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Taima posted:Wow, so I've posted at length about El Nino in this thread. You can view my other posts for that information. 1997 in CA was one of the best years of my life, magical time to be alive. i'm excited to get another, hopefully on turbo steroids
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:08 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 03:10 |
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I can't remember 1997. Was that the year that all the candles in the house melted
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:13 |
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Taima posted:Wow, so I've posted at length about El Nino in this thread. You can view my other posts for that information. man 1997 was so much water it was insane. our town had this huge pit where all the soccer and baseball fields were, and it had like multiple 15-foot diameter drainage canals, and it still flooded like 10 feet deep. also my dads a landscape architect so he'll get to see how well everything hes designed in the last 25 years handles this poo poo also also glad to be in a place called hillcrest as opposed to anything with the word valley in it
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:15 |
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Sounds like the California drout is over then, what were you doomers so worried about?
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:17 |
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My mom's friend works in hospice care in Phoenix. Like she goes to people's houses to help take care of them. Seems like a tough (but vitally important) job under normal circumstances. I wouldn't want to imagine what it would be like during this heat if the power goes out for any significant amount of time. I'd like to assume they have contingency plans for this sort of thing, like taking them someplace with backup power like a hospital but who knows.
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:22 |
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more like the morgue, by which i obviously mean refrigerated truck
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:24 |
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Sunny Side Up posted:A few days ago we were doing an activity to teach our 3 year old about pollution and while we were able to filter the small cup, the kiddie pool just wouldn’t get clean. Attacking it, scooping it, and dropping in coffee filters in didn’t work. Eventually the only answer was not to have polluted in the first place. Makes you think. (doesn't make everyone think, though)
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:27 |
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netizen posted:My mom's friend works in hospice care in Phoenix. Like she goes to people's houses to help take care of them. Seems like a tough (but vitally important) job under normal circumstances. I wouldn't want to imagine what it would be like during this heat if the power goes out for any significant amount of time. I'd like to assume they have contingency plans for this sort of thing, like taking them someplace with backup power like a hospital but who knows. the patients will be left to die
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:28 |
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https://prospect.org/culture/books/2023-06-02-days-of-plunder-morgenson-rosner-ballou-review/ yeah, not really a biosphere thing but re: the monied overlords quote:PRIVATE EQUITY EXTRACTION IS ESPECIALLY BARBARIC in our woebegone health care system, as Morgenson and Rosner most extensively explore. In a wholesale inversion of the Hippocratic oath, tens of thousands of PE-owned rural and inner-city hospitals, dialysis centers, nursing homes, emergency rooms, and psychiatric hospitals ultimately begin to resemble something like landfills of subprime humanity, with the only alternative for many being the soft euthanasia of PE-owned hospice agencies. warnings for a whole lot of infuriating and needless death and suffering for number
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:32 |
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how do they advise people to use their cars for AC when the power dies? like it seems obvious that, if you own a car, that it is a mobile AC device, but people arent necessarily thinking straight when these events happen. my understanding is that a lot of the deaths from the bad heat waves in europe earlier in the 2000s would have been preventable if people knew more about what they should do. and yeah also you dont want people who know that their car has AC to idle in the garage for several hours cause 'that way im out of the sun' so making sure everyones on the same page seems like a good plan
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:33 |
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Oh good.. if people die from heat, it just means they were too lazy to do this, it's their fault, and we don't have to care.
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 20:46 |
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Taima posted:Wow, so I've posted at length about El Nino in this thread. You can view my other posts for that information. what does that mean for Fall/Winter in the U.S.?
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:10 |
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Just a Moron posted:Sounds like the California drout is over then, what were you doomers so worried about? I know you're joking, but this gets to the core of a big question I have about the broader El Nino & La Nina system. 1) Climate change appears to be modulating how the system functions in terms of how they affect global circulation. For example, the biggest rain years in California recently have actually been La Ninas, not El Ninos, and correspondingly we've had numerous "dud" El Ninos in the past 20 years that have failed to really show the classic effects on, for example, CA rainfall. This El Nino is so strong, I feel pretty confident that it will produce the classic effects, but you never know. poo poo's getting kind of weird. 2) I've mentioned this before, but it sure looks like the 97 El Nino was so strong that it brought us into a La Nina dominated system for the last 30 years, which would be part of the reason why we have trended drought in CA (among other reasons). The burning question imo? If that's true, will this El Nino possibly herald the beginning of another active, rainfall-biased multi year or multi decade era for CA? So hard to say but there are so many questions right now in terms of how this broader system is being affected. Unfortunately we simply don't have enough historic data to fully understand El Nino and La Nina. The TAO Buoy Array was only established in the 80s (TAO is an array of buoys that exist on the equator and track the water temps there, effectively providing data and early warning for El Nino/La Nina events). That means we've only had data for under 40 years, which is jack poo poo when ocean oscillations are seemingly measured in decades or more. err posted:what does that mean for Fall/Winter in the U.S.? Generally speaking, El Nino in the USA means a highly strengthened, relatively flat east to west, and southerly displaced jet stream. Which is to say, generally drier conditions for the northern USA and more precipitation for the southern USA, with greatly strengthened, conveyer-belt like storm corridor and those storms present far further south than normal. For example, highly increased rainfall in southern CA, correspondingly drier conditions in say the PNW. Along with completely and utter life changing surfing for California and many non-shadowed parts of Central America. It also changes the entire world's circulation which means much drier conditions in the normally wet west pacific/maritime continent and a failure of the Indian Monsoon leading to horrible drought, among a million other effects. However as I said with climate change in the mix, its hard to say exactly how it will all interact, but this El Nino is so strong that I would tend to expect closer to normal effects. In essence it should override climate change to a large degree. That's exactly what El Nino does in general; it's a bull in a china shop. It grabs a desert eagle and robs the rest of the world's circulatory systems and violently has its way with them. Taima has issued a correction as of 21:24 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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Microplastics posted:Honestly I'm not even sure we're fully out of the "Climate change isn't real" stage yet there isn't really ever going to be a clear separation like that We've shifted leftward on the acknowledgement of Climate Change in the past 20 years or so. We went from only the fringe left admitting it's an emergency and the center pretending it doesn't exist to now the only people outright refusing to admit climate change is real are the furthest right fringe stereotypes like flat earthers. But then Liberals living in full delusion about clean coal, Electric Vehicles, science fiction technology that doesn't actually exist or anyone that tries to smother anxiety and urgency so they don't have to feel it are on the same level as the people denying the situation too. They are arguing that reality isn't real to pretend they live in a different world than this one so it's not much different.
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:28 |
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:39 |
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i think everyone who knows anythign about whats going on but is still optimistic believes that within a decade or twoo, a cheap and clean and easy and low-energy and scalable way to pull CO2 just out from the air and turn it into big solid carbon cubes will be invented by science. like it is an inevitability that science will rise up to meet the need, whether thats via an increase in funding or an increase in gumption. everything else just gives us more buffer, so its ok if they're all like lovely half measures. electric cars, renewables, painting the roofs white, meatless mondays, etc. just buys some time for science to do its job
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:46 |
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celadon posted:i think everyone who knows anythign about whats going on but is still optimistic believes that within a decade or twoo, a cheap and clean and easy and low-energy and scalable way to pull CO2 just out from the air and turn it into big solid carbon cubes will be invented by science. like it is an inevitability that science will rise up to meet the need, whether thats via an increase in funding or an increase in gumption. love conquers all doomer
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:50 |
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It already did and they rejected it.
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:55 |
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RandomBlue posted:love conquers all doomer ok so we figured out a way to create the worlds new largest carbon capture facility, almost twice the size of the one in iceland, and get this, the whole operation runs off of the suffering of a single immiserated child uh huh so we only need to immiserate like seven hundred thousand more children and we'll be cooking with gas, so to speak
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:55 |
carbon capture won't work alone, even if it could be scalable. the oceans will die and then rise to flood this miserable loving world the animal kingdom might survive but barely
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 21:57 |
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I don't really see a situation in which humans all die but any animals survive It's just gonna be us and whatever animals and plants we are eating
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Communist Thoughts posted:I don't really see a situation in which humans all die but any animals survive jellyfish are some crazy poo poo. also there's lots of other sea animals that could *potentially* survive incredible acidification and warming mostly it depends on how soon the human race is wiped out. if we persist and continue to destroy the environment for more than another century, it'll probably be enough to take down the whole thing
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:22 |
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it's a CRATER. they're supposed to melt
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:32 |
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Taima posted:Along with completely and utter life changing surfing for California and many non-shadowed parts of Central America. bawfuls has issued a correction as of 22:37 on Jul 29, 2023 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:I don't really see a situation in which humans all die but any animals survive i think there wont be anything left thats bigger than a breadbox or so, air land or sea
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:35 |
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lots of poor people like myself have old cars that technically have AC but it doesn't work because the money spent towards recharging or fixing it is more urgently needed buying gas or tires or food
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:41 |
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its going to be suitcase psychs and personal AC's all the way just hope there is enough chew z to go around
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:50 |
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1685389801241870336?s=20
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 22:56 |
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*weatherman voice* Phoenix finally gets relief as rain expected Monday and Tuesday where temperatures will only reach 105°f and 106°f before resuming 112°f to 116°f
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:15 |
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There's a lot of news of "monsoon rains coming!" and I'm not joking, it's 40% rain for 2 days at 105°f minimum before resuming the heat doming
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:20 |
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Hit Man posted:There's a lot of news of "monsoon rains coming!" and I'm not joking, it's 40% rain for 2 days at 105°f minimum before resuming the heat doming at least the rains will bring some much needed humidity right?
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:23 |
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celadon posted:i think there wont be anything left thats bigger than a breadbox or so, air land or sea That leaves dozens of sharks 😎
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:30 |
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RandomBlue posted:love conquers all doomer shame the guardian ran this...checks notes...feminist author's opinion on climate change: We can’t afford to be climate doomers Rebecca Solnit https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/we-cant-afford-to-be-climate-doomers "A lot of people in this society also like certainty and while it’s obviously foolish to be certain we will win, somehow certainty we will lose isn’t subject to the same judgments. That certainty seems to come in part from an assumption that change happens in predictable ways, so we can know the future, or that there are environmental but not social and technological tipping points. But, as the thinktank Carbon Tracker notes “The S-curve is a well-established phenomenon where a successful new technology reaches a certain catalytic tipping point (typically 5-10% market share), and then rapidly reaches a high market share (i.e. 50%+) within just a couple more years once past this tipping point. Solar panels, wind turbines and lithium-ion batteries have all followed such learning curves. Each technology has declined in cost by over 90% in the past two decades. And so their growth has followed an S-curve model.” Change is often not linear but exponential, or it’s unpredictable, like an earthquake releasing centuries of tension. Big changes start small, and history is studded with surprises."
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:35 |
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you idiots. we will obviously see evolutionary pressure that will cause animals to shrink in size again just like they did between now and the paleogene.Rauros posted:shame the guardian ran this...checks notes...feminist author's opinion on climate change: this is literally an argument someone posted in this thread a while ago
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# ? Jul 29, 2023 23:36 |
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last time I was in phoenix I watched it rain and basically evaporate before hitting us from what I could tell. that was 2009
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# ? Jul 30, 2023 00:19 |
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Rauros posted:shame the guardian ran this...checks notes...feminist author's opinion on climate change: It's impossible for solar panels and wind turbines to reach 5-10% (i.e. 50%+) market share. Proof: they're outdoors
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# ? Jul 30, 2023 01:00 |
Rauros posted:shame the guardian ran this...checks notes...feminist author's opinion on climate change: that's the least convincing poo poo I've ever read, even if I didn't know everything I know
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# ? Jul 30, 2023 01:12 |
someone from my academic past asked me today to level with him about my best advice take cover
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Thank you Rebecca
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