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RandomBlue posted:finally a solution: Yeah woohoo white power! Christ.
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Jul 18, 2023 18:28
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Honky Mao posted:DIM! THAT! SUN!!! Mmmmmm, I could go for some dim sun.
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Jul 18, 2023 18:28
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cash crab posted:... 152??????? https://www.weather.gov/ama/heatindex
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Jul 18, 2023 18:30
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it's not even ON THE CHART 
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Jul 18, 2023 18:32
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Zeta Taskforce posted:There is no downside to painting surfaces white. Wrong. This is exactly the one sided logic that got us into this place. Transportation emissions, production emissions, even the costs and risks of applying that paint are downsides. Applying paint can make things worse not better if the emissions related to getting the paint cause more warming than the increase in albedo prevents. Then there are the local risks, risks to the workers (hope the paint isn’t a carcinogen) and the risks to the local environment. Roads are equipped with storm drains after all, hope no one tips over the bucket. And of course there are still the end of life costs. Remember, paint doesn’t last forever. Does the paint need to be stripped at end of life? What are the life cycle emissions of the paint stripper? Is it an oil based paint? An acrylic paint? Will painting the roads mean in 5 years we’ve just created a new source of aerosolized plastic pollution all over town? We’ve done this short sighted “we need to do something, might as well try the easiest thing!” over and over again. Spraying PCB oil on roads, spraying frac water on roads, and painting the roads is just the newest version of that.
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Jul 18, 2023 18:34
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Hm. I hear you. So I'm thinking..... dye the oceans white maybe?
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Jul 18, 2023 18:37
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Nuke the USA down to bedrock. Problem solved.
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Jul 18, 2023 18:39
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Zeta Taskforce posted:There is no downside to painting surfaces white. it looks like poo poo
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Jul 18, 2023 18:47
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cash crab posted:it's not even ON THE CHART  UNCHARTED TERRITORY
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Jul 18, 2023 18:52
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Trabisnikof posted:Wrong. This is exactly the one sided logic that got us into this place. I'm not aware of paint being a major carcinogen, which is a good thing because looking out my window now and I see painted surfaces as far as the eye can see. I am sitting in a room where all the walls and ceiling are painted. I am surrounded by paint on 5 sides, or really every side when you consider that the floor below me has a ceiling that is painted. I'm guessing that if you're inside you are surrounded on all sides by paint too. There are millions of people worldwide who already make a living painting things, part of their job is scrapping off old paint, they are not dropping dead. Producing paint does not contribute meaningfully to emissions. If a building on a hot day is 10 degrees cooler than it otherwise would be, the energy needed to produce, transport and apply the paint would be paid back in one days worth of reduced cooling needs. I was not aware that we were mixing PCB oil or frac water in our paint. Its not a solution to address global warming, its a low tech solution to make individual buildings more comfortable. It is so depressing to witness first hand the climate changing in front of my eyes and then see all these charts that back up my worst fears, and be told that literally anything anyone does on any scale somehow makes the problem even worse. mags posted:it looks like poo poo True, I just resided my house with blue cement board siding
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Jul 18, 2023 18:58
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Danru posted:*slaps roof of the earth* Boy Mercury shooting through every degree Oh girl dancing down those dirty and dusty trails Take it hip to hip, rocket through the wilderness Around the world the trip begins with a kiss Dome if you want to Dome around the world
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Jul 18, 2023 18:59
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I'm screaming and charting over here!
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Jul 18, 2023 19:04
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Re: the paint thing Weve spent a fuckload of time and effort working on permeable concrete mixes because it turns out turning whole cities into flood spill ways was a bad idea. The paint is incompatible with a permeable surface.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:05
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SplitSoul posted:I'm screaming and charting over here! one thing at a time. be sure to hydrate between screams.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:05
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SplitSoul posted:I'm screaming and charting over here! Biosphere Collapse: Scraeming and Charting
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Jul 18, 2023 19:08
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Just a Moron posted:The soviets demonstrated that it is possible to build large modern housing projects on the cheap. People poo poo on the soviet block housing, but it was a god send for countless Russian villagers and would absolutely be an upgrade for millions of people living in the u.s. today, not to mention people from the global south. Finland was built full of soviet housing too, just a bit better quality. The upgrade from old buildings was a significant one. In peak year in 1974 74000 apartments were built. It would be hard to achieve with any other methods.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:09
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cash crab posted:it's not even ON THE CHART we need a :hailsatan: smiley for climate change
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Jul 18, 2023 19:09
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I thought paint fumes did cause cancer, actually, and that was why people used to wear masks when painting houses or rooms.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:11
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Wowee Zowee!
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Jul 18, 2023 19:12
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 quote:COLUMBUS, Ohio – Superhero and crusader for the environment Captain Planet is reportedly ready to throw in the towel on his quest to conserve nature’s infinite beauty, several smog-induced hacking sources report. https://thehardtimes.net/culture/after-30-plus-years-captain-planet-finally-just-says-gently caress-it-were-toast/
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Jul 18, 2023 19:17
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silicone thrills posted:Re: the paint thing In our new world where 100 year floods are happening a couple times a decade, permeable concrete is another form of mitigation. That has to take priority. That said, I hope my roof isn't permeable. Colin Mockery posted:I thought paint fumes did cause cancer, actually, and that was why people used to wear masks when painting houses or rooms. Professional painters are not out there with brushes and rollers, some of it does get aerosolized. Even if it doesn't cause cancer they still don't want to breath it.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:20
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https://twitter.com/BBCScienceNews/status/1681365271737499648?s=20 A good way to preserve the dead
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Jul 18, 2023 19:22
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Zeta Taskforce posted:Really it would be worse than business as usual because it would take away the urgency to act. What urgency to act lol
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Jul 18, 2023 19:30
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Rip Testes posted:Wowee Zowee! Addendum: Zoinks!
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Jul 18, 2023 19:30
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Unless posted:
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Jul 18, 2023 19:32
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The Oldest Man posted:What urgency to act lol Lmao
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Jul 18, 2023 19:38
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but that’s just the surface of the sea. what about measuring the deeper parts, and hey… why aren’t you including data back to the birth of Christ? I think if you did you’d find other anomalies so we are fine, actually
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Jul 18, 2023 19:38
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actually, why don’t we paint the ocean surface white? has anybody thought of that yet? maybe by using a bunch of plastic balls that coat the surface like that one reservoir did???
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Jul 18, 2023 19:40
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the only constant is change. that is reflected in the feedback we've seen so far.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:40
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I actually would like a longer x axis. Doubt it would bring any comfort but it's worth a try
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Jul 18, 2023 19:40
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Zeta Taskforce posted:In our new world where 100 year floods are happening a couple times a decade, permeable concrete is another form of mitigation. That has to take priority. That said, I hope my roof isn't permeable. You are also missing the possibilities like what we found out with car tire chemicals - what is the total effect on the environment? It took us like 60 years to realize the salmon are wasting and dying in the PNW because of car tires. Anyway you seem obnoxious so that's it for engagement for me. Lets just keep kicking that can down the road and not do anything about the real problems - fossil fuels and the developed world using more than our fair share of the resources.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:42
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To clarify my original point: climate change (in the sense of globally higher temperatures and destabilized weather) is going to act to limit the upward spiral of CO2 emissions by killing us in large numbers via starvation. "Fixing" that via temperature control methods that don't address CO2 emissions will simply allow that emission spiral to continue longer before collapse and push the global climate system further into CO2 overshoot. A concerted effort at geoengineering that actually works will - at best - buy humans another few decades of party time at the cost of upgrading our upcoming mass extinction from a very mild (pleasant almost) Kačák Event to a refreshingly brisk Permian-Triassic boundary.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:43
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Ruggan posted:actually, why don’t we paint the ocean surface white? has anybody thought of that yet? lol the plastic balls into reservoirs thing still crack pings me. Microplastics in trade for lower evaporation rates. Is it worth it? https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/california-drought/great-balls-water-millions-shade-spheres-afloat-l-reservoirs-n409306
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Jul 18, 2023 19:44
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what if we put a bunch of reflective particles in the ocean… like a fuckton of glitter maybe… I bet that would help!
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Jul 18, 2023 19:44
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Fell Mood posted:Hm. I hear you. So I'm thinking..... dye the oceans white maybe? damnit man… I was gonna patent the idea but I guess you beat me to it
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Jul 18, 2023 19:47
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just pour milk into the ocean, duh
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Jul 18, 2023 19:48
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This headline is cracking me up https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/business/blackrock-names-board-member-amin-nasser-saudi-aramco/index.html quote:BlackRock made a climate pledge. Then it appointed a Saudi oil executive to its board like uhhh duh of course they did that
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Jul 18, 2023 19:51
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Danru posted:*slaps roof of the earth* Soon it'll just be two heat domes, opposed. We call that a heat sphere
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Jul 18, 2023 19:54
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It's literally the CEO who took Saudi Aramco public lmao
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Jul 18, 2023 19:55
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The Oldest Man posted:The funniest part about aerosol injection and white paint is that even if it does work with zero side effects all that does is let the party continue a couple extra years until CO2 ocean acidification wipes out all marine life Quite frankly I can’t be the only one that would finally be able to enjoy the ocean and all it has to offer knowing that nothing creepy will bite me. Could finally go snorkeling and see all the cool poo poo down there!
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Jul 18, 2023 19:56
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