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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Flyinglemur posted:

The tough part is that when you break through the first line of defense there's another, smaller line of defense inside that. Inside that line of defense is another line of defense even smaller. When you finally get through to the last line of defense there's a jelly bean inside of it.

A borscht flavored jelly bean

JK, the money for the jelly bean never made it to the line of defense factory. Meanwhile there is an oligarch on a yacht in the South Pacific that is REALLY enjoying that dish of jelly beans

Russia has a simpsons version of the dragon’s teeth too

It’s called the dental plan

Then the Ukrainians use a drone to drop a pencil

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Dwesa posted:

Not really, mapped defensive lines stop near major towns like Tokmak + there are also more defenses near Melitpol and Crimea


Well, for now, it doesn't take that long to dig some trenches and drop cope toblerones. Unfortunately I don't think it'll be smooth sailing after the last current line drawn on the map

Tai posted:

It's probably as simple as Brazil doesn't want to piss off USA or Russia and staying impartial. Like a lot of other countries.

Then maybe Lula shouldn't say "wanted international criminal is welcome here, I acting as President will make sure he won't be arrested".


steinrokkan posted:

Brazil and especially Lula has very little reason to care about Ukraine and very strong reasons to care about sticking and twisting the knife into the US. So Lula's actions re Russia and Ukraine are not motivated by Ukraine. It's not the moral stance in the situation, but it's perfectly predictable, consistent with normal behavior of countries, and a result of American meddling.
This makes Lula a piece of poo poo

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



"The M829A4 is a fifth-generation APFSDS-T cartridge consisting of depleted-uranium penetrator with a three-petal composite sabot; the penetrator includes a low-drag fin with a tracer"

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Trenches become less and less easy to hold when you don't have any more Spetsnazis and VEE DEE VEE to fill them up with, or enough fire support to protect them with.

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice
lmao that Russia is still posturing about invading the rest of Europe after the crippling losses they continue to take in Ukraine. I wonder how K2s and M1s would fare against formations of T-62 Obr. 2022...

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
They’ve been using those cluster shells a lot too

Truly Ukraine has made a pact with Satan

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
I love cheerleading dictators that plan to conquer Europe and this time everybody will be happy for it by doing it right

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

EorayMel posted:

I love cheerleading dictators that plan to conquer Europe and this time everybody will be happy for it by doing it right

well, the United States is bad, so who can really say?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

mobby_6kl posted:

This makes Lula a piece of poo poo

Everybody with power is a piece of poo poo and will act accordingly. There are no altruists among the elites.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

zone posted:

Trenches become less and less easy to hold when you don't have any more Spetsnazis and VEE DEE VEE to fill them up with, or enough fire support to protect them with.

Similarly there's only so many miles of multiple kilometer wide minefields you can emplace. Some of the secondary and tertiary trenches have mines - but absolutely nothing like the first line of trenches.

numptyboy
Sep 6, 2004
somewhat pleasant

The X-man cometh posted:

Lula isn't thinking straight because Bolsonaro was close to Putin, just like Trump.

One of the biggest leftist brainworms is the idea that US foreign policy doesn't change with the party in power.

Quite. If brazil wants a stable world where democracy is respected, he's going to find better friends with the Biden administration, than one led by Trump.
The very authoritarian forces he courts with Putin are the same that would see him fall.

Mind you, if i were him, i might do the same. In the near term Brazil taking a purely neutral stance is probably the safest option. There is no guarantee that siding with Ukraine would help them in the longer term - especially if someone like Trump comes in the next election.

He does, however, sound like a hypocrtical shitbag.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

steinrokkan posted:

Everybody with power is a piece of poo poo and will act accordingly. There are no altruists among the elites.

I would posit FDR as a counterpoint.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Warbadger posted:

Similarly there's only so many miles of multiple kilometer wide minefields you can emplace. Some of the secondary and tertiary trenches have mines - but absolutely nothing like the first line of trenches.

Both Ukrainian generals and field officers currently on the contact line said that Puccia used the majority of their mines on the first line of defense. The second and third were nothing like as bad in comparison. It's also why they're desperately fighting to prevent a complete collapse at the current points of contact, because if that happens their whole lovely defense line is done for.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Why put mines at your front lines when you can put mines at the back lines, so the mobiks who try to flee back home get blown up, which would not happen if they simply at the front lines due to the orders of 80-year old Igor Dachavov?

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

spunkshui posted:

The USA knows to kick your enemies if they are down. We are sending top tier tanks with these horrifying rounds lol

Found a sliced open image of one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/10f8ftl/american_m829a4_armorpiercing_tank_round/

Id go home personally.

:lol: that is a 22lb chunk of depleted uranium that when fired is moving 25% faster than a bullet from a hunting rifle. You don't use that for infantry, but it will make a very precise hole in up to 800mm (!!!) of RHA.



Thats the duder that would make me pack it up and call it a day.

Bertha the Toaster
Jan 11, 2009

Vampire Panties posted:

:lol: that is a 22lb chunk of depleted uranium that when fired is moving 25% faster than a bullet from a hunting rifle. You don't use that for infantry, but it will make a very precise hole in up to 800mm (!!!) of RHA.



Thats the duder that would make me pack it up and call it a day.

That's just a big gently caress off shotgun shell isn't it?

Yeah, no thanks.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Vampire Panties posted:

:lol: that is a 22lb chunk of depleted uranium that when fired is moving 25% faster than a bullet from a hunting rifle. You don't use that for infantry, but it will make a very precise hole in up to 800mm (!!!) of RHA.



Thats the duder that would make me pack it up and call it a day.

On the positive side, at least your death will be quick and painless vs roasting alive when the ammo in the carousel underneath you ignites.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

McGavin posted:

BRICs got the name because they’re countries that are Badly Run by International Criminals.

in an ironic twist of fate, they literally got the name when a goldamn sachs report referred to them as such

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Does anyone even use canister? Can't imagine bringing it along especially nowadays.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
That looks like something for light skinned vehicles rather than infantry. Probably handier in that role than a sabot.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Antigravitas posted:

Does anyone even use canister? Can't imagine bringing it along especially nowadays.

theres always gonna be a situation where they come in handy, so yes. they wont be brought in HE or smoke/illum numbers but militaries didnt spend money on them to rot.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

EorayMel posted:

Why put mines at your front lines when you can put mines at the back lines, so the mobiks who try to flee back home get blown up, which would not happen if they simply at the front lines due to the orders of 80-year old Igor Dachavov?

They constantly complain of getting blown up like this anyway, because both sappers and operators of minelayers/remote mining systems just lay their rubbish at random and then neglect to mention to the local officer exactly where they did it. This has led to a number of bitter recriminations both in Bakhmut and Zaporizhzhia.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

zone posted:

They constantly complain of getting blown up like this anyway, because both sappers and operators of minelayers/remote mining systems just lay their rubbish at random and then neglect to mention to the local officer exactly where they did it. This has led to a number of bitter recriminations both in Bakhmut and Zaporizhzhia.

Jesus, imagine living in terror of your own forces.

Mikojan
May 12, 2010

redshirt posted:

Jesus, imagine living in terror of your own forces.

They probably already do, with the beatings, executions and such

Being enlisted in the russian army must be one bleak depressing existence, just slightly better than straight up gulag

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




steinrokkan posted:

That looks like something for light skinned vehicles rather than infantry. Probably handier in that role than a sabot.

It was specifically designed to be used against mass infantry assaults, particularly in urban environments.

Also it can apparently be used against low flying aircraft like they're giant metal ducks.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

redshirt posted:

I would posit FDR as a counterpoint.

I want to believe

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

I want to believe

He was already rich when elected. American nobility.

He shepherded through every major progressive program that still serves us to this day.

He led us through the great war.

He's the GOAT president.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

redshirt posted:

He was already rich when elected. American nobility.

Yeah, he was something like 7th or 8th generation American. His ancestors were a bunch of wealthy merchants and industrialists in New York.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



redshirt posted:

I would posit FDR as a counterpoint.

FDR did something pretty actively awful with Japanese internment, I appreciate a ton of what he did but he was not perfect by any means

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

TulliusCicero posted:

FDR did something pretty actively awful with Japanese internment, I appreciate a ton of what he did but he was not perfect by any means

Yeah, he's not perfect by any stretch.

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

I never fail to be amazed by the sheer number of goons who don't get that understanding why someone thinks a certain way is not the same thing as agreeing with them.

poor waif posted:

imagine if a military power started a fake uprising by providing weapons, men and funding, only to later fully invade when you don't get everything you want.

I'm glad Brazil and anti-imperialistists have learned from history and would oppose it, not side with the invader and cry about why the target doesn't just unconditionally surrender like they're supposed to

Der Kyhe posted:

Nah, that is literally "US and west bad, Russia and China good" politics and Lula should be condemned for being a loyal little helper to the Putin's regime.

You don't have to like west, NATO, or US to hate Putin for his crimes against humanity and his attempted imperialistic land grab in Ukraine. And Lula is doing nothing of sorts, instead he says again and again that Putin gets a free pass in his mind, and Brazil is glad to work more trade deals with Russians.

LordArgh posted:

have you considered that countries can do things for reasons other than as a reaction to something the US did at some point in history

Yes, it's completely inconceivable that a "strident union organizer known for his bushy beard and Che Guevara T-shirts" that became president might let his foreign policy views be coloured by a US-backed brutal military dictatorship that took over when he was 19 and only ended when he was 40.

Molothecat posted:

as long as you have a reason to not arrest a war criminal, I guess it's ok

Also, clearly I'm agreeing with him, see:

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

drat if he isn't on the wrong side of history today.

As sad as it is, even a cursory look at any of the UN GA votes on the war in Ukraine clearly tells a story: this war is seen as Ukraine + NATO & Friends vs. Russia & Friends by much of the world.

A lot of countries are perfectly happy to sit on the fence and keep doing business with Russia, either because they hold a grudge against one or more of the countries backing Ukraine or because this war is happening so far away that it doesn't register.

Is it stupid, self-centred and a bit petty? Yes. Is it true? Also yes. Welcome to international relations.

Jasper Tin Neck fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 10, 2023

Warm und Fuzzy
Jun 20, 2006


"In Mother Russia, India invests in YOU!"

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

EorayMel posted:

I love cheerleading dictators that plan to conquer Europe and this time everybody will be happy for it by doing it right

Imagine caarrying water for an imperialistic country that has negative racial views towards other countries along with a rich class tier of citizens and you call yourself a communist lol

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

I never fail to be amazed by the sheer number of goons who don't get that understanding why someone thinks a certain way is not the same thing as agreeing with them.





Yes, it's completely inconceivable that a "strident union organizer known for his bushy beard and Che Guevara T-shirts" that became president might let his foreign policy views be coloured by a US-backed brutal military dictatorship that took over when he was 19 and only ended when he was 40.

Also, clearly I'm agreeing with him, see:

As sad as it is, even a cursory look at any of the UN GA votes on the war in Ukraine clearly tells a story: this war is seen as Ukraine + NATO & Friends vs. Russia & Friends by much of the world.

A lot of countries are perfectly happy to sit on the fence and keep doing business with Russia, either because they hold a grudge against one or more of the countries backing Ukraine or because this war is happening so far away that it doesn't register.

Is it stupid, self-centred and a bit petty? Yes. Is it true? Also yes. Welcome to international relations.

Again, you don't have to be pro-USA or pro-NATO or even pro-West to be against genocidal dictators.

I am sorry that your favorite communist turned out to be a sack of poo poo president who instead of not taking an actual stance decided to start openly cheering for team Putin because its financially beneficial for him to do.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1700926498813685775
So that's what they call demilitarization.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

IIRC this will be in cooperation with Slovakia and Czechia which also jointly procured the CV-90 with local production

poor waif
Apr 8, 2007
Kaboom

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

I never fail to be amazed by the sheer number of goons who don't get that understanding why someone thinks a certain way is not the same thing as agreeing with them.





Yes, it's completely inconceivable that a "strident union organizer known for his bushy beard and Che Guevara T-shirts" that became president might let his foreign policy views be coloured by a US-backed brutal military dictatorship that took over when he was 19 and only ended when he was 40.

Also, clearly I'm agreeing with him, see:

As sad as it is, even a cursory look at any of the UN GA votes on the war in Ukraine clearly tells a story: this war is seen as Ukraine + NATO & Friends vs. Russia & Friends by much of the world.

A lot of countries are perfectly happy to sit on the fence and keep doing business with Russia, either because they hold a grudge against one or more of the countries backing Ukraine or because this war is happening so far away that it doesn't register.

Is it stupid, self-centred and a bit petty? Yes. Is it true? Also yes. Welcome to international relations.

The conclusion from not enjoying living in a US supported dictatorship doesn't need to be "US supported dictatorships are bad", it could just as well be "dictatorships are bad". It's not though, instead he aligns himself almost exclusively with dictatorships just as brutal as the one he fought.

He doesn't oppose foreign intervention, he wants to reward Russia for invading Ukraine, and he wants them to suffer zero consequences. It doesn't sound like a principled stance at all, just what happens to align with his interests.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

zone posted:


Puccia made a new discovery. Cope hangars.

they're mobile? that's cool. how mobile is the airport they have to rest upon?





oh.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
^^^
It also seems to have giant openings on both sides for the drone to fly into...


https://i.imgur.com/eLog57W.mp4

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Szechwan
Jun 10, 2023

I grew up in Vancouver in the 90's, when the entire city idolized Pavel "The Russian Rocket" Bure. I don't think I'd ever heard that phrase used for anything other than a hockey player until now, so all these reports and headlines have been throwing me for a loop
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