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Maxwell Lord posted:Honestly some of the early CZW shows have some promise, both it and ROH started off basically trying to fill the void left by ECW. There was some decent talent there. Oh yeah people like Steen, LuFisto, Claudio and Eddie had matches there (Punk too for a brief moment) but I think most/all of them left for ROH shortly after. In Claudio and Eddie's case iirc they were treated like poo poo on the way out and never returned; the company by all means destroyed a lot of goodwill. I'm mostly talking about the Zandig-owned days and some of the early years when DJ Hyde owned it afterwards, I have no clue how much it improved in the last 5 or 6 years
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The first place I ever heard of CZW was Botchamania, and the coverage was... not flattering (naturally, but it became synonymous with "guys hitting each other with stupid stuff and jumping off of things while almost dying"). That's probably coloured my view, as well as many others.
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Jul 27, 2023 20:55
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That’s the most glowing review of CZW I’ve ever read
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DLC Inc posted:Mox was a CZW guy so any/all caveman poo poo about him will never surprise me. The only surprising thing is that someone who came out of that fed made it so far, he was the crown jewel of a dungheap This is such a 2011-rear end take. CZW had tons of great talent throughout, and most of today's stars that are getting big shots like MJF, Adam Cole, Dezmond Xavier, Sami Callihan, Private Party, and far more were all wrestling there in 2017. 2017 CZW especially was a hotbed of talent along with PWG just before All In and AEW. They're not all Cage Of Death matches. This isn't NWA Mountain State. Erin M. Fiasco fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Jul 27, 2023 21:00
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:This is such a 2011-rear end take. CZW had tons of great talent throughout, and most of today's stars that are getting big shots like MJF, Adam Cole, Dezmond Xavier, Sami Callihan, Private Party, and far more were all wrestling there in 2017. 2017 CZW especially was a hotbed of talent along with PWG just before All In and AEW. They're not all Cage Of Death matches. This isn't NWA Mountain State. Though to be fair, it was marred by absolutely terrible crowds.
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Jul 27, 2023 21:06
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:This is such a 2011-rear end take. CZW had tons of great talent throughout, and most of today's stars that are getting big shots like MJF, Adam Cole, Dezmond Xavier, Sami Callihan, Private Party, and far more were all wrestling there in 2017. 2017 CZW especially was a hotbed of talent along with PWG just before All In and AEW. They're not all Cage Of Death matches. This isn't NWA Mountain State. skate zone was good times
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Suplex Liberace posted:skate zone was good times It really felt like an incredible era, and the people behind the scenes were poised to run the world. The locker room energy was hot. It still warms my heart to see Ace Austin killing it in Impact and Japan. I could only make it to one show and it was to work the merch table but it was electric. The pandemic put an end to it way too quickly. Man, I miss Ace Romero. Lumbermouth posted:Though to be fair, it was marred by absolutely terrible crowds. You're too right here.  Reprehensible poo poo chanted constantly. One of my good friends was just coming out as gay when Jake Crist debuted his Artist gimmick there and got some violently homophobic chants and it messed him up. Sucked. Great product, horrendous fans.
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Jul 27, 2023 21:20
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:You're too right here. Oh the crowds I got weren’t even homophobic, they were just dead silent for two loving hours. I don’t even know why they were there.
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Jul 27, 2023 21:37
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tbh I was moreso talking about the era of CZW where Zandig owned it and a guy named the loving Wifebeater was on the roster lol, which was pretty much the timeframe when Mox was around
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Jul 27, 2023 21:38
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I liked it when the guy got airhorned every time he tried to speak
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Lumbermouth posted:Adam Cole and MJF are both CZW products. Cole is a CZW dojo product but MJF was a Create a Pro guy, he just had success in CZW
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Jul 27, 2023 22:08
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I watched CZW off and on back in the day and it felt like for every decent prospect there were five guys in track pants who couldn't run the ropes, and the fans were dickheads who didn't seem to really like wrestling all that much.
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DLC Inc posted:Mox was a CZW guy so any/all caveman poo poo about him will never surprise me. The only surprising thing is that someone who came out of that fed made it so far, he was the crown jewel of a dungheap Is this your attitude about Adam Cole, the Briscoes, MJF, and dozens of other wrestlers who started in or got their first big break in CZW?
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Lumbermouth posted:Oh the crowds I got weren’t even homophobic, they were just dead silent for two loving hours. I don’t even know why they were there. Were they all wearing Green Lantern shirts and looking at their watches?
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Jul 27, 2023 22:50
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CZW also had some amazing Joey Janela vs Lio Rush matches
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DLC Inc posted:tbh I was moreso talking about the era of CZW where Zandig owned it and a guy named the loving Wifebeater was on the roster lol, which was pretty much the timeframe when Mox was around Chris Hero's name when he started wrestling was Wifebeater, so at one point in the US Indies in '99 there was a Wifebeater in the Philly/New Jersey scene & then one in the Mid-West scene. CZW is a weird company. It was scummy but no more than a lot of indy companies at the time. Ultimately despite everything it was a place a lot of really good wrestlers first caught on, especially that period where Mike Burns was booking the stuff Zandig wasn't interested in because he'd just book poo poo that would sell DVDs & that meant bringing in the Canadian crew like Sexxxy Eddy, Steen, Generico, Franky The Mobster, the Californians like Super Dragon & Excalibur, guys from Chikara like Claudio & Quack. And going back further to the very early days you'd have guys like Amazing Red, you'd have teenage Briscoes, you'd have the world's best bad wrestler Ric Blade who was trying poo poo he had no physical ability to do but he'd try anyway god dammit. CZW gets more poo poo than it deserves, though it definitely does deserve some, it was a wrestling company after all.
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CZW was incredibly successful for a few years, and at other points. It was really good at some of these points, probably more entertaining than a lot of early ROH and sometimes less homophobic. It was also really bad a lot of the time too. But overall it might be the second most important US indie, either CZW or IWA MS.
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https://twitter.com/OBEYBrookes/status/1684558539115859969?t=jwGKMFrbQQuAjpiAK7CB_g&s=19 Intergalactic dream match
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xpostGambit from the X-Men posted:i got my mom to cross-stitch something for my spouse's birthday. i thought you all would like it.
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My view of CZW might have been coloured by Botchamania like a filthy casual, but my view of IWA MS being coloured by that time they actually beat the poo poo of an Internet nerd was discovered independently, drat it!
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/OBEYBrookes/status/1684558539115859969?t=jwGKMFrbQQuAjpiAK7CB_g&s=19 Nice try, Chris, we know that you're a Thin Man.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:My view of CZW might have been coloured by Botchamania like a filthy casual, but my view of IWA MS being coloured by that time they actually beat the poo poo of an Internet nerd was discovered independently, drat it! On the one hand, IWAMS paid like poo poo, if at all, on the other hand Eddie Kingston vs Chris Hero in a last man standing match from one of the TPI shows is one of the best matches I've seen in a US indy so it's impossible for me to actually hate IWA. Although Ian's long winded "motivational" in-ring promos were never nit dogshit
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IWA-MS also gave us the youtube video "CM Punk: People Person"
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the only czw show i went to i saw adam cole against i wanna say alex colon but that might be wrong, other guys from the card that stand out were rich swann, robert anthony, jon moxley, eddie kingston, sami callihan, and RUCKUS.
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A lot of early CZW and IWA-MS stuff was really great.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:the only czw show i went to i saw adam cole against i wanna say alex colon but that might be wrong, other guys from the card that stand out were rich swann, robert anthony, jon moxley, eddie kingston, sami callihan, and RUCKUS. It's interesting how much more diverse CZW was than the typical indie.
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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1684564862897393666 Imagine going into this thinking it'll be some uplifting sports type movie. This holiday season, give your family the gift of never knowing happiness again.
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I honestly can’t wait to see people’s blind reactions to seeing the Von Erich’s story
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ARMBAR A COP posted:I honestly can’t wait to see people’s blind reactions to seeing the Von Erich’s story I'm sure some of the more sordid stuff will be omitted
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'm sure some of the more sordid stuff will be omitted you could cut the top 90% of the sordid stuff and still end up with utter misery. this'll be fun
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forkboy84 posted:On the one hand, IWAMS paid like poo poo, if at all, on the other hand Eddie Kingston vs Chris Hero in a last man standing match from one of the TPI shows is one of the best matches I've seen in a US indy so it's impossible for me to actually hate IWA. Although Ian's long winded "motivational" in-ring promos were never nit dogshit To be fair I know CZW and IWAMS have had some very good wrestlers, and I have really liked the good stuff of theirs that I've seen, but I'm not a big deathmatch/garbage/etc guy so the very negative stuff probably sticks out to me. I got curious and found the nerd being beaten up in IWAMS! Probably worth  https://streamable.com/1l2lyGambit from the X-Men posted:you could cut the top 90% of the sordid stuff and still end up with utter misery. this'll be fun I'm honestly not sure I'd want to watch it for this exact reason.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:To be fair I know CZW and IWAMS have had some very good wrestlers, and I have really liked the good stuff of theirs that I've seen, but I'm not a big deathmatch/garbage/etc guy so the very negative stuff probably sticks out to me. Uhhh so what’s the story here
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The Von Erich Story directed by Todd Solondz
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Seams posted:The Von Erich Story directed by Todd Solondz lol Jesus
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ARMBAR A COP posted:I honestly can’t wait to see people’s blind reactions to seeing the Von Erich’s story I have a friend who doesn't watch or have any exposure to wrestling at all, but loves things like true crime documentaries. She got hooked on Dark Side of the Ring and I remember her watching the Von Erich one and just messaging me things throughout like "WHAT THE gently caress, ANOTHER ONE?!"
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The release date is December 22nd. Definitely going to bring in money at the Christmas box office
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Sandman McMahon posted:Uhhh so what’s the story here This is purely from what I've read here and elsewhere so anyone is free to correct me: some lad on Myspace begged IWAMS for a match. They put him up against a woman because that's funny and he's a loser, but it turns out this guy doesn't actually know the basics of wrestling, so he ends up hurting her just before she's due to make a TV appearance for TNA. They then decide to punish the guy in some really gross ways that are clearly meant to legitimately hurt him while everyone cheers. The younger lad smacking him with the cane is, I believe, the promoter's son. The promoter (Ian Rotten?) is the man hitting him with the BARBED WIRE CRUTCH. Like I said, I know this is sort of thing isn't representative of the likes of CZW and IWAMS, but it's always the first thing I think of. Gumball Gumption posted:The release date is December 22nd. Definitely going to bring in money at the Christmas box office That might actually be some ingenious promotion. I'm not talking Barbie vs Oppenheimer, but a lot of people hate their families at Christmas! This might reignite something vaguely pleasant.
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