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Paradoxish posted:

It's because we're actually in a lot of trouble and companies with the cash to fund their own infrastructure are finally catching on. Stuff like small reactors are the corporate equivalent of those rich people climate bunkers in New Zealand. It's based on the idea that enough money will potentially allow you to ride out widescale nation-state level insecurity.

Companies like Microsoft don't trust the US to be stable place with stable infrastructure and they're betting they can ride things out.

rich people, famously not cheapening out on stuff like the logitech f710 sub

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# ? May 25, 2024 00:15

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Palladium posted:

rich people, famously not cheapening out on stuff like the logitech f710 sub

The bunkers are a bad idea and won't work either, but it's not stopping them from trying

# ? Sep 25, 2023 04:30

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Paradoxish posted:

The bunkers are a bad idea and won't work either, but it's not stopping them from trying

They're just really into the idea of environmental story telling when someone finds their dried corpse surrounded by the corpses of their erstwhile guards a hundred years hence

# ? Sep 25, 2023 04:46

Joey Steel: Jul 24, 2019

Paradoxish posted:

It's because we're actually in a lot of trouble and companies with the cash to fund their own infrastructure are finally catching on. Stuff like small reactors are the corporate equivalent of those rich people climate bunkers in New Zealand. It's based on the idea that enough money will potentially allow you to ride out widescale nation-state level insecurity.

Companies like Microsoft don't trust the US to be a stable place with stable infrastructure and they're betting they can ride things out.

I'm a lot less worried about rich dolts working with SNRs of modern design versus
A crash program of RBMKs with I see as "option b".

# ? Sep 25, 2023 04:58

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Trump didn't do poo poo, a huge majority of the covid benefits was from Bernie Sanders threatening to deep-six the country if regular people didn't get 1/20 of what was being handed directly to megacorporations and the worst fascist small business owners. Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:02

Akratic Method: Mar 9, 2013; It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Paradoxish posted:

It's because we're actually in a lot of trouble and companies with the cash to fund their own infrastructure are finally catching on. Stuff like small reactors are the corporate equivalent of those rich people climate bunkers in New Zealand. It's based on the idea that enough money will potentially allow you to ride out widescale nation-state level insecurity.

Companies like Microsoft don't trust the US to be a stable place with stable infrastructure and they're betting they can ride things out.

It may also be about struggle between corporations for the declining surplus value. If you have your own source of electricity, that's one more supplier who you don't need to care about and can cut out. Kind of the corporate equivalent of the super rich starting to suck dry some of the lower echelons of the upper class because the middle and lower classes are no longer enough. The Gilded Age had a lot of vertical integration too, if I'm remembering right.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:04

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump didn't do poo poo, a huge majority of the covid benefits was from Bernie Sanders threatening to deep-six the country if regular people didn't get 1/20 of what was being handed directly to megacorporations and the worst fascist small business owners. Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

Bernie Sanders ftw

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:05

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump didn't do poo poo, a huge majority of the covid benefits was from Bernie Sanders threatening to deep-six the country if regular people didn't get 1/20 of what was being handed directly to megacorporations and the worst fascist small business owners. Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

The problem is that the "function of a system is what it does" interpretation of this inevitably leads to:
- Bernie (and leftlibs in general) will be firebrands as long as it's against Trump. Biden? Apparently not. Haley? Odds don't look good. The torturer with the sonnenrad campaign ads? Not even seeing much here.
- If Trump did not, unlike Biden, effectively promote it, and I don't think he did, then Trump, still unlike Biden, did not effectively stand in its way.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:09

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ohio is a red state?

Georgia is a red state? Didn't this one specifically go blue already

2 blue senators + ridin biden = chud state

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:09

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Mandoric posted:

The problem is that the "function of a system is what it does" interpretation of this inevitably leads to:
- Bernie (and leftlibs in general) will be firebrands as long as it's against Trump. Biden? Apparently not. Haley? Odds don't look good. The torturer with the sonnenrad campaign ads? Not even seeing much here.
- If Trump did not, unlike Biden, effectively promote it, and I don't think he did, then Trump, still unlike Biden, did not effectively stand in its way.

Yeah pretty much. Bernie had that one moment in Spring 2020 and then immediately conceded his influence for whatever reason. Garbage.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:10

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ohio is a red state?

Georgia is a red state? Didn't this one specifically go blue already

Pennsylvania voted trump

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:12

biceps crimes: Apr 12, 2008

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

that owns. Trump ftw

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:15

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Looking forward to the next election cycle, there's always so much good content during an election year

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:15

Joey Steel: Jul 24, 2019

Mandoric posted:

The torturer with the sonnenrad campaign ads? Not even seeing much here.

What in the actual gently caress?

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:21

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

thank you president trump

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:24

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

Joey Steel posted:

What in the actual gently caress?

Desantis, the IJA hardliners equivalent in our otherwise "I guess Tojo has a point" political milieu and as the highest-polling rival to Trump in the Republican primaries the recipient of yeah I bet you can imagine the media handling.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:31

Jon Pod Van Damm: Apr 6, 2009; THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
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2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:

at what point does one become a fascist?

we have posters like Crowsbeak where it�s like yeah you are a nationalist socialist Christian dominionist who wants to put folks in camps and brand them you are clearly a fascist.

But where�s the line? I mean authoritarianism isn�t enough. there�s a case for Stalinism and Maoism and more recently Xi thought.

but I don�t get the unironic Trump stuff. I mean Stephen the loving nazi Miller was a huge influence on immigration during his admin, which somehow you all a giving glumwheels poo poo for observing. it�s detached from reality.

1. Reject as propaganda any account of Soviet history during the Stalin period that by its rhetoric moralizing loaded language, vituperation, etc. shows that the author is not objective.

2. Reject as propaganda all accounts that refer to the Soviet Union as totalitarian, that use the terms Stalinist or Stalinism, that call Stalin a dictator, that claim the Soviet Union was ruled by terror or he used the term Great Terror instead of Yezhovshchina or bad time of Yezhov, that refer to the Gulag as death camps or the prisoners of slaves, that claim that Capitalist and imperialist states are democracies. Reject them.

3. Reject as propaganda any work that in any way attempts to compare the Stalin-era Soviet Union to Hitlerite Germany or Stalin to Hitler.

4. Reject as propaganda any writing that affirms the halatomor, that the Moscow trials were frame-ups, that Stalin had people shot, that collectivization was not necessary, that industrialization was brutal or didn't work.

5. Avoid all Trotskyist accounts about the Soviet Union including about Lenin, Stalin, Socialism in one country, or about Trotsky himself. No Trotskyist has questioned the cult of personality around Trotsky himself. No Trotskyists strive for objectivity. All Trotskyists fall afoul of confirmation bias.

6. Avoid specifically the site M*rxis dot org unless there is some text on that site that cannot be gotten in digital format anywhere else.

7. Reject any so-called Marxist theory that is not based on practice. That means that all theory that assumes the Khrushchev and post-Khrushchev lies about Soviet history of the Stalin period is false and has nothing to offer. Sure there may be a needle of truth in the haystack of empty verbiage but it'll take too much time to find it if it's there at all. Only theory based on an accurate understanding of the history of the Soviet Union during the Stalin years can possibly have anything beneficial to offer those of us who want to learn from the successes, and the failures of the Soviet union in order to do better next time.

8. Remember why all these anti-Communist anti-Stalin lies and propaganda exist in the first place. They exist because of the magnificent achievements of the Stalin years of the Soviet union. To name just a few

Collectivization of agriculture ending the thousand-plus year cycle of devastating famines.
Industrialization accomplishing in little more than a decade, and entirely without foreign investment relying solely on the Soviet working class and peasantry.
The defeat of the Nazi hordes and their allies.
The worldwide spread of the Communist movement through the Comintern.
The fight against racism. The fight against racism was pioneered in the Soviet Union.
The fight against discrimination against women. This is where International Women's Day was a holiday and the only place it was a holiday until in the 1960s.

Provision to all workers of:

Inexpensive housing
Inexpensive public transportation
Free education
Free higher education
Annual vacations
Universal medical care
Retirement and old age pensions

These are the some of the magnificent results of the Stalin era in the Soviet Union. That's why it's attacked.

The successful fight against the imperialism of the so-called democracies, democratic Capitalist countries
The big boost to unionization of workers in industrial countries
Forcing the Capitalist states to provide some degree of social welfare benefits for working people in order to blunt the attraction of the Communist movement

These are just a few of the reasons why pro-Capitalist and phony leftist pseudo-scholars falsify, distort, and just plain lie about Soviet history of the Stalin period.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:31

mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

The thread is also full of folks who seem to think despotism, the historically anti revolutionary reactionary mode of government is leftist.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:34

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

err posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1706137448210727327

ya that's good, i hope it pans out. i was predicting a 2024-time frame so i'm actually kinda surprised how quickly it happened

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:36

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Who?

O. Bama Taylor.

We all remember him fondly.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:36

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

quote:

Oakland police report more than 10,000 cars stolen to date in 2023
Oakland police report 10,547 stolen vehicles from Jan. 1 to Sept. 17 -- about 40 stolen cars a day.

good. that's a lot of cars but there's still 499.999 million cars in the US to steal

also lol at anyone dumb enough to buy a kia

Xaris has issued a correction as of 05:40 on Sep 25, 2023

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:37

Joey Steel: Jul 24, 2019

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

1. Reject as propaganda any account of Soviet history during the Stalin period that by its rhetoric moralizing loaded language, vituperation, etc. shows that the author is not objective.

2. Reject as propaganda all accounts that refer to the Soviet Union as totalitarian, that use the terms Stalinist or Stalinism, that call Stalin a dictator, that claim the Soviet Union was ruled by terror or he used the term Great Terror instead of Yezhovshchina or bad time of Yezhov, that refer to the Gulag as death camps or the prisoners of slaves, that claim that Capitalist and imperialist states are democracies. Reject them.

3. Reject as propaganda any work that in any way attempts to compare the Stalin-era Soviet Union to Hitlerite Germany or Stalin to Hitler.

4. Reject as propaganda any writing that affirms the halatomor, that the Moscow trials were frame-ups, that Stalin had people shot, that collectivization was not necessary, that industrialization was brutal or didn't work.

5. Avoid all Trotskyist accounts about the Soviet Union including about Lenin, Stalin, Socialism in one country, or about Trotsky himself. No Trotskyist has questioned the cult of personality around Trotsky himself. No Trotskyists strive for objectivity. All Trotskyists fall afoul of confirmation bias.

6. Avoid specifically the site M*rxis dot org unless there is some text on that site that cannot be gotten in digital format anywhere else.

7. Reject any so-called Marxist theory that is not based on practice. That means that all theory that assumes the Khrushchev and post-Khrushchev lies about Soviet history of the Stalin period is false and has nothing to offer. Sure there may be a needle of truth in the haystack of empty verbiage but it'll take too much time to find it if it's there at all. Only theory based on an accurate understanding of the history of the Soviet Union during the Stalin years can possibly have anything beneficial to offer those of us who want to learn from the successes, and the failures of the Soviet union in order to do better next time.

8. Remember why all these anti-Communist anti-Stalin lies and propaganda exist in the first place. They exist because of the magnificent achievements of the Stalin years of the Soviet union. To name just a few

Collectivization of agriculture ending the thousand-plus year cycle of devastating famines.

Industrialization accomplishing in little more than a decade, and entirely without foreign investment relying solely on the Soviet working class and peasantry.

The defeat of the Nazi hordes and their allies.

The worldwide spread of the Communist movement through the Comintern.

The fight against racism. The fight against racism was pioneered in the Soviet Union.

The fight against discrimination against women. This is where International Women's Day was a holiday and the only place it was a holiday until in the 1960s.

Provision to all workers of:

Inexpensive housing

Inexpensive public transportation

Free education

Free higher education

Annual vacations

Universal medical care

Retirement and old age pensions

These are the some of the magnificent results of the Stalin era in the Soviet Union. That's why it's attacked.

The successful fight against the imperialism of the so-called democracies, democratic Capitalist countries

The big boost to unionization of workers in industrial countries

Forcing the Capitalist states to provide some degree of social welfare benefits for working people in order to blunt the attraction of the Communist movement

These are just a few of the reasons why pro-Capitalist and phony leftist pseudo-scholars falsify, distort, and just plain lie about Soviet history of the Stalin period.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:38

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump didn't do poo poo, a huge majority of the covid benefits was from Bernie Sanders threatening to deep-six the country if regular people didn't get 1/20 of what was being handed directly to megacorporations and the worst fascist small business owners. Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

trump was a great and magical president which is why we must vote him in to expel braindead biden.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:46

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bernie Sanders ftw

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:48

Akratic Method: Mar 9, 2013; It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

RadiRoot posted:

trump was a great and magical president which is why we must vote him in to expel braindead biden.

actually I have it on good authority from the thread that there's no difference at all between biden and trump

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:50

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

there's been way too much taintrunning recently and it ain't even election season yet. hold it in your pants for a little bit longer. smdh

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:53

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bernie Sanders ftw

# ? Sep 25, 2023 05:58

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

SKULL.GIF posted:

Trump didn't do poo poo, a huge majority of the covid benefits was from Bernie Sanders threatening to deep-six the country if regular people didn't get 1/20 of what was being handed directly to megacorporations and the worst fascist small business owners. Trump just signed off on it so everyone could get his signature in the mail.

trump extended the relief by executive order in sept. 2020 bc pelosi refused to give him an election leg-up, lol. She even admitted it at the time, saying something like "why would we help him win the election?"

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:00

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

SKULL.GIF posted:

Yeah pretty much. Bernie had that one moment in Spring 2020 and then immediately conceded his influence for whatever reason. Garbage.

lol, wonder what could've happened to make him "concede his influence"

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:01

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

Willa Rogers posted:

lol, wonder what could've happened to make him "concede his influence"

I mean, tbh, I'd be homeless if I wasn't the personal servant of a Vermont counterculture rent-got-too-high-in-Hartford-in-the-early-80s type, there was a genuine political transformation for the worse here in the late 2010s even if we did manage to tell the lady who went "but I was in Geneva as an expat! residency requirements shouldn't apply to me!" to gently caress off. He bought the line that he was the problem in '16 and it took the heart out of him harder than any heart attack gun could.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:06

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

That said, please cast your vote for brother west in the g.e. if you're going to vote.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:07

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

1. Reject as propaganda any account of Soviet history during the Stalin period that by its rhetoric moralizing loaded language, vituperation, etc. shows that the author is not objective.

2. Reject as propaganda all accounts that refer to the Soviet Union as totalitarian, that use the terms Stalinist or Stalinism, that call Stalin a dictator, that claim the Soviet Union was ruled by terror or he used the term Great Terror instead of Yezhovshchina or bad time of Yezhov, that refer to the Gulag as death camps or the prisoners of slaves, that claim that Capitalist and imperialist states are democracies. Reject them.

3. Reject as propaganda any work that in any way attempts to compare the Stalin-era Soviet Union to Hitlerite Germany or Stalin to Hitler.

4. Reject as propaganda any writing that affirms the halatomor, that the Moscow trials were frame-ups, that Stalin had people shot, that collectivization was not necessary, that industrialization was brutal or didn't work.

5. Avoid all Trotskyist accounts about the Soviet Union including about Lenin, Stalin, Socialism in one country, or about Trotsky himself. No Trotskyist has questioned the cult of personality around Trotsky himself. No Trotskyists strive for objectivity. All Trotskyists fall afoul of confirmation bias.

6. Avoid specifically the site M*rxis dot org unless there is some text on that site that cannot be gotten in digital format anywhere else.

7. Reject any so-called Marxist theory that is not based on practice. That means that all theory that assumes the Khrushchev and post-Khrushchev lies about Soviet history of the Stalin period is false and has nothing to offer. Sure there may be a needle of truth in the haystack of empty verbiage but it'll take too much time to find it if it's there at all. Only theory based on an accurate understanding of the history of the Soviet Union during the Stalin years can possibly have anything beneficial to offer those of us who want to learn from the successes, and the failures of the Soviet union in order to do better next time.

8. Remember why all these anti-Communist anti-Stalin lies and propaganda exist in the first place. They exist because of the magnificent achievements of the Stalin years of the Soviet union. To name just a few

Collectivization of agriculture ending the thousand-plus year cycle of devastating famines.

Industrialization accomplishing in little more than a decade, and entirely without foreign investment relying solely on the Soviet working class and peasantry.

The defeat of the Nazi hordes and their allies.

The worldwide spread of the Communist movement through the Comintern.

The fight against racism. The fight against racism was pioneered in the Soviet Union.

The fight against discrimination against women. This is where International Women's Day was a holiday and the only place it was a holiday until in the 1960s.

Provision to all workers of:

Inexpensive housing

Inexpensive public transportation

Free education

Free higher education

Annual vacations

Universal medical care

Retirement and old age pensions

These are the some of the magnificent results of the Stalin era in the Soviet Union. That's why it's attacked.

The successful fight against the imperialism of the so-called democracies, democratic Capitalist countries

The big boost to unionization of workers in industrial countries

Forcing the Capitalist states to provide some degree of social welfare benefits for working people in order to blunt the attraction of the Communist movement

These are just a few of the reasons why pro-Capitalist and phony leftist pseudo-scholars falsify, distort, and just plain lie about Soviet history of the Stalin period.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:07

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Mandoric posted:

I mean, tbh, I'd be homeless if I wasn't the personal servant of a Vermont counterculture rent-got-too-high-in-Hartford-in-the-early-80s type, there was a genuine political transformation for the worse here in the late 2010s even if we did manage to tell the lady who went "but I was in Geneva as an expat! residency requirements shouldn't apply to me!" to gently caress off. He bought the line that he was the problem in '16 and it took the heart out of him harder than any heart attack gun could.

yah, it was a bunch of things, including worries that he'd be contributing to covid deaths if he kept campaigning.

mainly, though, he never had a chance either time he ran bc they made sure he never had a chance.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:09

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

despotism ftw

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:09

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

mark immune posted:

The thread is also full of folks who seem to think despotism, the historically anti revolutionary reactionary mode of government is leftist.

been saying this

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:23

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

These are just a few of the reasons why pro-Capitalist and phony leftist pseudo-scholars falsify, distort, and just plain lie about Soviet history of the Stalin period.

This looks like it's copy-pasted from somewhere; where's it originally from?

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:26

StealthArcher: Jan 10, 2010

It's a credit to cspam that even "We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" can be made to take 2000 words to say.

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:30

Jon Pod Van Damm: Apr 6, 2009; THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC

Chamale posted:

This looks like it's copy-pasted from somewhere; where's it originally from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dgp7J5DcU

Boomers ftw

Jon Pod Van Damm has issued a correction as of 06:49 on Sep 25, 2023

# ? Sep 25, 2023 06:33

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

Xaris posted:

good. that's a lot of cars but there's still 499.999 million cars in the US to steal

also lol at anyone dumb enough to buy a kia

whats so great about kias all the sudden that everyone wants one

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# ? May 25, 2024 00:15

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Shear Modulus posted:

why are people stealing kias in particular?

you can just plug a usb cable into one and it'll start. it's a popular meme car to steal bc its so easy and kia's skimped out on $100 immobilizers lol

# ? Sep 25, 2023 07:19

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