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Poppers posted:Keeping multiple boxes of Paxlovid at any one time even when you haven't contracted covid (and might never depending on how extreme your caution is) is hoarding, even if it's not dozens of boxes. I live with someone who has three CDC-listed conditions that increase the likelihood of severe covid, and one more that's probably even worse but rare enough that there are no studies about it and covid, and wasn't able to access prescribed medication in a timely fashion while sick. Is keeping a box of pax in the house so that next time (and given her job, there will absolutely be a next time) we just have it immediately after she talks to her doctor "hoarding"? What about when she needs to travel out of the country to a place where it's not available at all - is taking a course with her also hoarding? People are strawmanning like loving crazy here and I'm genuinely curious if you think people are sitting on a dragon hoard of pills or if you're just casting judgment on others for trying to avoid becoming a statistic in a broken system.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:12
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Poppers posted:Keeping multiple boxes of Paxlovid at any one time even when you haven't contracted covid (and might never depending on how extreme your caution is) is hoarding, even if it's not dozens of boxes. dont care
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Aug 21, 2023 20:15
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first we hoarded the vaccines and now the paxlovid. how many of you are still sitting on pallets of toilet paper and hand sanitizer you jerks
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Aug 21, 2023 20:15
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The Oldest Man posted:I live with someone who has three CDC-listed conditions that increase the likelihood of severe covid, and one more that's probably even worse but rare enough that there are no studies about it and covid, and wasn't able to access prescribed medication in a timely fashion while sick. Is keeping a box of pax in the house so that next time (and given her job, there will absolutely be a next time) we just have it immediately after she talks to her doctor "hoarding"? What about when she needs to travel out of the country to a place where it's not available at all - is taking a course with her also hoarding? I agree with both that and the principle that prescription chat is a bad thing to have on the forums.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:15
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Every course of free Paxlovid you’re sitting on is a free course that someone else won’t have access to in the future is my main objection, beyond the one guy who caught a day probe already. Is your wife having Paxlovid on day 0 vs. day 1 so important that it’s worth someone else maybe not being able to afford a course at all?
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Aug 21, 2023 20:15
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Why Am I So Tired posted:Thank you for saving this, I thought it was lost to time. Funny story. I was looking for it on Twitter but couldn't find it, so I searched google for code:Raskolnikov2089 posted:Does anyone have a link to that Applebees transition welcome back video? Why Am I So Tired posted:Shoot, I'm trying to find it and it looks like the original tweet has been deleted. Pingui posted:The tweet has been deleted, but I found it here (at 10:33 and 10:34): Then chopped up the video after the one linked. Goonuroboros.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:18
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Poppers posted:Every course of free Paxlovid you’re sitting on is a free course that someone else won’t have access to in the future is my main objection
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Aug 21, 2023 20:18
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the US government is hoarding 20 million courses of paxlovid, thats the real problem, think of all the 8 billion people that cant get treated!
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Aug 21, 2023 20:19
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Poppers posted:Every course of free Paxlovid you’re sitting on is a free course that someone else won’t have access to in the future is my main objection, beyond the one guy who caught a day probe already. Is your wife having Paxlovid on day 0 vs. day 1 so important that it’s worth someone else maybe not being able to afford a course at all? Is demand so tight and product unavailable to the point where "hoarding" a free course means somebody else is unable to get it? Or is this just another liberal concern troll similar to how people complained about people "stealing" a vaccine from another person by getting it early or lying on paperwork all while thousands of doses were literally being thrown out each day because nobody wanted them?
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Aug 21, 2023 20:19
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Poppers posted:Feel better bud but do let your doc know if your Crohn's flares up so they can give you a little steroid or something I broke down and took Motrin so we’ll see, my crohn’s is ok right now but idk what will happen over the week. The fever and migraine are kicking my rear end, I can’t do anything. I hate taking steroids.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:19
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lol This is literally the dumbass vaccine "hoarding" logic from 2 years ago. Incredible. No one one literally took a shot out of anyones arms. There were millions of doses literally thrown away.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:20
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Bastard Tetris posted:bad faith go back to d&d
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Aug 21, 2023 20:26
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silicone thrills posted:lol This is literally the dumbass vaccine "hoarding" logic from 2 years ago. Incredible. No one one literally took a shot out of anyones arms. There were millions of doses literally thrown away. Remember when they crucified that one guy in the press (and I think did he get fired? Or threatened his license or something?) for giving the last couple doses of a vial to some people he knew and/or family rather than trash it. Meanwhile now if you go get a shot they will immediately open palm slam the remaining doses in the vial into the trash the instant you walk out rather than bother trying to keep it in the fridge for the 4 hours or w/e until it goes bad.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:28
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The Oldest Man posted:People are strawmanning like loving crazy here and I'm genuinely curious if you think people are sitting on a dragon hoard of pills or if you're just casting judgment on others for trying to avoid becoming a statistic in a broken system.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:29
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lol like this thread has the juice to make a dent in pax hoarding.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:31
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All this hand wringing and concern trolling is making me want to get some paxlovid to have around.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:31
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ibid posted:All this hand wringing and concern trolling is making me want to get some paxlovid to have around. big 
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Aug 21, 2023 20:33
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silicone thrills posted:
rosalind I think was just drawing a distinction - basically IDK of any mechanism of action by which covid could cause cancer, but things it does do increase the incidence of cancer. anyway, ultimately people seem to be in violent agreement on this in kinda funny ways.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:34
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sonatinas posted:lol like this thread has the juice to make a dent in pax hoarding. THERES DOZENS OF US
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Aug 21, 2023 20:34
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ibid posted:All this hand wringing and concern trolling is making me want to get some paxlovid to have around. itching for DA JOOS
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Aug 21, 2023 20:35
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Buffer posted:basically IDK of any mechanism of action by which covid could cause cancer, but things it does do increase the incidence of cancer. This is where the covid-cautious in the thread here believe in the precautionary principle -- especially with novel viruses. We know that other novel viruses have caused spikes in certain cancers and there's no reason to believe that won't be the case with covid when nearly everyone in the US has gotten covid at least once.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:36
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A plague of that awful paxlovid taste of burnt metallic grapefruit upon you all. But my argument was never that "hoarding" (a word that was probably not the right choice) was going to cause shortages of paxlovid. It was that it may lead to providers tightening prescribing guidelines which would make these medications more difficult for people to access in the future (including those who need it immediately) and also that paxlovid is no joke and people could start medications resulting in life-threatening side effects if they then start a course of paxlovid.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:36
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freebasing crushed paxlovid because i want to see what it does and because i have alot of it
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Aug 21, 2023 20:36
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Rosalind posted:A plague of that awful paxlovid taste of burnt metallic grapefruit upon you all. I mean, given canada it ain't gonna make it worse but I understand what you're getting at here. I half-expect production cutbacks at some point given what happened to lucira though, lmao.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:38
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Lmfao the insurance wouldn’t accept the prescription because it was written by my clinics pharmacist and not the doctor?? I don’t even know that loving means. The dude at Walgreens at least came through and found an override. 
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Aug 21, 2023 20:38
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Rosalind posted:A plague of that awful paxlovid taste of burnt metallic grapefruit upon you all. There was another user implying that hoarding was going to take paxlovid out of someone elses mouth. The problem that happens with this thread is some times really obvious sealioning posters makes having conversations with reasonable folks difficult because it ends up crossing the streams.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:39
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silicone thrills posted:lol This is literally the dumbass vaccine "hoarding" logic from 2 years ago. Incredible. No one one literally took a shot out of anyones arms. There were millions of doses literally thrown away. At our site half the nurses declined vaccination so we all got doses that were headed to the trash
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Aug 21, 2023 20:39
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[me after picking up my paxlovid prescription] HAH, joke's on you, I don't even have COVID *every system in pharmacy goes dead and healthcare system across the country quickly collapses*
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Aug 21, 2023 20:39
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Rosalind posted:A plague of that awful paxlovid taste of burnt metallic grapefruit upon you all. I don't think "you live in a society" is going to be a compelling argument to people posting in the "society has washed its hands of an entire loving pandemic because it hurt number" thread. Nobody cares about the possible policy consequences of them hoarding Pax. I think the arguments for not abusing Pax because it's a serious medicine that could hurt you are much better arguments against it.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:40
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ah yes, the disease is so mild that possibly taking the scary prescription drugs when you AREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RULES is the biggest hazard. Someone think of the poor rules. Look at all these loving cops here eh?
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Aug 21, 2023 20:40
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Rosalind posted:But my argument was never that "hoarding" (a word that was probably not the right choice) was going to cause shortages of paxlovid. It was that it may lead to providers tightening prescribing guidelines which would make these medications more difficult for people to access in the future (including those who need it immediately) and also that paxlovid is no joke and people could start medications resulting in life-threatening side effects if they then start a course of paxlovid. I agree with all this, don't take prescription drugs without consulting a professional, that is a good way to have A Bad Time.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:41
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Louisgod posted:[me after picking up my paxlovid prescription] HAH, joke's on you, I don't even have COVID *every system in pharmacy goes dead and healthcare system across the country quickly collapses* why do you hate healthcare workers and the very concept of society
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Aug 21, 2023 20:41
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Malgrin posted:This is where the covid-cautious in the thread here believe in the precautionary principle -- especially with novel viruses. We know that other novel viruses have caused spikes in certain cancers and there's no reason to believe that won't be the case with covid when nearly everyone in the US has gotten covid at least once. There's no violation of the precautionary principal? From our standpoint the distinction doesn't make a difference - because it doesn't really matter to me if covid *gave* me the cancer or if covid hosed my immune system up, caused widespread inflammation and that let the cancer something else gave me take root. It probably makes a big ol' clinical and research difference though.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:41
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Unless the prescription drug in question is weed, then that's a good way to have A Good Time
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Aug 21, 2023 20:43
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The Oldest Man posted:Unless the prescription drug in question is weed, then that's a good way to have A Good Time or not  weed makes me feel super awful.My doctor did suggest it for ovarian cyst pain since I had no desire to be on opiates.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:44
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Bastard Tetris posted:There’s a discussion to be had about the differences between practicing clinicians, researchers, and policymakers but it’s drowned out by bad faith forum cops so we;lp it wouldn't be if people showed just the slightest bit of discretion or knew how to say things without sounding crazy. everyone knows some doctors can be wrong or just generally stupid. everyone knows the paxlovid telehealth process is kinda bullshit. it's good to tell people how they can get prescribed paxlovid if they don't have the major contraindications. it's loving idiotic for people to post "lie" or talk about their own stockpiling or diversion. who gives a poo poo if people actually try to stockpile a couple doses or if they lie about comorbidities or a rapid test. nobody really gives a poo poo about that. having a thread culture that doesn't push back against people openly talking about stockpiling/diversion and glibly telling people to just lie to telehealth because doctors are idiots is a problem though. if you don't understand why a thread that starts getting posts like that has people saying it's hosed up, you have very lovely self awareness and judgment people snagging 10 days of paxlovid from lovely fly by night telehealth companies isn't the issue with the thread. it takes the smallest bit of self-awareness to realize that posting that stuff is stupid. even if you think that the us healthcare system is hosed and that telehealth evaluations are bullshit and you don't think diversion of something like paxlovid is a big deal you should know better than to go around posting about your fraud and suggesting others do. if you don't get that or you think it's just 'decorum' and nobody should care, you spent too much time in here and have gone noseblind it's painful to see the same people completely fail to understand why people think this thread is unhinged
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Aug 21, 2023 20:45
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The Oldest Man posted:Unless the prescription drug in question is weed, then that's a good way to have A Good Time not if the loving rules say no you must follow the rules don't think about them or how your conduct may relate to the rules. just follow them.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:45
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Rosalind posted:But my argument was never that "hoarding" (a word that was probably not the right choice) was going to cause shortages of paxlovid. It was that it may lead to providers tightening prescribing guidelines which would make these medications more difficult for people to access in the future (including those who need it immediately) and also that paxlovid is no joke and people could start medications resulting in life-threatening side effects if they then start a course of paxlovid. this was Poppers' argument, not yours. and your argument has been well understood since paxlovid was made available, all are in agreement with this! Sunny Side Up posted:the last OP spelled this out in detail! and members would typically caveat their posts with this info, almost every time. it's so old hat in this thread that it has not been included
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Aug 21, 2023 20:46
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quote:We’ve got Bob Wachter telling us he isn’t masking today and pretending it’s because he has this novel risk calculus that works really well, but really it’s because he just got Covid and busted his face https://nitter.net/LauraMiers/status/1693652375582507201 lmao, good point.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:47
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Cuttlefush posted:people snagging 10 days of paxlovid from lovely fly by night telehealth companies isn't the issue with the thread. it takes the smallest bit of self-awareness to realize that posting that stuff is stupid. even if you think that the us healthcare system is hosed and that telehealth evaluations are bullshit and you don't think diversion of something like paxlovid is a big deal you should know better than to go around posting about your fraud and suggesting others do. if you don't get that or you think it's just 'decorum' and nobody should care, you spent too much time in here and have gone noseblind Yeah, it's this. It's an extension of what gets called "cop poo poo" in other threads - you don't post that you're "bloccing up" at [protest] tonight. You don't tell the parents of trans kids to shoot the cop that comes to remove their trans kid from their custody, you don't tell workers to cut their CEO's head off. You just don't.
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