma512 posted:The abyssopelagic zone would like to extend its sincerest gratitude for the sudden influx of nutrients
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Jun 20, 2023 23:28
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Vox Nihili posted:https://oceangate.com/news-and-media/blog/2019-0221-why-titan-is-not-classed.html there’s a word “seaworthy”. as a marine professional and one that worked for fifteen years directly in service of the safety of life at sea… the only folks that have any business saying any vessel intended to be operated out in bluewater is “seaworthy” are the classification societies. this is the reason for that.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:28
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someone make a Wikipedia article for “billionaire falls”
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Jun 20, 2023 23:28
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it’s funny that he wrote all that and then also fired his safety employee who said it was unsafe
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Jun 20, 2023 23:29
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cat botherer posted:Yeah those people were right. Yeah Obama basically tried to kill/privatize Social Security. The only reason it didn’t happen is Republicans didn’t want to give a black Democrat a win, even though they would have gotten everything they wanted. Also isn’t carbon fiber strong but also brittle? Like I imagine there was no movie style scene where the characters hear the hull creeking. Someone probably accidentally bumped the gamer monitor screwed into the hull, causing enough of a crack that the whole thing imploded immediately.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:29
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Bar Ran Dun posted:there’s a word “seaworthy”. as a marine professional and one that worked for fifteen years directly in service of the safety of life at sea… The Coast Guard does it largely so they don't have to go and fish out all the people who's ships their employers/owners cheaped out on, and even then.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:30
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PostNouveau posted:Rescued alive so we can get some interviews with these dipshits now that everyone knows how big of dipshits they are  this is the funniest outcome.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:30
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The funniest outcome is the sub is found, but only 1 person is alive and it is obvious they murdered each other.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:34
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Vox Nihili posted:When OceanGate was founded the goal was to pursue the highest reasonable level of innovation "First, they think you're crazy, then they fight you, and then you change the world", I mutter, as I close the toilet lid and butt-scooch from the Observation Deck back to my knock-off xbox controller
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Jun 20, 2023 23:35
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why did he want to make the submarine "lightweight," that seems... unimportant. you just add or remove ballast. you don't have to be aerodynamic or anything really
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Jun 20, 2023 23:35
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i think we need to consider free market solutions to the sub problem
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Jun 20, 2023 23:35
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Mr Hootington posted:The funniest outcome is the sub is found, but only 1 person is alive and it is obvious they murdered each other.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:36
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I didn't hear about the carbon fiber hull until just now and lol, they're not gonna find poo poo then. Not even enough to find a capsule on the ocean floor, they need to find the two endcaps because that hull shattered. It happens to bicycle and car parts all the time and they're sharp.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:36
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Over 11 decades later and the titanic still at it
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Jun 20, 2023 23:36
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FlapYoJacks posted:If humans disappeared in a day the world would be on fire and a radioactive wasteland a year later. Maybe a few thousand years later it would be safe again for life. It would still be a better alternative than letting us keep doubling the amount of plastic produced every decade
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Jun 20, 2023 23:37
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skooma512 posted:
In the CBS Sunday Morning piece from last year their reporter was shown cracking a joke about 'hull integrity holding' during a dive. I guess he was referencing that system.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:37
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That poo poo is a crushed coke can on the seabed with 5 humans worth of goo inside
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Jun 20, 2023 23:38
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Egg Moron posted:That poo poo is a crushed coke can on the seabed with 5 humans worth of goo inside Highly doubtful All the goo would have leaked out and been eaten by sealife by now
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Jun 20, 2023 23:39
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Egg Moron posted:That poo poo is a crushed coke can on the seabed with 5 humans worth of goo inside They wish it was that. It's the two endcaps kilometers apart with a bunch of sharp carbon fiber shards strewn around. Hopefully there's no whales around to eat the shards.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:39
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Egg Moron posted:That poo poo is a crushed coke can on the seabed with 5 humans worth of goo inside Close, billionaires aren't human.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:41
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skooma512 posted:They wish it was that. It's the two endcaps kilometers apart with a bunch of sharp carbon fiber shards strewn around. Hopefully there's no whales around to eat the shards. I bet there was at least one actual coke can somewhere on the scene tho
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Jun 20, 2023 23:41
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skooma512 posted:The Coast Guard does it largely so they don't have to go and fish out all the people who's ships their employers/owners cheaped out on, and even then. The coast guard is a flag state /competent authority. they still defer to the classification societies and accept their certificates. this sub didn’t have to be inspected or classed. But it should have been.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:42
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And you know that poo poo got crushed
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Jun 20, 2023 23:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxBGgw8eeAQ If American optimism is pathological, I guess this is them projecting eh? They're downcast Chinese "excess savings" haven't turned into consumer spending.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:44
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Bar Ran Dun posted:this sub didn’t have to be inspected or classed. But it should have been. disagree
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Jun 20, 2023 23:44
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:if the suffocation doesn't get them the blood clots will even an electric chair lets you sit for your last moments
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