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Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

The biggest difference between DOs and MDs is that DOs are more likely to go into primary care which means they’re more useful to society on average

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Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

lots of Osteopathy defenders in c-spam... you will not be touching my fascia

And yet medical doctors didn't even know fascia was an actual organ and not just an abstract concept of dividing connective tissue until the last decade, how curious!

Poppers posted:

The biggest difference between DOs and MDs is that DOs are more likely to go into primary care which means they’re more useful to society on average

This is true and almost certainly a result of gatekeeping by residency programs with their backwards views regarding the superiority of the MD brand.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
actually the biggest difference is that DOs use "Magic" to cure their patients via special healing wands and orbs

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Asproigerosis posted:

And yet medical doctors didn't even know fascia was an actual organ and not just an abstract concept of dividing connective tissue until the last decade, how curious!

lol we got one

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

Asproigerosis posted:

gently caress, my bit was ruined by genuinely not knowing anything about food allergens. This is almost as embarrassing as being a doctor and knowingly taking a hot shower while dehydrated with a viral illness and subsequently passing out and almost dying from head trauma.

Anyway I'm a doctor so you need to listen to me about food allergen they are all eliminated in high heat just tell your chef to cook everything hotter and you will be safe.

You're a doctor of magnets* and my heart.

*The MRI kind that goes brrrrr and generates teslas, not the fridge kind

Al! posted:

how many hit dice does a DO have?

it's old school world of darkness so it doesn't use hit dice

Animal-Mother posted:

Isn't this that Christian Bale gun kata movie?

that's equilibrium, I think this is the suicide drug from children of men

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

I've literally never heard or seen a DO actually practicing osteopathic medicine principles in my entire career. Anyone that actually believes that poo poo just doesn't make it to the real world of medical practice and simply sticks to the shadows of sketchy 'physical therapy spine rehab' joints in strip malls.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Buffer posted:

that's equilibrium, I think this is the suicide drug from children of men

The drug in Equilibrium was originally called Librium but they changed it to Prozium after it turned out Librium was already a registered brand name for chlordiazepoxide (lol)

The suicide drug in Children of Men was Quietus

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Asproigerosis posted:

I've literally never heard or seen a DO actually practicing osteopathic medicine principles in my entire career. Anyone that actually believes that poo poo just doesn't make it to the real world of medical practice and simply sticks to the shadows of sketchy 'physical therapy spine rehab' joints in strip malls.

cool

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Everyone who actually works in healthcare respects DOs. Tells you something perhaps……

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
the fascia massagers are out to get me for voicing my correct opinions

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Turkish medical students routinely cackle online about how loving easy the USMLE is compared to the TUS and it's not even administered in their native language. Make it much harder.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Poppers posted:

Everyone who actually works in healthcare respects DOs. Tells you something perhaps……

no one works in healthcare idiot everyone quit during covid

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

all the MDs are going into dermatology. thankfully DOs are still going into primary care roles

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

mawarannahr posted:

Turkish medical students routinely cackle online about how loving easy the USMLE is compared to the TUS and it's not even administered in their native language. Make it much harder.

jokes on you the american health care system does it's gatekeeping on the front end. Once you're actually in med school they do everything they can to get you across the finish line so their numbers look good.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
more like primary care holes cuz that's what those kind of doctors are gonna be drilling in your skull

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Asproigerosis posted:

jokes on you the american health care system does it's gatekeeping on the front end. Once you're actually in med school they do everything they can to get you across the finish line so their numbers look good.

the main thing they complain about is how hard it is to get 2 letters of recommendation if you want to go that route and jump ship abroad -- many of them are doing this now because of the awful economy + Turks beating up/shooting doctors + poo poo pay + required to serve undeserved rural areas for a year or two

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
I don't think a single one of the hospitalists I work with overnight was born in America.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Asproigerosis posted:

I've literally never heard or seen a DO actually practicing osteopathic medicine principles in my entire career. Anyone that actually believes that poo poo just doesn't make it to the real world of medical practice and simply sticks to the shadows of sketchy 'physical therapy spine rehab' joints in strip malls.

I've had a couple and they were very old

I've talked to a lot of DOs about osteopathy from the perspective of a skeptic and most just view it as a course requirement, this was not always the case though and the lay on hands portion of their training used to be emphasized pretty hard.

At this point it's just a dated artifact of ancient American politics and the distinction isn't meaningful. Just drop the osteopathy courses and make them MDs. For most doctors it shouldn't matter, if a doctor is really upset about not getting to osteopath people anymore they'll just have to cope and fall back on real medicine

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
actually i changed my mind now my issue is that we've allowed Osteopathy to fall by the wayside. we aren't emphasizing it enough in their education, by the admission of every poster in this thread, and medicine has suffered as a result.

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Can some of those doctor or scientists in here tell me if science direct is reputable or not?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2319417023000872

Because there's a study that straight up says that yup, Covid is airborne AIDS.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol at these utter boneheads

quote:

Data were gathered through a random national mail survey of 3000 US osteopathic physicians. Nine hundred and fifty-five questionnaires were usable for analysis. Through open-ended questions, osteopathic physicians identified philosophic and practice differences that distinguished them from their allopathic counterparts, and whether they believed the use of osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT), a key identifiable feature of the osteopathic profession, was appropriate in their specialty.

Seventy-five percent of the respondents to the question regarding philosophic differences answered positively, and 41 percent of the follow-up responses indicated that holistic medicine was the most distinguishing characteristic of their profession. In response to the question on practice differences, 59 percent of the respondents believed they practiced differently from allopathic physicians, and 72 percent of the follow-up responses indicated that the osteopathic approach to treatment was a primary distinguishing feature, mainly incorporating the application of OMT, a caring doctor-patient relationship, and a hands-on style.

More respondents who specialized in osteopathic manipulative medicine and family practice perceived differences between them and their allopathic counterparts than did other practitioners. Almost all respondents believed OMT was an efficacious treatment, but 19 percent of all respondents felt use of OMT was inappropriate in their specialty. Thirty-one percent of the pediatricians and 38 percent of the non-primary care specialists shared this view.

Eighty-eight percent of the respondents had a self-identification as osteopathic physicians, but less than half felt their patients identified them as such. When responses are considered in the context of all survey respondents (versus only those who provided open-ended responses) not a single philosophic concept or resultant practice behavior had concurrence from more than a third of the respondents as distinguishing osteopathic from allopathic medicine. Rank and file osteopathic practitioners seem to be struggling for a legitimate professional identification. The outcome of this struggle is bound to have an impact on health care delivery in the US.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 20:45 on Aug 22, 2023

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

NeonPunk posted:

Can some of those doctor or scientists in here tell me if science direct is reputable or not?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2319417023000872

Because there's a study that straight up says that yup, Covid is airborne AIDS.

sciencedirect is just a repository for all of Elsevier's science journals. there's good papers and not so good papers.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

NeonPunk posted:

Can some of those doctor or scientists in here tell me if science direct is reputable or not?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2319417023000872

Because there's a study that straight up says that yup, Covid is airborne AIDS.
That's Elsevier, which owns a ton of trash journals. Haven't read the paper but the "Highlights" section is uh off to a bad start.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
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Clapping Larry
ScienceDirect is owned by Elsevier and they aggregate a bunch of their... mid-rear end journals there so, it's not NECESSARILY bad?

can look at the abstract and get a vibe

lmao beaten twice

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Zugzwang posted:

That's Elsevier, which owns a ton of trash journals. Haven't read the paper but the "Highlights" section is uh off to a bad start.

Ixilka Research Technologies

quote:

We are a biotech startup based on a revolutionary algorithm of optimization that boosts Convolutional Neural Networks for Artificial Intelligence making possible real Precision Medicine.


Yeah, thanks for pointing that out to me. Just plain AI trash

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

NeonPunk posted:

Ixilka Research Technologies

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out to me. Just plain AI trash

omg I reading that sentence made me feel like I was getting osteopathic manipulation therapy

teemolover42069
Apr 6, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

tristeham posted:

lol who wanted this guy to be mod

you're both actually wrong about the peanut oil thing. peanut allergies are caused by proteins in peanuts. refined peanut oil does not contain those proteins and is typically safe for consumption, even for people with peanut allergies. this is the type of peanut oil which would be used for deep frying. it being 400 degrees is irrelevant, it was safe to start with. the question such a person should be asking is whether it is refined peanut oil or not. unrefined peanut oil would be dangerous. refined is not.

teemolover42069 has issued a correction as of 20:53 on Aug 22, 2023

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Dark Triad guy going to osteopathic school cause he heard they train you to manipulate people at sociopath school

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
What sick motherfucker tried to make me a mod show yourself you bane mask coward! LEMME SEE THAT DUPLICITOUS SMILE!

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

mawarannahr posted:

Dark Triad guy going to osteopathic school cause he heard they train you to manipulate people at sociopath school

lmao

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

NeonPunk posted:

We are a biotech startup based on a revolutionary algorithm of optimization that boosts Convolutional Neural Networks for Artificial Intelligence making possible real Precision Medicine.

lmao

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Real Mean Queen posted:

lol everything you need to buy one of those masks is clearly written on the front of the mask, come on guys

Getting furious that googling "ME mask" is not getting the right results.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry

NeonPunk posted:


Yeah, thanks for pointing that out to me. Just plain AI trash

ultimately this is doubly infuriating because regular-rear end protein folding and bond energy interaction analysis / computer crystallography is a legitimate branch of research. people disingenuously labeling everything with LLM / AI nonsense just dilutes all of it across the board.

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

Lib and let die posted:

perhaps you should learn to read because the problem is with parents and administration

I want to back Lib and let die up here because when I tried to build a corsi cube for my mom's classroom at her elementary school, her school would not allow her to accept it or run it in the classroom, and made her choose between her job and clean air. She chose to keep the job and keep masking and eating her lunch in 10 minutes in her car every day.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
lol saw a good one in the wild on linkedin


How Darwinian
Feb 27, 2011

NeonPunk posted:

Can some of those doctor or scientists in here tell me if science direct is reputable or not?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2319417023000872

Because there's a study that straight up says that yup, Covid is airborne AIDS.

As someone said above, sciencedirect is a repository, but you can see the journal name on the page. A good way to check journal quality as a total outsider is to plug the journal name ("Biomedical Journal" in this case) into this site (https://www.scimagojr.com/), which indexes journal metrics.

Here's the one for this journal.
https://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=21100248812&tip=sid&clean=0

From the journal page, you can get a sense of whether the journal ranks high or low in its assigned category/subcategories, which in this case are "Medicine" and "Medicine - (miscellaneous)". If you click on that category from the journal page, you can see what other journals fall under that category and where this one ranks. The page also shows that this journal ranks in the top quarter of Medicine (miscellaneous), BUT it was also hovering in Q2 for the last few years before, and only seems to have climbed higher in the last few years (see the line charts down the page). If you were an expert in the area you'd be able to make a more nuanced judgment, but from a first glance I'd say it looks like a mid-tier journal, so I'd be skeptical about it until you see it getting cited in reviews or used in other work.

It won't work for this article, since it's so new, but another good idea to get a general sense of quality is to just see if other people are citing a paper. You can check this in google scholar by searching the title. In this case no one has cited the paper yet, so I'd also stay skeptical unless you have the expertise to read and review it yourself.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?lookup=0&q=Acquired+Immune+Deficiency+Syndrome+correlation+with+SARS-CoV-2+N+genotypes&hl=en&as_sdt=0,22

Again, this is all knowing nothing about the content of the paper itself. Just trying to say how to make a semi-informed surface judgement as a non-expert.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

U-DO Burger posted:

I cannot bring myself to watch it but am nonetheless excited to see the bullshit that comes from this :shepface:

if i understood correctly, they didn't have quorum so the vote is delayed until Nov

the public comments were legit and antipandemic (i.e. unhinged, deranged, completely insane). it isn't new info but it was pleasant to hear people saying directly "I shouldn't have to educate my doctor."

I am pretty sure NNU got a comment in and I think maybe also the DSA DWG.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Lib and let die posted:

I'm a cilantro tastes like soap person. I will never claim an allergic reaction to it to "make sure" it's not on my tacos or in my salsa or whatever.

does coriander also taste like soap to you? my wife has the cilantro-soap gene for the leaves of the plant but for some reason is able to do the seed of the plant (powdered coriander) just fine.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

"Biomedical Journal" sounds like a fake journal name on TV

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Sunny Side Up posted:

does coriander also taste like soap to you? my wife has the cilantro-soap gene for the leaves of the plant but for some reason is able to do the seed of the plant (powdered coriander) just fine.

it's a must have for a proper gin martini.

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