Centrist Committee posted:

i mean it’s a live question in that there are always class traitors and divisions that can be exploited but the chinese context is about as different than the current american context as I can imagine. no recent conquest and occupation, no feudal social relations, no first generation bourgeoise etc

stumblebum posted:

right, and the complexity and uncertainty extends from not just the nat-/peti-bourg, but also through the labor aristocracy (something i highly doubt china had in any context in the 20th century); how much of the right-wing middle classes (peti-boos, nat-boos, labor aristos) are potential comrades to be brought over when we protect them from the government and addressing their anxieties, and how much effort spent helping them is merely effort lost on picking sides between the SA and the SS? i.e., when the time comes for their classes to be liquidated by the dying empire, what determines whether their, uh i guess it could be called "meta-class vector", points towards or away from proletarian class interests?

Bar Ran Dun posted:

most of the revolutionary potential in the US is reactionary small business owners and white male folks losing racial and gender privileged.

supporting that isn’t supporting socialism. socialism symbolizes expectation, that we expect that we will and can have a more equal and just society in the future.

thread has folks supporting reactionary revolutionary potential, because it is revolutionary and there is an active propaganda effort to cause this.

instead of blindly sticking to old categories look at the actual make up and behaviors of us classes.

HallelujahLee posted:

this is a good question, i dont think it should a central tenant to expend too much effort trying to convert the chuds or whatever we want to call them but it should a side-project to at least attempt to convert those that arent nutjobs obviously the actual fascists are a waste of time no effort should spent on them.

Monkey Fracas posted:

Also I support Aldis militant shopping cart control policy; Americans cannot be trusted to Return Kart

stumblebum posted:

i just want to know who to vote for to protect america from fascism, an ideology it does not currently support nor historically acted as the universal practical model for

Rectal Death Adept posted:

democrats won't let you vote for those people, try again

Monkey Fracas posted:

I feel blessed that Aldi moved out of the stripmall location next to the Dollar General and built one of their bigger standalone stores in my town.

Only other real grocery store aside from Walmart is Jewel-Osco which I believe is now part of a larger conglomerate that knows how to efficiently push prices as high as they can for a given area to really gently caress people. I'll go there if I want something I know the Aldi won't have but man their prices have risen far beyond their already lofty heights pre-pandemic.

Also I support Aldis militant shopping cart control policy; Americans cannot be trusted to Return Kart

stumblebum posted:

so what you're saying is i need to vote for people who will vote to allow me to vote for people who will vote against fascism? sounds like democracy works!

cool av posted:

Doin' the math on my "vision benefit" from work. $1.33 taken out of each paycheck, $42.45/year, and I get a $42 reimbursement off lenses for it.

That's if I do all the paperwork to send in a claim correctly, and it doesn't get rejected.

Scammy poo poo. Looks like it might be slightly worth it if I had bifocals or bought progressive lenses though.

cool av posted:

Doin' the math on my "vision benefit" from work. $1.33 taken out of each paycheck, $42.45/year, and I get a $42 reimbursement off lenses for it.

That's if I do all the paperwork to send in a claim correctly, and it doesn't get rejected.

Scammy poo poo. Looks like it might be slightly worth it if I had bifocals or bought progressive lenses though.

HallelujahLee posted:

this is a good question, i dont think it should a central tenant to expend too much effort trying to convert the chuds or whatever we want to call them but it should a side-project to at least attempt to convert those that arent nutjobs obviously the actual fascists are a waste of time no effort should spent on them.

quote:

Nearly every presidential center released a joint statement on Thursday emphasizing the principles of democracy and deeming civil political discourse essential, the first known time that presidential foundations and centers have joined to release a statement calling to protect democracy.

“Americans have a strong interest in supporting democratic movements and respect for human rights around the world because free societies elsewhere contribute to our own security and prosperity here at home,” the statement said. “But that interest is undermined when others see our own house in disarray. The world will not wait for us to address our problems, so we must both continue to strive toward a more perfect union and help those abroad looking for US leadership.”

...The foundations that signed the joint statement include the Obama Foundation, George W. Bush Presidential Center, Clinton Foundation, George & Barbara Bush Foundation, The Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute, The Carter Center, Gerald R. Ford Presidential Foundation, Richard Nixon Foundation, LBJ Foundation, John F. Kennedy Library Foundation, Truman Library Institute, Roosevelt Institute and Hoover Presidential Foundation.

tristeham posted:

what are you going on about you weirdo

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Azuth0667 posted:

Nah, this thread looks pretty close to what those DND threads used to look like.

biceps crimes posted:

the middle of nowhere town my family is from had a dollar general move in and it sucks rear end. nothing more american than dollar general swooping into a depressed area with almost nothing left and then sucking it all out

Mr Hootington posted:

This post is right and the mods are angry about that

Willa Rogers posted:

they're going on about swallowing the democrat lies that the only people who have any issues with how the country & its institutions are run are irredeemable nazis, aka white business owners.

hence the rush to criminalize dissent lest those institutions are "undermined" in any way that displeases our politicians' donors.

HallelujahLee posted:

this is a good question, i dont think it should a central tenant to expend too much effort trying to convert the chuds or whatever we want to call them but it should a side-project to at least attempt to convert those that arent nutjobs obviously the actual fascists are a waste of time no effort should spent on them.

Centrist Committee posted:

yeah if I had to guess id say there’s more potential in american mao making an american hakka army out of the homeless population this cursed land can’t stop producing but idk im just simple poo poo poster

LonsomeSon posted:

going to guess it was more for the iconography in the Azov shoulder patch

SKULL.GIF posted:

I have absolutely no time to waste on the people feverishly pushing to protect neonazis who would without a second thought sign my death warrant, because somehow protecting the Actual Nazis will make the leftist revolution possible

"No, no, we have to be fair to everyone!", hey, guess what, they don't loving care that you were fair to them, they'll put a bullet in your skull regardless.

The same failure moron who spent the past decade hyperventilating about "discrimination" against boomers is going to bat for neonazis? loving shocker.

Wisconsin managed to tip the scales on the state supreme court, specifically on the issue of undoing the psychotic gerrymander that's handed near-total control of the state to the Republicans, and the Republicans immediately moved to strip all of the Demonic Otherparty of their legal powers and are trying to remove the scale-tipping judge from her elected seat. And here you are crying and whimpering that we aren't giving boomerpublicans sufficient deference.

StratGoatCom posted:

a literal army of thieves and whores.

LonsomeSon posted:

going to guess it was more for the iconography in the Azov shoulder patch

SKULL.GIF posted:

I have absolutely no time to waste on the people feverishly pushing to protect neonazis who would without a second thought sign my death warrant, because somehow protecting the Actual Nazis will make the leftist revolution possible

"No, no, we have to be fair to everyone!", hey, guess what, they don't loving care that you were fair to them, they'll put a bullet in your skull regardless.

The same failure moron who spent the past decade hyperventilating about "discrimination" against boomers is going to bat for neonazis? loving shocker.

Wisconsin managed to tip the scales on the state supreme court, specifically on the issue of undoing the psychotic gerrymander that's handed near-total control of the state to the Republicans, and the Republicans immediately moved to strip all of the Demonic Otherparty of their legal powers and are trying to remove the scale-tipping judge from her elected seat. And here you are crying and whimpering that we aren't giving boomerpublicans sufficient deference.

LonsomeSon posted:

going to guess it was more for the iconography in the Azov shoulder patch

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

it's not a problem, ukraine are the good guys

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Willa the folks storming the capital were mostly progressive minorty small business owners.

defending them as “protestors” is stupid. it’s a left wing narrative being inserted into right spaces.

they aren’t the only folks that have problems with the running of the country. they are the folks that revolted in a literal sense and are organizing (particularly in new york) for further violent revolt. that’s all progressive leftist maniacs. And the NY stuff it’s likely being pushed by a counter insurgency specialist (AOC).

it’s all very bad news.