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Communist Thoughts posted:It's funny how clearly evil the Catholic Church are and if i were Christian i'd have to deal with them being obviously the antichrist yea with poo poo like operation gladio and all the abuse scandals from holding onto some dumb loving idea that priests can’t gently caress (this was largely because the idea of priests being landowners and passing down their holdings was threatening to the power of the church) its hard to see the Vatican specifically as not being irreparably tainted the ‘Catholic church’ is a wide thing tho, and Catholicism doesn’t like to be pinned down even if the Vatican would like to have power over it all, but that’s not the case at least. I mostly gently caress with the small c Catholics as they’re more likely to support and affirm my existence
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OldAlias posted:lol yeah. pacifism is some weak poo poo, as a member of the underclass at the intersection of multiple stigmatized identities it seems particularly poo poo to promote non-violence when so much are hell bent on doing violence to you, but what do I know pacifists do seem quite happy to support creating hell on earth in pursuit of an eternal afterlife in the kingdom of heaven for themselves and an extremely small portion of humanity
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Cerebral Bore posted:i feel like this thread has also been useful in showing that liberalism fucks up all that it touches, including religion and gayness
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Ohtori Akio posted:that's a common criticism of the nonviolent position. nevertheless i believe violence against people is inherently immoral and shan't be pursuing it a freaking gay anarchist lmfao
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Ohtori Akio posted:liberalism is a secular evolution of the christian teaching no it's not, maybe you're thinking of socialism here. unless you consider the crusades the fullest expression of christian teaching, in which case fair
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Ash Crimson posted:*Guile voice* CHRONIC GOON
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Tungsten posted:no it's not, maybe you're thinking of socialism here. unless you consider the crusades the fullest expression of christian teaching, in which case fair socialism and liberalism are both secular evolutions of the christian teaching
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I would never join a religion that has ever condemned Pokemon
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Al! posted:lingma
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if Martin Luther hadn't been so antisemitic he would be p based. trolling an entire power structure into meltdown via posting.
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you know who else was antisemitic and trolled an entire power structure into meltdown via posting
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lumpentroll posted:you know who else was antisemitic and trolled an entire power structure into meltdown via posting your mom?
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Private Cumshoe posted:I would never join a religion that has ever condemned Pokemon My church growing up condemned Pokemon bc it has evolution.
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lumpentroll posted:you know who else was antisemitic and trolled an entire power structure into meltdown via posting Adolf Hitler.
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the next hitler will deliver speeches through vocaroo
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Hitler doing a TikTok dance lol
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The great thing about religious non-violence is that you get to do nothing *and* still feel smug and superior about it. And if you ever have any doubts about your chosen course of action you rest easy in the knowledge that your path is sanctioned by god. Best of all worlds. Religion ftw.
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Poppers posted:Hitler doing a TikTok dance lol 
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Ohtori Akio posted:john browns actions have a lot of merit in that they were clearly self-sacrificing and in pursuit of a "major league" moral imperative. thats a pretty classic example of the kinds of guy peace church types have to sit and think about. i dont think id make the choices john brown did but i think if someone sits here and says they definitely would theyre just talking poo poo. the peace church type might identify their hero of the time in the slave who broke tools knowing theyd face suffering for it or the free black americans who ran the underground railroad at significant personal risk john brown was right, he was as right as a person can be about anything and the only thing he messed up was thinking that other people would be as right as him about slavery i think pacifism is the ideal at the personal level when there's nothing wrong happening, but when there is, pacifism does not actually fix things. pacifism as encouraged by the state or positions of power is simply a method of divide and conquer to reduce the concentration of dissent directed towards the ruling class. the only instances of pacifism appearing to result in positive change (Civil Rights Act, Brits out of India, etc.) have not been because of the pacifist behavior, at all, but because it offered a more palatable alternative to the ruling class than the more violent and revolutionary alternatives and by embracing pacifist ideology, the ruling class splits and marginalizes the revolutionary potential of the oppressed. Civil Rights Act f. ex. the opposing message to MLK's "I Have A Dream" was the Black Panther Party's "We are advocates of the abolition of war which can only be abolished through war and in order to get rid of the gun, it is necessary to pick up the gun." that's why non-violent, non-disruptive protest is depicted as the only tolerable method for humans to show dissent in the western world, and why it's put on a pedestal above all other forms of dissent and treated as the 'moral' way to fight power - anything more than that, even MLK/rosa parks style civil disobedience will have society at large completely tolerate the protest being smashed to bits, because everyone has been taught and told repeatedly protest is 'supposed to be peaceful and civil', even though those being opposed are not and will not ever be like, im not making a call to violence, but pacifism didn't end apartheid, pacifism didn't end slavery, pacifism didn't end jim crow, pacifism didn't overthrown the ancien régime, pacifism didn't give india independence, or ireland, or mexico, or cuba, or indonesia, or algeria, or vietnam. pacifism will not free palestine, pacifism will not demilitarize the police, pacifism will not remove the ruling class from power, pacifism will not liberate the working class. being a nonviolent person is admirable and i think something people should strive to be, but as a group ideology, as a means to an end, pacifism is idealistic and cannot actually even exist without a violent counterpart ensuring that it won't be destroyed - look at how useful nonviolent resistance and protest was in nazi germany lol. peaceful protests only work, and are only even allowed, when that protest is backed up by an understanding that if the protest isn't allowed to occur, violence will.
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fnln if you dont make that organ post here im going to actionably threaten you
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Being proud of pacifism is for idiots. Just admit you're lazy.
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theres work you can do other than picking up a rifle op. posting for example
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FirstnameLastname posted:john brown was right, he was as right as a person can be about anything and the only thing he messed up was thinking that other people would be as right as him about slavery good post
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tristeham posted:good post Fnln right again
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Idealism rules tho. We need those people.
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FirstnameLastname posted:john brown was right, he was as right as a person can be about anything and the only thing he messed up was thinking that other people would be as right as him about slavery
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Ohtori Akio posted:fnln if you dont make that organ post here im going to actionably threaten you i will i just been busy & want udo a good job w it but here's the other one w the part i mixed up out FirstnameLastname posted:cathedral design actually is sick. I don't like it aesthetically but the integration of church organs into the design of the chambers for worship and musical performances is really cool and had a heavy influence on the direction of church and art music composition for centuries, and western music theory, western harmony, 12-toned instruments with 7 note keys/modes, all originated entirely from the Catholic Church so it's ultimately had a very large impact on all western music to this day wanna add more about just how much of modern music notation is 600 year old church conventions to save ink and parchment and more abt the importance sheer presence was for the Catholic church legitimizing the nobility and how much of that presence was from impressing and pacifying the illiterate common folk, without much argument to convince an educated person far from Italy why they should respect the pope's authority, tithe, accept Divine Right, etc. & how that can be reflected in the printing press rapidly being followed by Martin Luther and protestantism and that triggering the shift of the church from external sovereign entity to more of an integrated domestic state institution in monarchies that remained catholic also wanna do something on how that led to the diminishment of the Catholic Church legitimizing nobility to the common people, but more importantly to the other nobility to sustain the status quo, and how losing that helped drive the centralization of the state and end of feudalism n led into the french revolution but that's prob. worth splitting into a few posts also wanna write smth about andalusian music & arab influence on church music thru the reconquista bc its cool and also on real old early origins of western music and coltrane matrices & John Coltrane's obsession with a holy geometric trinity within music and also between music and God and man & how it changed his later work, that's another cool religion music thing, ill just do one thing at a time tho
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from a protestant, modern, faithful perspective church architecture as a means of expressing the way in which one intends to worship is pretty badass. i sometimes attend churches from a wide array of expressions of that from "giant box with columns" to "tiny little timbered space" and it piuts you in very different mindsets as one looks to connect with god
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Idk bout god or anything but in the twin cities go to the basilica and the cathedral across the river that poo poo is cool as hell.
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My wife and I went to an Episcopalian church in Oklahoma for awhile to 'fit in' and the services were so wildly different then the multi hour brimstone and song 'non-denominational' affairs I went to as a kid when I stayed over with my extended family. Still weird and deeply uncomfortable for me though, I've never really gotten over how hosed up my childhood religious experiences were, and eventually we stopped going. The ritualistic cannibalism aspect of communion was a fun twist though.
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The wine is the piss and the host is the cum
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Poppers posted:The wine is the piss and the host is the cum you host cum daily
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That may be true but if you read a certain book which may have been highlighted in a particular thread you would simply be forced to agree with me
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