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MikeCrotch posted:Bears/WR is pretty horrible too, iirc one of their top 5 recievers is a flanker from like the 40s 6 out of the top 10 all time Bears by receiving yards aren't even wide receivers.
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Purdy is probably in the same boat as Brady in that he is surrounded by talent and excellent play calling and scheming, so he can just be a football robot and succeed because beep boop deebo is open pass to him on the far side Brady's early years he wasn't surrounded by great talent. That 2001 offense was especially low on talent, and 03 and 04 weren't that much better but they did add Corey Dillon at RB. Then in 2007 he unexpectedly turned into one of the best passers in the league with the addition of Moss and beat Manning's TD mark which nobody saw coming.
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Oct 9, 2023 20:13
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MikeCrotch posted:Patriots/WR the Pats have traded for/drafted Welker, Moss, and Edelman, three dudes who performed at a level Ravens fans can't even imagine, while Boldin and Smith were productive but nothing spectacular by the time the Ravens got them. not to say NE is good at it, but there's at least a few moves you can hang your hat on Bears, though, yeah.
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Pablo Bluth posted:You see the problem is that all the Jets "QBs" the past few years have been so bad they technically fail to qualify as QBs and hence roughing the passing cannot be applied. Aha, the little-known RTP analogue to how DPI isn't called if the throw was such dogshit that the receiver never had a chance to catch it anyway.
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the thing with Purdy is that he's good but specifically good in Shanahan's offense where there's often gonna be a guy schemed open and your job is to be decisive and throw that first read You could count on one hand the number of QBs in the league who can succeed independent of offensive playcalling/scheme
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the thing with Purdy is that he's good but specifically good in Shanahan's offense where there's often gonna be a guy schemed open and your job is to be decisive and throw that first read FAT32 SHAMER posted:Purdy is probably in the same boat as Brady in that he is surrounded by talent and excellent play calling and scheming, so he can just be a football robot and succeed because beep boop deebo is open pass to him on the far side Thats the thing about Purdy though - he may not have the strongest arm and the system may be excellent, its not as simple as "first read is open". Many of the concepts in the system require the pass catcher to make a judgement call on which way to break and also, for the QB, "if the first read is covered that means the second read should be open" and its a skill to be on the same page as your pass catchers and to be confident and decisive to know which read to throw to. I have seen videos of Daboll scheming pass catchers open but Daniel Jones is incapable of throwing with anticipation so he never hits the guys that end up open, meanwhile Brock is throwing with great anticipation to the correct, open, read extremely well. Yes it is somewhat robotic but its not as simple as "throw down the right hash at 1.5 seconds with a 30 degree arc" => success
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indigi posted:the Pats have traded for/drafted Welker, Moss, and Edelman, three dudes who performed at a level Ravens fans can't even imagine, while Boldin and Smith were productive but nothing spectacular by the time the Ravens got them. not to say NE is good at it, but there's at least a few moves you can hang your hat on We're not as bad when it comes to signing and trading for WRs. Qadry Ismail, Derrick Mason, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith. Some of the ones recently have sucked but none of them were real big signings/trades like a few of those. I'll even count Marcus Robinson in 2003 as a good signing. Boldin's 2012 playoff run was probably the best period for a Ravens WR ever signing or drafted. Also I think if there were a system that was so easy that any QB could succeed in it pretty much every team would be running that. Purdy is just a good player.
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Cop labour unions :: referee labour unions cops go on strike and we get fewer people arrested for Driving While Black. not quite the same
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indigi posted:the Pats have traded for/drafted Welker, Moss, and Edelman, three dudes who performed at a level Ravens fans can't even imagine, while Boldin and Smith were productive but nothing spectacular by the time the Ravens got them. not to say NE is good at it, but there's at least a few moves you can hang your hat on The Patriots have drafted zero WR worth a poo poo since Edelman, in drafts where you could throw darts blindfolded and find one. Edelman was also a 7th round project where it didn't actually matter if he became anything or not. He also played QB in college
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the thing with Purdy is that he's good but specifically good in Shanahan's offense where there's often gonna be a guy schemed open and your job is to be decisive and throw that first read One of Purdy's biggest strengths is how fast he makes his progressions actually.
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I think Purdy's strengths are very well tailored to Shanahan's offense but he's definitely not a one-read QB, as said above he's more like a football robot, at least to date. If Shanny schemes open a wide open option one, well hey fantastic, but one of the first things that jumped out with Purdy was how he just flew through reads and if everything was blanketed had enough elusiveness to improvise and let one of his targets find some space. This is a great spot to maximize his strengths but I don't think that means any old rear end in a top hat could do it, certainly not at this level.indigi posted:oh that's totally fair, he's been very good over most (all?) of those starts, actively helping the offense win games. writing off the actual accomplishments he's had is silly I think part of the issue is the (mostly knowingly over-exuberant) "next Tom Brady!!!" stuff which is of course several bridges too far and not fair to anybody but I think mostly just people having fun with it because it was fun for Mr Irrelevant to come in and look perfectly capable. But I think people wanting to reality check the hyperbole got hyperbolic in the opposite direction where everything he does is supposedly the easiest thing anyone has ever done and now we have a Brock Purdy Discourse where he's either literally Joe Montana Jr. or Kyle Shanahan's ventriloquist dummy and I don't think either is very fair to him. Really, though, the only relevant question for the Niners is if he's gonna be worth a dumptruck worth of money when he's extension-eligible. I'm pretty bullish on him but I'm also glad they have a lot of games of info to take in before they have to make that call.
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Pron on VHS posted:The Chiefs almost lost to the Jets. Haven’t scored 30 in a game yet. Scoring a ton does help in the playoffs. Putting 70 on a team does mean something! But all 3 teams play each other this season so in a few weeks we will know more. Would it make you feel better if Mahomes ran that touchdown in and the Chiefs then would be above 30 and beat the Jets by 10
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Pablo Bluth posted:You see the problem is that all the Jets "QBs" the past few years have been so bad they technically fail to qualify as QBs and hence roughing the passing cannot be applied. This is literally what refs think.
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kiimo posted:Would it make you feel better if Mahomes ran that touchdown in and the Chiefs then would be above 30 and beat the Jets by 10 I would've felt better if the Jets didn't get hosed by the refs on a 60 yard TD run that should've been called back and on an interception that the refs gave Mahomes a mulligan on tbh.
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Dutchy posted:I think part of the issue is the (mostly knowingly over-exuberant) "next Tom Brady!!!" stuff which is of course several bridges too far and not fair to anybody but I think mostly just people having fun with it because it was fun for Mr Irrelevant to come in and look perfectly capable. I think "next Tom Brady!!!" at least partially comes from the fact that at least to people with eyes as untrained as mine Tom Brady also looks like a football robot. Purdy's success looks like Brady's success. Few hilarious scrambles or dramatic long bombs, just oh hey another first down??
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kiimo posted:Take a ref breather McMagic I can't believe I'm saying this, given who you're replying to, but the refs consistently hosed the Jets in that game. The missed holding call, the pick that got called back, the no call on Wilson getting loving mugged; I realize bad officiating is part of sports but that interception call was the definition of a ticky tack call. And it absolutely cost the Jets the game. I'd be angry, too. (I'm still taking the Chiefs seriously until they get eliminated) El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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CannonFodder posted:referees go on strike and we get horrible replacement refs *throws flag at you* unsportsmanlike conduct bucko, that’ll be 15 yards
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the thing with Purdy is that he's good but specifically good in Shanahan's offense where there's often gonna be a guy schemed open and your job is to be decisive and throw that first read Maybe those other coaches should come up with a scheme that's gets their receivers open too?
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Purdy played four years behind mediocre to terrible Iowa state OLs where he was 1 of 3 playmakers that could maybe win the game if he scrambled just right and pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Chilling out and just being a consistent cog in a well functioning machine is probably easy mode for him.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I can't believe I'm saying this, given who you're replying to, but the refs consistently hosed the Jets in that game. The missed holding call, the pick that got called back, the no call on Wilson getting loving mugged; I realize bad officiating is part of sports but that interception call was the definition of a ticky tack call. And it absolutely cost the Jets the game. this is the week 5 aftermath thread though
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kiimo posted:this is the week 5 aftermath thread though Good thing there wasn't a game changing call that went in the Cheif's favor in the last minutes of the game in week 5!!!! oh wait................
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I can't believe I'm saying this, given who you're replying to, but the refs consistently hosed the Jets in that game. The missed holding call, the pick that got called back, the no call on Wilson getting loving mugged; I realize bad officiating is part of sports but that interception call was the definition of a ticky tack call. And it absolutely cost the Jets the game. The jets also benefited from a safety that wasn’t a safety and had a drive extended by a horse collar that wasn’t a horse collar. The officiating was what it was, and no amount of being mad about specific calls is gonna change that, ever.
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mcmagic posted:Are you an NFL ref? Worse. I'm the VP of Officiating  mcmagic posted:Good thing there wasn't a game changing call that went in the Cheif's favor in the last minutes of the game in week 5!!!! oh wait................ I called this one in. Nervous fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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epic bacon posted:all refs are bastards
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No Butt Stuff posted:The jets also benefited from a safety that wasn’t a safety and had a drive extended by a horse collar that wasn’t a horse collar. The officiating was what it was, and no amount of being mad about specific calls is gonna change that, ever. Very easy to say this when your team gets handed games by refs 2 weeks in a row.
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CapnAndy posted:Unfortunate acronym, sadly. AZAB
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mcmagic posted:Very easy to say this when your team gets handed games by refs 2 weeks in a row. There’s really no point in arguing with you. Take a deep breath.
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:AZAB
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I just want to know why the DB was allowed to take his helmet off and the ref just told him to put it back on instead of flagging him
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a neat cape posted:I just want to know why the DB was allowed to take his helmet off and the ref just told him to put it back on instead of flagging him Didn’t they say in the broadcast that with the flag down, play was stopped? I dunno, doesn’t make a ton of sense.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Didn’t they say in the broadcast that with the flag down, play was stopped? I dunno, doesn’t make a ton of sense. I think you're still not allowed to just take your helmet off. At the worst, it should have been a dead ball foul. I dunno
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No Butt Stuff posted:Didn’t they say in the broadcast that with the flag down, play was stopped? I dunno, doesn’t make a ton of sense. No they said in the broadcast that's 100% a penalty and there was no explanation for him not getting flagged
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Thats the thing about Purdy though - he may not have the strongest arm and the system may be excellent, its not as simple as "first read is open". Many of the concepts in the system require the pass catcher to make a judgement call on which way to break and also, for the QB, "if the first read is covered that means the second read should be open" and its a skill to be on the same page as your pass catchers and to be confident and decisive to know which read to throw to. I have seen videos of Daboll scheming pass catchers open but Daniel Jones is incapable of throwing with anticipation so he never hits the guys that end up open, meanwhile Brock is throwing with great anticipation to the correct, open, read extremely well. Yes it is somewhat robotic but its not as simple as "throw down the right hash at 1.5 seconds with a 30 degree arc" => success Here's a really good look at what he's doing from the Cardinals game. Watch his feet as he goes through his reads, he's set to throw the ball on every read, as he makes them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58J5uOc_FWA
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CannonFodder posted:referees go on strike and we get horrible replacement refs They do both get to investigate themselves and declare “it was fine” with no recourse or oversight. So I feel like the analogy holds up
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AndrewP posted:https://twitter.com/PFF_Brad/status/1711411832282353884#m I'm not really worried about Lamar, he's gonna have his hiccups because he's Just Having Fun Out There but he's fine
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