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Gripweed posted:OK why was the GM Cardigan a good all-rounder? Because Fumina didn't have any teammates and had to do everything by herself. Remember that her primary motivation at the beginning of the show was getting teammates. That's why the Cardigan can do melee, middle range, and long range shooting, and has extra armor so it can take a pounding without being overloaded. It's a balance suit that can fill as many roles as possible. It's also extremely unglamorous, it's a GM. It's a problem the series creates so Sekai can be center-stage and the focus of every fight. Because Fumina turns into parts for Sekai to make him look better on-screen, and Yuuma gets to exist offscreen as The Sniper for 90% of the time. Also when your teammates are a close-range melee specialist and a long-range sniper, a mid-range GM with a variety of tools and weaponry to engage at various ranges is the perfect complement as you're covering both their shortfalls and can still engage enemies solo. The only reason it gets dropped is because otherwise Sekai might not be the center of every fight because the GM Cardigan could demonstrably throw down on its own.
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This poo poo doesn't even go to UC 0223? C'mon.
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Whats the furthest point in the UC timeline? Half a millenium or something?
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Synthbuttrange posted:Whats the furthest point in the UC timeline? Half a millenium or something? Cyber Newtype Story: MAD WANG 1160 as the name implies is set in UC 1160, though obviously it's out of continuity, though at least in its case that's because it was published in 1994
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Synthbuttrange posted:Whats the furthest point in the UC timeline? Half a millenium or something? Is mentioning G-Reco and Turn A cheating here?
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Synthbuttrange posted:Whats the furthest point in the UC timeline? Half a millenium or something? Also depends on your definition of "UC timeline." Is UC timeline the Universal Century calendar marking? UC "the original Tomino timeline through Turn-A and Greco?" And if you want to be really pedantic, the answer is "Wherever Banana and Full Porno Name ended up after they rode the rainbow."
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Warmachine posted:Also depends on your definition of "UC timeline." Is UC timeline the Universal Century calendar marking? UC "the original Tomino timeline through Turn-A and Greco?" If you don't count that, and excluding Mad Wang for countless reasons, the endpoint is the G-Savior PS1 game. Full English dialogue, with a lot more old UC references than in the film. (You even have a mission set around a dropped colony, if memory serves). It's also, as far as I know, the only official Gundam media where someone says "gently caress!", so it has that going for it. As a game, it's a quick little 7/10 with an incredibly bullshit last boss, but considering the source material, it's an outright triumph.
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chiasaur11 posted:If you don't count that, and excluding Mad Wang for countless reasons, the endpoint is the G-Savior PS1 game. Full English dialogue, with a lot more old UC references than in the film. (You even have a mission set around a dropped colony, if memory serves). My recollection was that said colony was the Angel Halo, which is even more UC specific.
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Re-watched Unicorn and re-read thoughts on it from this thread. It was the first Gundam series I'd seen other than the MSG trilogy a few years ago. Picked it by looking at a image of every protags Gundam and deciding it looked the coolest. Coming back to it, it's probably still my favorite so far. I didn't appreciate the music the first time through but after listing to the soundtracks on their own (a lot) I realized how much it impacted my investment in what was happening. ninjewtsu posted:to restate an opinion i'm pretty sure i've given in this thread a number of times: Other than the indifference to Banagher this is pretty much exactly how I feel about the series as well. I'm also not super invested in the older canon so didn't notice the tweaks to the continuity the first time through, and it didn't bother me the second time. With this rewatch I think I've made it through every series I was actively interested in watching. Any recommendations what to check out next? I have seen MSG trilogy movies, Z, ZZ, CCA, 0080, 08 MS, Unicorn, Origin, IBO, and G Witch. Unicorn, IBO, G Witch, 08 MS, and MSG top 5.
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PhoenixFlaccus posted:Re-watched Unicorn and re-read thoughts on it from this thread. It was the first Gundam series I'd seen other than the MSG trilogy a few years ago. Picked it by looking at a image of every protags Gundam and deciding it looked the coolest. Coming back to it, it's probably still my favorite so far. I didn't appreciate the music the first time through but after listing to the soundtracks on their own (a lot) I realized how much it impacted my investment in what was happening. Go watch G Gundam
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Glaring absence of Turn A.
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haypliss posted:Glaring absence of Turn A.
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I will die on the hill that X is good and deserved to not be cut short. But, yes, objectively, haypliss posted:Glaring absence of Turn A.
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Going in Blind of with a few Gundam shows is okay for Turn A and it'll still be great but also it'll mean more if you have more Gundam shows watched as well
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Whatever you think about Unicorn, the song loving rips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiUwIFV_cM
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Eh, the Unicorn main theme is a bit too busy IMO. It's fine but for me the real gems of the Unicorn OST are the quieter songs where less is more and the melody doesn't get buried in the instruments. For action tunes though I do love Mobile Suit and Bring On A War. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6j_mgI59WM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQRNimdhxG4
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If anyone is interested I started this playlist from thread suggestions a while back. https://spotify.link/7ipYULefPDb
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I think turn a works fine even for just an epilogue cap-off to the 'core' of UC+a couple early AUs, since anything after it is (to varying degrees) shaped by turn a's whole statement on what gundam essentially IS. as opposed to the other way around, where all the previous riffs on "what are the core themes of gundam" eventually flowed into turn a
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PhoenixFlaccus posted:With this rewatch I think I've made it through every series I was actively interested in watching. Any recommendations what to check out next? I have seen MSG trilogy movies, Z, ZZ, CCA, 0080, 08 MS, Unicorn, Origin, IBO, and G Witch. Unicorn, IBO, G Witch, 08 MS, and MSG top 5. look i know it's not for everyone but gundam thunderbolt: december sky is only one hour long. it's at least worth checking out to see if you like what it's doing
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Actually it is for everyone and only freaks and weirdos hate it
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It’s not for everyone, but G-Saviour is only an hour and a half!
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Let's McFucking do it then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZLFxPBrKjM
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Stairmaster posted:Actually it is for everyone and only freaks and weirdos hate it You're in an anime forum. Freaks and weirdos are the default.
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Waffleman_ posted:Let's McFucking do it then Welp checking it off the list. Had no idea this exists. Surprised Sunrise doesn’t DMCA this masterpiece.
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PhoenixFlaccus posted:Welp checking it off the list. Had no idea this exists. Surprised Sunrise doesn’t DMCA this masterpiece. They actually went pretty big when it released in Japan. They had an audio drama, novels, a cutting edge HG kit, and a Playstation 2 game with full English voice acting. They wanted to make this a major New Gundam Line. And then the film came out, and they tried to quietly sweep everything under the rug, to the point I suspect it isn't taken down because that requires admitting it exists. Combined with Turn A's low ratings, Gundam went more low key for a bit. It would be a lie to suggest there was a hiatus (Evolve and Green Diver had releases in 2001, even aside from kits), but it was a change from the mid-90s Gundam flood, and if SEED hadn't been such a huge hit in pretty much every way, it's hard to say how things would have gone. Now, of course, even a genuine flop like AGE won't slow down the Gundam rush, but back then, things were different.
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haypliss posted:Glaring absence of Turn A.
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brainwrinkle posted:It’s not for everyone, but G-Saviour is only an hour and a half! G-Saviour defender here, it’s really not terrible! It’s a 90s made-for-TV movie, so if you adjust your expectations to that level, it’s a cheesy fun time with some surprisingly good direction! And I really like the battle scene, the dated CGI and animation works in the favor of the movie to give the giant robots some weight.
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Yeah, G-Saviour is still technically UC canon, but Sunrise doesn't like to talk about it.
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ninjewtsu posted:...who is saying that? I remember it going around Twitter occasionally. Some posters were like, "I'm glad AGE is finally getting the reevaluation it deserves!" but in response to absolutely nothing. It felt like they were trying to will a new appreciation for AGE into existence, as a joke.
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ninjewtsu posted:...who is saying that? Gripweed posted:I remember it going around Twitter occasionally. Some posters were like, "I'm glad AGE is finally getting the reevaluation it deserves!" but in response to absolutely nothing. It felt like they were trying to will a new appreciation for AGE into existence, as a joke. This yeah. I honestly can't comprehend it- it's not like this is an issue where the climate wasn't right or it had a bad start but got better. AGE just, to me, seemed bad overall with a few good spots that don't make it worthwhile.
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