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Asproigerosis posted:
The fourth mode listed is the one with weakest foundation in so‐called “evidence‐based medicine”. Platystemon has issued a correction as of 11:28 on Sep 19, 2023 |
# ? Sep 19, 2023 10:36 |
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RandolphCarter posted:I am the only person at my job wearing a mask tonight. been that way for about a year despite the fact we scrub into BSL-3 poo poo with things potentially more infectious than X.BB, previously known as the most infectious disease in recorded history
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 10:58 |
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Ghost Cactus posted:(..)
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 11:34 |
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PoundSand posted:When googling about this debate I found an interresting article: There are no fewer than four metanalyses (and probably more) that pool the same set of studies in the same statistically invalid way. Here is a thread from 2021 on what is wrong with it. MacIntyre’s studies had participants wearing N95s correctly, except for one arm in one particular study that intentionally used what was believed to be and indeed was proven as inferior for comparison. Loeb and Radonovich only had healthcare workers donning respirators when closing to within six feet of a patient. They did not prove that respirators do not work. What they proved is that influenza and COVID‐19 are airborne.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 11:47 |
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Nothing new for the thread, but the updated vaccine rollout is so amazingly lovely it bears repeating:https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/patients-charged-hundreds-new-covid-19-shots/ posted:"Nightmare," Some planning to get new COVID-19 vaccine getting bills for nearly $200
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 12:59 |
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Another estimate of BA.2.86 fitness: "Transmissibility, infectivity, and immune evasion of the SARS-CoV-2 BA.2.86 variant" https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00575-3/fulltext posted:(..)
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 13:04 |
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I am sure the RW will have a field day with this.https://www.newsweek.com/man-jailed-coughing-coworkers-while-covid-positive-1827926 posted:Man Who Had COVID Jailed for Coughing on Coworkers I am equally positive they will omit that last sentence.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 13:15 |
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The Singaporean guy’s crime is that he made a few specific people sick. If he had instead sickened abstract millions by his actions, he would be considered a great man.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 13:26 |
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Pingui posted:Nothing new for the thread, but the updated vaccine rollout is so amazingly lovely it bears repeating: I really hope I don’t get hit with this poo poo Saturday. I can barely afford it
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 13:30 |
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Platystemon posted:If he had instead sickened abstract millions by his actions, he would be considered a great man.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 13:35 |
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i don't want to slow anybody's roll but: between the lovely rollout and the known timing (i.e. that protection against infection lasts 2-3 months max), doesn't waiting until like late october for the boost make sense anyway (in america)? to let the system work itself out + maximize protection from thanksgiving through the new year?
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:05 |
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got a buddy who's probably positive. does paxlovid still work? thanks for any input!
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:14 |
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Petey posted:i don't want to slow anybody's roll but: between the lovely rollout and the known timing (i.e. that protection against infection lasts 2-3 months max), doesn't waiting until like late october for the boost make sense anyway (in america)? to let the system work itself out + maximize protection from thanksgiving through the new year? if you otherwise have a good handle on precautions, yeah, maybe. if you live with kids/a spouse who are out and about and unmasked, maybe not.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:18 |
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Metric Skeleton posted:(..) Yes. Check out the OP for links to telehealth.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:20 |
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Got the new juice, but Walgreens didn't have the pediatric shot yet, had no idea when it would show up, and were telling people the CDC hadn't ok'd it yet (CDC said everyone 6 months+ should get it)
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:26 |
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U-DO Burger posted:https://twitter.com/ZekeEmanuel/status/1703836379090665507?t=QaHJWhkshhbyhM0azc3bag&s=19 The local hospital megaconglomerate now has everyone in their ads masking in clinical settings this winter's gonna succkkkkk
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:27 |
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lol my supposedly good blue cross insurance won't cover the new covid booster and Walgreens wants $156 I loving hate this shithole country
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:30 |
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Nothus posted:lol my supposedly good blue cross insurance won't cover the new covid booster and Walgreens wants $156 wait what
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:31 |
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Confirmed by calling them (IBX). It's not covered.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:33 |
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amazing IBX does all their IT /data stuff through another Blue I used to work for (Highmark), dealing with IBX was always a tremendous pain in the rear end That said the policyholder determines what is and isn't covered, so I'd blame your employer
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:37 |
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Petey posted:i don't want to slow anybody's roll but: between the lovely rollout and the known timing (i.e. that protection against infection lasts 2-3 months max), doesn't waiting until like late october for the boost make sense anyway (in america)? to let the system work itself out + maximize protection from thanksgiving through the new year? Considering the way the new system is set up, I wouldn't necessarily count on anything beyond the bridge access program being available at that time. Ordering the minimum 200 doses doesn't really make sense, unless you expect many people getting the dose and right now is peak demand. All things considered this will drop of precipitously soon. Outside of liberal bastions, I absolutely wouldn't bet on it. And even inside those, I would consider it a big maybe. Pingui has issued a correction as of 14:44 on Sep 19, 2023 |
# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:40 |
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Nothus posted:Confirmed by calling them (IBX). It's not covered. Call your congressperson and complain, might be helpful if you look up just how much CARES Act money they pocketed. If that fails go to local media.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 14:42 |
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If you want your kids to get the pediatric vaccines, it might be a good shout to reach out to like-minded in your area or closest democratic stronghold city. Maybe a demand coalition can be built surpassing the dose ordering requirement. Best source I can find for the minimum orders (having checked other sources, this seems to be the same elsewhere) https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/vaccines/vaccine-presentation-asiis.pdf I can see how this would cause issues (particularly the 30-dose Pfizer minimum for 6m-4y, with 3 doses per vial). 10% of unused Moderna and 15% of unused Pfizer can be returned (possibly more of Pfizer, I am a bit confused by the phrasing): https://illinoisaap.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/September-ICAAP-Newsletter.pdf posted:(..)
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:11 |
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Bastard Tetris posted:yeah DIY PCR is easy as poo poo, I got my nieces a My First MolBio kit for Christmas last year OK but is it easy to go from having one of these kits to being able to test for COVID with incredible accuracy at home? Some of those kits were the price of a couple RATs. Why isn't this more of A Thing?
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:23 |
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Insanite posted:if you otherwise have a good handle on precautions, yeah, maybe. good point on the second thing, yeah — i am fortunate to be able to more or less control this, certainly moreso than a parent. on thing daniel griffin talks a lot about on twiv is that he gets (and recommends for his patient) two flu shots a year for this purpose, one in like september, and one again in january. i wonder if that would ever enter the guidance for covid. Pingui posted:Considering the way the new system is set up, I wouldn't necessarily count on anything beyond the bridge access program being available at that time. hm. you might be right, and i am definitely within a liberal bastion; my city has already announced universal free covid booster clinics across the city the entire last week of october.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:45 |
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Diamonds On MY Fish posted:OK but is it easy to go from having one of these kits to being able to test for COVID with incredible accuracy at home?
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:48 |
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Diamonds On MY Fish posted:So that tweet about the different tests a couple pages ago had a reply from someone talking about building his own PCR testing machine at home. I didn't know that was A Thing? How has a goon not done this yet? the thermocycler is probably the easiest part of the whole process. back in the day scientists would do the thermocycling manually by moving sample tubes between baths of water heated to specific temperatures, and the LAMP protocols for covid testing dont even need a thermocycle, just a constant temp. hell, you can get perfectly fine, if old, lab surplus thermocyclers on ebay for about the same cost as some of those DIY kits. the harder part is the (sometimes quite expensive) consumables and reagents. if you're running a lab and constantly churning through supplies, the costs are pretty reasonable compared to all the other money you're spending. a hobbyist might struggle to find it doable without paying out the rear end or wasting reagents. i think it's kinda like 3d printing, it only makes sense to do it yourself if you plan to do a LOT of it or there just aren't other options.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:51 |
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Petey posted:on thing daniel griffin talks a lot about on twiv is that he gets (and recommends for his patient) two flu shots a year for this purpose, one in like september, and one again in january. i wonder if that would ever enter the guidance for covid. considering the efficacy curve + last few cycles of early fall and winter waves, twice yearly makes a lot of sense in the US
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:52 |
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Pingui posted:Nothing new for the thread, but the updated vaccine rollout is so amazingly lovely it bears repeating: we have the
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:56 |
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SixteenShells posted:a hobbyist might struggle to find it doable without paying out the rear end or wasting reagents. I skimmed through until it said, just requires a signed MTA! for reagents. cool that the software is already built for this though
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 15:56 |
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Pingui posted:Nothing new for the thread, but the updated vaccine rollout is so amazingly lovely it bears repeating: It's ok people will be so excited for new vaccines that they'll deal with all this bullshit and uptake will be better than the bivalent when it was free and easy!
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:05 |
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Went to my CVS appointment anyway even after they said it was cancelled and I'm getting the new vaccine. I'll have to ask how many doses they have because they said 'I'm one of the lucky ones"
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:09 |
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dxt posted:It's ok people will be so excited for new vaccines that they'll deal with all this bullshit and uptake will be better than the bivalent when it was free and easy! I know you're joking but that is a real psychological thing that marketing do use to get people to buy things. Having something free and easy to get make people think it's a lower quality while something that cost $ and is gatekept slightly means it's a much better item. The trick is to not make it too expensive and hard to get because that would just make lot of people do a 180 and completely turn off the product.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:11 |
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If you are a serial tester a home PCR set up wouldn't be the worst idea. U can charge ur neighbors for one to recoup cost.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:13 |
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Petey posted:two flu shots a year Wait. That's a thing? That people can do? Does a second dose of the same juice really help? I'm starting to feel like getting extra vaccinations is like taking home the ducks at the park. Nobody's gonna stop you, so why not?
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:15 |
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SixteenShells posted:the thermocycler is probably the easiest part of the whole process. back in the day scientists would do the thermocycling manually by moving sample tubes between baths of water heated to specific temperatures, and the LAMP protocols for covid testing dont even need a thermocycle, just a constant temp. hell, you can get perfectly fine, if old, lab surplus thermocyclers on ebay for about the same cost as some of those DIY kits. the harder part is the (sometimes quite expensive) consumables and reagents. if you're running a lab and constantly churning through supplies, the costs are pretty reasonable compared to all the other money you're spending. a hobbyist might struggle to find it doable without paying out the rear end or wasting reagents. - results can be read via color change or precipitation of all the goddamn DNA it makes - sample prep is simpler, at least for SARS-CoV-2 of course, a notorious disadvantage of LAMP: - more false positives Anyway, NEB sells this kit: https://www.neb.com/en-us/products/e2019-sars-cov-2-rapid-colorimetric-lamp-assay-kit#Product%20Information. Not cheap but it does run a lot of reactions.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:15 |
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Post-booster: Bad sleep, pretty rundown today but I wouldn't say "sick"
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:16 |
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NeonPunk posted:I know you're joking but that is a real psychological thing that marketing do use to get people to buy things. Having something free and easy to get make people think it's a lower quality while something that cost $ and is gatekept slightly means it's a much better item. The trick is to not make it too expensive and hard to get because that would just make lot of people do a 180 and completely turn off the product. Maybe if it wasn't initially free it would have worked, but I don't see people getting excited to pay for something/deal with insurance for something that used to be free.
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:18 |
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dxt posted:Maybe if it wasn't initially free it would have worked, but I don't see people getting excited to pay for something/deal with insurance for something that used to be free. Now with New and Improved formula! This ain't your old vaccine you had! Idk, they could had gotten away with charging $30-40 for it but with how expensive and difficult it is to get a booster now, I get the feeling that whole lot of people are going to get frustrated and then rationalize that they never really needed the vaccine anyways, and so they won't bother getting it even if they start pushing it later in the winter
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:27 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 15:05 |
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What Zug said is correct, it’s not the techniques or equipment but the covid-specific reagents which are the limiting factor here. Also lmao my shadowy employer got Blue Cross so they totally hosed up vaccine coverage despite the fact we dragged pfizer and moderna across the finish line for this poo poo
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# ? Sep 19, 2023 16:35 |