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Popy posted:this should be the theme song of C-SPAM The lyrics keep getting harder the further it goes.
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mcmagic posted:I mean gently caress this guy but no one should be fired for shitposting imo. Many times as many people are going to be fired for expressing the correct opinion supporting palentinians. That is probably true unfortunately. Leaving aside the balance between free speech and hate speech, which I think is a false dichotomy. I think defenders of free speech fail to reckon with the fact that every society, even and especially The United States, engages in censorship, firing people for controversial opinions, or just straight up criminalizing certain political positions. It always happens no matter how free speech they claim to be. It's because of this idea called the Overton Window. There is a sliver, could be wide, could be thin, of opinions that are considered normal and acceptable to have and outside of which, opinions are considered controversial, bizarre, unthinkable, and even criminal. For all the United States claims that they prize anything goes free speech, there was a time where in some states, being against slavery was criminalized, even a capital offense during the civil war. Later you could go to jail for opposing the draft or US entry into WWI. Let's not forget the red scare, the assassination of Fred Hampton, COINTELPRO, or the persecution of Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers. All of which has happened while the first amendment was the supposed law of the land. But the window shifts. In the case of slavery, wanting to re legalize slavery in the United States is considered crazy talk and hate speech. A complete reversal. Do not investigate where your consumer good came from though. People who claim that free speech should be absolute and that the US is a paragon of free speech will write those exceptions of as mistakes or misapplications but they are the system working as intended. America needs the promise of liberalism and democracy to maintain buy in and legitimacy for its empire but often finds itself inconvenienced when those obligations come due. So they contrive exceptions, attribute them to bad supreme court rulings or bad presidents or mistakes or emergency measures. But in my view, those exceptions are more interesting and telling than the rule we pretend to uphold. So coming back to hate speech and Israel versus Palestine. The US is inconvenienced by pesky outside agitators and obviously foreign propaganda and "the spread of misinformation" so they get friendly compliant media that is part of the Washington Consensus to isolate and marginalize dissenting voices as weirdos and then they start the pressure campaign to get us fired. My take is that if the government can cast aside free speech when it needs to keep a war and genocide going, why should we fear advocating for bans on hate speech. This is an ideological battle and we need to take power and when we take what power we can, we have to press our agenda and our paradigm. We don't have free speech and we never have. We have a corridor of allowable dissent. That corridor selectively lets in far right and normalizes ghoulish pro-war liberals and neoconservatives and its getting worse. Where we have power and influence, we must shut out hate speech. We must push back against people stripping us of our speech, not because it is anti-free speech but because their point of view is wrong and genocidal and our is just and correct.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ox=1697350706-1quote:Israel should stop its “ collective punishment” of Gaza’s civilians with actions beyond self-defence, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said, warning it would worsen regional tensions and lead to humanitarian disaster. China taking the international lead on siege relief.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ox=1697350706-1 
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Live Hamás
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mcmagic posted:I mean gently caress this guy but no one should be fired for shitposting imo. Many times as many people are going to be fired for expressing the correct opinion supporting palentinians. true but i still wanna get a "lol owned" out there
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Read a few pages then decided to declare bankruptcy. Glad to see we are joined by the al-Pecksniff Martyr Brigade.
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Death By The Blues posted:A little more but Hersh is saying they are absolutely planning to use MOABs/Bunker Busters This is madness. Real sick poo poo
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1713310269391212590?s=20 Gritty Captain Planet reboot
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ox=1697350706-1 lol China just clowning on all the western nations in terms of humanity in this situation, not that shocking honestly.
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Exposed Beit Hanoun up there by the upper right is going to be a omen of things to come. If the IDF cannot take it, then the other urban agglomerations are going to be a bloodbath. IDF success on the other hand, means that progress is going to correspond to the level of bombs spent and remaining.
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Blackhawk posted:lol China just clowning on all the western nations in terms of humanity in this situation, not that shocking honestly. Which would be odd, seeing how they have been doing worse to the people they subjugated for a very long time.
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Mean Baby posted:Which would be odd, seeing how they have been doing worse to the people they subjugated for a very long time. Not gonna risk a 24er for posting further in D&D but I really want to know what the gently caress they think China did to the Uighurs because I don't think China forcibly evacuated a million of them and them bombed their convoys, hospitals and ambulances. I'm not up on D&D lore on this one; I assume this is some kind of Adrian Zenz nonsense?
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/1713399901688598603 Yeah that's always kind of the liberal pressure release valve when a situation has gotten a little too real. You can always just check out, say something vague about mental health, act like you're actually kind of the victim here because it's all been so hard on you, and ghost. It works every time, until of course it's something that effects you personally, in which case you can just throw in with the fascists
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Mean Baby posted:Which would be odd, seeing how they have been doing worse to the people they subjugated for a very long time. 
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PostNouveau posted:Not gonna risk a 24er for posting further in D&D but I really want to know what the gently caress they think China did to the Uighurs because I don't think China forcibly evacuated a million of them and them bombed their convoys, hospitals and ambulances. I'm not up on D&D lore on this one; I assume this is some kind of Adrian Zenz nonsense? White Supremacy is a hell of a drug
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's old topic by now but it's really amazing how social media has exposed the latest generations of failkids to public exposure that is completely unprecedented to them and they have absolutely no ability to handle, it's the first time they've ever been in an environment not designed to cater to them and/or mould them in a specific image. In a way I’m almost ready to say the internet is finally a good thing. For the first time in the I/P conflicts long history it’s created a huge hole in the official narrative, by beaming Israel’s crimes (and Israelis themselves openly bragging about their fascism to their selfie cams and twitters) directly into peoples eyes in a way that can’t be mitigated by the medias “context” or just erased. And the pseudo-anonymity of being “XxWeedlord 69xX” is allowing people a place to say “This is really hosed up” without getting fired for wrongthink. And it’s really hurting the image of the ruling class because they are just too stupid to not understand that on social media the peasants can reply to your posts in ways other than sycophantry because you can’t fire them for getting uppity.
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PostNouveau posted:Not gonna risk a 24er for posting further in D&D but I really want to know what the gently caress they think China did to the Uighurs because I don't think China forcibly evacuated a million of them and them bombed their convoys, hospitals and ambulances. I'm not up on D&D lore on this one; I assume this is some kind of Adrian Zenz nonsense? They authoritarianly built houses for muslims instead of democratically blowing them up
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PostNouveau posted:Not gonna risk a 24er for posting further in D&D but I really want to know what the gently caress they think China did to the Uighurs because I don't think China forcibly evacuated a million of them and them bombed their convoys, hospitals and ambulances. I'm not up on D&D lore on this one; I assume this is some kind of Adrian Zenz nonsense? you know what's actually true? america is actively genociding millions of brown and black people domestically, and abroad edit: Because this is relevant before and now, more than ever. if you want to know how The State (intelligence/defense/whatever) disseminates information, i beg everyone to read this: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.5644.pdf It ties into an Overton Window type thing, but rather it's through in-groups and not wanting to be ostracized from your group, so what you believe becomes truth as you also repeat it to 'fit in', and then don't want to challenge pre-conceived notions you develop through osmosis in your 'in group' quote:When making a decision or forming an opinion, indi-viduals tend to communicate with parents, friends, or Lord of Pie posted:They authoritarianly built houses for muslims instead of democratically blowing them up Xaris has issued a correction as of 08:36 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's old topic by now but it's really amazing how social media has exposed the latest generations of failkids to public exposure that is completely unprecedented to them and they have absolutely no ability to handle, it's the first time they've ever been in an environment not designed to cater to them and/or mould them in a specific image. That's what I think of when the neoliberal establishment starts talking about "controlling the spread of misinformation" or "Russian bots." It is absolutely true that there is abundant misinformation, fascist conspiracy theories, perhaps, even people from countries, like Russia, that aren't the United States with different core assumptions that go against the party line. *gasp* The misinformation they want to suppress is not so much misinformation but information that goes against their paradigm, only some of which truly is misinformation. I find fact checkers to be overly literal and occasionally dispute things that have evidence in favor of them, like that some Ukrainian soldiers wear Nazi stuff.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1713310269391212590?s=20 what would be the western equivalent of this? or the closest thing?
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CODChimera posted:what would be the western equivalent of this? or the closest thing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttscNOoAjA
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Mean Baby posted:Which would be odd, seeing how they have been doing worse to the people they subjugated for a very long time. Lmao you dumb motherfucker. Guess what, America is way loving worse than China and it's not even close.
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Zoeb posted:That's what I think of when the neoliberal establishment starts talking about "controlling the spread of misinformation" or "Russian bots." It is absolutely true that there is abundant misinformation, fascist conspiracy theories, perhaps, even people from countries, like Russia, that aren't the United States with different core assumptions that go against the party line. *gasp* The misinformation they want to suppress is not so much misinformation but information that goes against their paradigm, only some of which truly is misinformation. I find fact checkers to be overly literal and occasionally dispute things that have evidence in favor of them, like that some Ukrainian soldiers wear Nazi stuff. Yeah, the establishment used to be able to disseminate their opinions unchallenged; now you can hop straight onto Twitter and tell them to their faces that their opinions suck and they're an idiot and it always makes them so loving mad lol.
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Popy posted:this should be the theme song of C-SPAM Nah, gently caress that. War is bad. e: honestly, there's just been too many civilian deaths over the past week, and there are going to be far too many more over the next week. I don't have any patience for "ironically" calling for more civilian deaths. gently caress anyone who does have patience for that at this point. e2: not meaning to single you out, Popy, I meant that generally. Majorian has issued a correction as of 08:38 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, the establishment used to be able to disseminate their opinions unchallenged; now you can hop straight onto Twitter and tell them to their faces that their opinions suck and they're an idiot and it always makes them so loving mad lol. used to be able to, not the case anymore 
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mcmagic posted:I mean gently caress this guy but no one should be fired for shitposting imo. Many times as many people are going to be fired for expressing the correct opinion supporting palentinians. just make different account??? welcome to th einternet
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Lord of Pie posted:They authoritarianly built houses for muslims instead of democratically blowing them up
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mcmagic posted:I mean gently caress this guy but no one should be fired for shitposting imo. Many times as many people are going to be fired for expressing the correct opinion supporting palentinians. I mean if he's a professor and is teaching young people and he has those opinions...then he probably shouldn't be teaching young people then.
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Zoeb posted:It's because of this idea called the Overton Window. There is a sliver, could be wide, could be thin, of opinions that are considered normal and acceptable to have and outside of which, opinions are considered controversial, bizarre, unthinkable, and even criminal. just gunna re-cite this, but you should read it. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.5644.pdf this was work done by the DoD describing the methodology used for control and dissemination of 'information' or ideology in a social media age to arrive at an 'overton window'. And... it's only the tip of the iceberg. You can see these effects real-time all the time as ideology converges within social media spheres of influence: covid was a good case history. with the right nudging, any information (real or fake, usually fake) can be dispersed and become The Truth within groups. Basically, never believe anything derived from an "in-group" or "heard it down the grapevine" that can be repeated until it becomes defacto fact and no one will challenge it.
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