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SlimGoodbody: Oct 20, 2003

webcams for christ posted:

edgy fascist aesthetics today are like what, Roman statue pfp, trad life softcore porn, that meme frog and other 4chan meme tropes, and "dark synth" music?

Fash aesthetics are currently edits like this on TikTok and Twitter, plus crypto-racist and blatantly racist meme accounts on Instagram

# ? Nov 30, 2023 07:11

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# ? May 25, 2024 14:31

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy

Xaris posted:

nope. Democracy is a fake system for laundering the will of the Land/Capital-owning (Shareholder) class interests. It's the equivalent of money-washing where if you put your interests through this rube goldberg machine it legitimizes them, but for immiserating the populace. The ruling class will point to the constitution and say "welp folks, looks like our hands are tied here, just gotta get rid of those free school lunches" because it is in their interests to passively accept their own conclusions that they desire.

It's great for that the masses will shrug their shoulders and just go, well, the people voted for it! just the way it's gotta be when corporate taxes get cut or abortion gets banned or whatever. It's a mirage to pretend like it's the will of the people therefore thou shant object

"the people" are moot, they don't write or affect the class interests that democracy is intended to launder

you do realize that the USA is an exception in the sense of having a constitution that is virtually set in stone, right? most democracies do in fact rewrite their constitutions when needed (for better or worse)

# ? Nov 30, 2023 07:32

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

spacetoaster posted:

I had to learn about this sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDwXQdgeRM

Because the kids make it constantly.

How many 8 year olds got suspended for sexual assault when you were a kid? Because the number for my class this year isn't 0.

Also, all the 5th grade teachers walked out. Guess where all those 5th graders are now. They're evenly divided amongst ALL the other classes in the school. So even the kindergarten classes each have 2 or 3 fifth graders just sitting in the back doing nothing.

It's some real doomsday poo poo, I could go on all day.

One time years ago I clicked on a trending tab on Twitter out of curiosity and saw a lovingly rendered, realistic depiction of Dream's, the Minecraft YouTuber, skin flayed off and turned into an armchair. This was before neural nets took off so it was drawn by hand.

The kids aren't alright.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 07:32

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Xaris posted:

nope. Democracy is a fake system for laundering the will of the Land/Capital-owning (Shareholder) class interests. It's the equivalent of money-washing where if you put your interests through this rube goldberg machine it legitimizes them, but for immiserating the populace. The ruling class will point to the constitution and say "welp folks, looks like our hands are tied here, just gotta get rid of those free school lunches" because it is in their interests to passively accept their own conclusions that they desire.

It's great for that the masses will shrug their shoulders and just go, well, the people voted for it! just the way it's gotta be when corporate taxes get cut or abortion gets banned or whatever. It's a mirage to pretend like it's the will of the people therefore thou shant object

"the people" are moot, they don't write or affect the class interests that democracy is intended to launder

I understand that, but liberals don't, so how do they square that circle?

# ? Nov 30, 2023 07:55

LonsomeSon: Nov 22, 2009; A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Frosted Flake posted:

I understand that, but liberals don't, so how do they square that circle?

with our bodies op

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:00

SlimGoodbody: Oct 20, 2003

Frosted Flake posted:

I understand that, but liberals don't, so how do they square that circle?

They gesture vaguely towards concepts of meritocracy and trusting the process, and then get extremely mad if you try to dig any deeper, usually yelling about the importance of the next election and how you want Voldemort to win.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:00

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

spacetoaster posted:

I teach 8 year olds and the internet has completely ruined them.

So has capitalism.

kids are so pwned by roblox its incredible. wjhat would be limited gamer cash thrown into the era equivalent of flash games

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:06

SlimGoodbody: Oct 20, 2003

Homeless Friend posted:

kids are so pwned by roblox its incredible. wjhat would be limited gamer cash thrown into the era equivalent of flash games

The way Roblox is a digital company town for children really blackpilled me for a week when I learned about it. There was a really good dive into it on YouTube but I can't recall who did it. Maybe PeopleMakeGames?

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:13

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

SlimGoodbody posted:

The way Roblox is a digital company town for children really blackpilled me for a week when I learned about it. There was a really good dive into it on YouTube but I can't recall who did it. Maybe PeopleMakeGames?

yeah peoplemakegames. They did an episode, then roblox tried to sue them or something, so they did a second episode and it was even darker. very cspam approved pro-watches if you want to get mad about child-labor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
then after they got threatened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTMF6xEiAaY

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:14

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

I was up working all night so I was in a bit of a mood this morning and ended up watching 2011's Margin Call (again). In some ways I feel like it's a better movie than The Big Short in terms of capturing the feel of the Great Recession and Doomsday Economics in general.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:15

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
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Laugh and cry

Frosted Flake posted:

I understand that, but liberals don't, so how do they square that circle?

i dunno, they're kinda just kinda stupid I guess. Some will complain about low-information voters, or electoral processes, or blame it on those dastardly conservatives or whatever. so it is the will of the people but they are misguided, also i like what we're doing with austerity or something. also maybe something about meritocracy

# ? Nov 30, 2023 08:21

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

So, in a democratic republic, constitutions don't reflect the divine order mediated through the monarch, right? It's supposed to reflect the will of the people?

It's entirely possible I'm not liberal enough to understand that, but how do you point at a constitution in a republic, and a democracy, and say "Well, that's just the way things are"? Isn't the whole point that it reflects the needs of the people, and therefore the moment, rather than reflecting, idk something sacrosanct? I don't mean this as an endorsement of monarchy, I just mean, to a liberal, "sorry folks, just the way it is in the constitution" should not make sense, because... the people write the constitution, right?

Capitalism and liberalism are supposed to be these big demystifying forces but lol adding a clause to the constitution in the 2000's that says "actually public spending is bad", well, it's not exactly Charlemagne, now is it?

But in 2009, and they look like this,

Oh, well if they decreed I can't have any bread, I'm fine with it?

the "Founding Fathers" are considered semi-divine

# ? Nov 30, 2023 09:19

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

also the constitution can't be torn up because the rules have to be followed. if the rules aren't followed then society will break down and we'll descend into anarchy

# ? Nov 30, 2023 09:27

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Shear Modulus posted:

also the constitution can't be torn up because the rules have to be followed. if the rules aren't followed then society will break down and we'll descend into anarchy

"the constitution is not a suicide pact"

# ? Nov 30, 2023 09:29

Elman: Oct 26, 2009

Xaris posted:

nope. Democracy is a fake system for laundering the will of the Land/Capital-owning (Shareholder) class interests. It's the equivalent of money-washing where if you put your interests through this rube goldberg machine it legitimizes them, but for immiserating the populace. The ruling class will point to the constitution and say "welp folks, looks like our hands are tied here, just gotta get rid of those free school lunches" because it is in their interests to passively accept their own conclusions that they desire.

It's great for that the masses will shrug their shoulders and just go, well, the people voted for it! just the way it's gotta be when corporate taxes get cut or abortion gets banned or whatever. It's a mirage to pretend like it's the will of the people therefore thou shant object

"the people" are moot, they don't write or affect the class interests that democracy is intended to launder

Democracy isn't "a fake system", liberal democracy is. It's a fundamentally flawed and unfixable system because capitalism is inherently antidemocratic, you cannot have anything resembling real democracy when most of the power lies in the hands of autocrats who'll subvert any semblance of democracy in order to push their own agenda. All you're left with is a shallow husk that looks vaguely democratic just so it can be used to manufacture consent and rule in the name of the capitalist class.

Your analysis is accurate but saying Democracy is fake because liberal democracy exists is like saying Socialism is fake because social democrats exist.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 09:39

Bastard Tetris: Apr 27, 2005; L-Shaped; Nap Ghost

Elman posted:

Democracy isn't "a fake system", liberal democracy is. It's a fundamentally flawed and unfixable system because capitalism is inherently antidemocratic, you cannot have anything resembling real democracy when most of the power lies in the hands of autocrats who'll subvert any semblance of democracy in order to push their own agenda. All you're left with is a shallow husk that looks vaguely democratic just so it can be used to manufacture consent and rule in the name of the capitalist class.

Your analysis is accurate but saying Democracy is fake because liberal democracy exists is like saying Socialism is fake because social democrats exist.

bringo

# ? Nov 30, 2023 10:23

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
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Laugh and cry

Elman posted:

Democracy isn't "a fake system", liberal democracy is.

well yeah I meant liberal democracy, was just being lazy and assumed in the context.

but yes

Xaris has issued a correction as of 10:27 on Nov 30, 2023

# ? Nov 30, 2023 10:24

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

you do realize that the USA is an exception in the sense of having a constitution that is virtually set in stone, right? most democracies do in fact rewrite their constitutions when needed (for better or worse)

this isn�t true

but whatever

# ? Nov 30, 2023 10:58

Skaffen-Amtiskaw: Jun 24, 2023

Kissinger dead and America juicing GDP by slave labour kids, but also still going to have a ~~megadepression~~ soft landing recession.

Did I miss anything?

# ? Nov 30, 2023 11:01

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

euphronius posted:

this isn�t true

but whatever

just ignore him

# ? Nov 30, 2023 11:03

Bastard Tetris: Apr 27, 2005; L-Shaped; Nap Ghost

euphronius posted:

this isn�t true

but whatever

to the first or the second part? an amendment in the US is pretty much impossible at this point unless there�s a constitutional convention which would likely pop off civil war 2 or some crazy rear end balkanization

Raskolnikov38 posted:

just ignore him

oh god that was a TWT thing, nevermind

# ? Nov 30, 2023 11:05

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

the federal constitution has been amended many times. there is also a relatively powerful Supreme Court which has given itself the power to create new constitutional law all of the time . there is also tons of constitutional law that is not in the document called the constitution

more importantly on top of that the USA has a federal system with split power with the states and the states change their constitutions every 3 days in addition to having strong courts like the federal level

# ? Nov 30, 2023 11:12

maxwellhill: Jan 5, 2022

Bastard Tetris posted:

oh god that was a TWT thing, nevermind

# ? Nov 30, 2023 11:34

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Xaris posted:

yeah peoplemakegames. They did an episode, then roblox tried to sue them or something, so they did a second episode and it was even darker. very cspam approved pro-watches if you want to get mad about child-labor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
then after they got threatened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTMF6xEiAaY

The people I know with the oldest kids- one of my cousins- their oldest just recently became in the age range for Roblox. He's been playing it for a year or so.

We hung out with them over the summer and it was insane. The kid simply wouldn't behave, period, unless he was promised robux (the digital currency in Roblox).

Kid won't settle down? Robux. Kid won't eat? Robux. Kid won't go somewhere? Robux.

I totally understand that my cousin is ultimately a poo poo parent (probably, I wouldn't know, seems lovely though to be so thoroughly owned by your own kid but whatever) but it's not ok that we're creating this mini capitalism inside a video game.

The main reason it's so insidious is this:

Roblox is capitalism, but since kids can't make money, and can't effectively make money on Roblox either for a bunch of reasons, they are basically forced to rely on their parents for inflows of cash into the system.

This creates a direct pathway between having fun, and having your parents give you robux. It's even worse because the kids having the most fun (in the eyes of the children) are the kids who have the robux to splash on cosmetics and playing the premium games.

This creates a feedback loop in which more reasonable parents are just seen as miserly and mean. Essentially, if you are not giving your kid enough robux vs. your kids friends, the game is actively undermining your relationship with your own child. Beth always has robux, my parents don't like me as much. Kids have zero appreciation of money, so to them, you're just... not giving them paper. It's ridiculously insidious.

You can't even effectively stop your kids from playing Roblox because the social pressure is insane, and at the end of the day, you're just not letting your kid play with their friends, straight up, especially during covid and even now, post covid, we don't see each other in person as much as we used to.

Man. I am so glad we don't have kids. After about the 20th demand of robux from her child, my cousin looked at me and said "never have kids" lol

I think it's actually pretty hilarious that people tend to think that having a baby is the "most hard" like that's the part you have to get through before it gets better, when in the modern day it's clearly a lot closer to when they become acclimated to these online faux-capitalism machines (so, 7ish onwards?) that poo poo makes taking care of a baby seem downright preferable.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 13:23

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

spacetoaster posted:

I had to learn about this sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDwXQdgeRM

Because the kids make it constantly.

How many 8 year olds got suspended for sexual assault when you were a kid? Because the number for my class this year isn't 0.

Also, all the 5th grade teachers walked out. Guess where all those 5th graders are now. They're evenly divided amongst ALL the other classes in the school. So even the kindergarten classes each have 2 or 3 fifth graders just sitting in the back doing nothing.

It's some real doomsday poo poo, I could go on all day.

Sexual assault? :stonk:

What are we talking about exactly? The annoying uwu sounds? For instance, I used to work in a tutoring center where I had to work with this seriously maladjusted kid who would make dick shapes out of play dough and poke female tutors in the leg while laughing that he's 'raping them' :gonk:

and that's how I got stuck dealing with this kid because he only pulled that stunt on the 19yo ladies and not the grouchy 26yo dudes at that place.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 13:23

cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Roblox is also chock-full of pedophiles. No, Meta does not care.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 13:36

TehSaurus: Jun 12, 2006

Panfilo posted:

Sexual assault?

What are we talking about exactly?

I�m pretty sure you don�t want a detailed answer to that question

# ? Nov 30, 2023 13:36

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

TehSaurus posted:

I�m pretty sure you don�t want a detailed answer to that question

The reason I ask is that our definition of sexual assault has broadened greatly since most goons were in elementary school. For instance, unfortunately nobody was getting suspended in the 80s for snapping a girl's bra strap as she walked past or making humping gestures at a student who bent over to pick up a pencil though we'd agree today these are inappropriate behaviors. A kid who got shoved might make an uwu sound to try to embarrass their assailant and turn the tables on them. These could be considered forms of sexual assault even though they're not necessarily more blatant things boomers assume to be sexual assault.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:00

Skaffen-Amtiskaw: Jun 24, 2023

Drawing a toddler�s interpretation of a gun in Crayola and getting ground slammed by the ATF.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:02

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Roblox is going to die. Fortnite and Minecraft have both released modes that compete with Roblox and both of those games are better than roblox.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:13

BUUNNI: Jun 23, 2023; by Pragmatica

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

you do realize that the USA is an exception in the sense of having a constitution that is virtually set in stone, right? most democracies do in fact rewrite their constitutions when needed (for better or worse)

No. Futility arguments are not valid. You should not ever use them; they are a thought-terminating brainworm, a reactionary talking point dressed up as insight.

You�re not a reactionary are you ?

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:24

Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

BUUNNI posted:

You’re not a reactionary are you ?

Aah I see you are new to TWT posting

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:38

sonatinas: Apr 15, 2003; Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

spacetoaster posted:

Same in our district.

You would think that would be some front page local news, but no. The school leadership has some kind of relationship with the local station leadership and nothing negative about the schools ever goes on the news.

where I used to live , Grand Rapids, the local school system�s Executive Director of Communications and External Affairs used to be a local NBC station anchor as of like 4 years ago.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:40

sonatinas: Apr 15, 2003; Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Taima posted:

The people I know with the oldest kids- one of my cousins- their oldest just recently became in the age range for Roblox. He's been playing it for a year or so.

We hung out with them over the summer and it was insane. The kid simply wouldn't behave, period, unless he was promised robux (the digital currency in Roblox).

Kid won't settle down? Robux. Kid won't eat? Robux. Kid won't go somewhere? Robux.

I totally understand that my cousin is ultimately a poo poo parent (probably, I wouldn't know, seems lovely though to be so thoroughly owned by your own kid but whatever) but it's not ok that we're creating this mini capitalism inside a video game.

The main reason it's so insidious is this:

Roblox is capitalism, but since kids can't make money, and can't effectively make money on Roblox either for a bunch of reasons, they are basically forced to rely on their parents for inflows of cash into the system.

This creates a direct pathway between having fun, and having your parents give you robux. It's even worse because the kids having the most fun (in the eyes of the children) are the kids who have the robux to splash on cosmetics and playing the premium games.

This creates a feedback loop in which more reasonable parents are just seen as miserly and mean. Essentially, if you are not giving your kid enough robux vs. your kids friends, the game is actively undermining your relationship with your own child. Beth always has robux, my parents don't like me as much. Kids have zero appreciation of money, so to them, you're just... not giving them paper. It's ridiculously insidious.

You can't even effectively stop your kids from playing Roblox because the social pressure is insane, and at the end of the day, you're just not letting your kid play with their friends, straight up, especially during covid and even now, post covid, we don't see each other in person as much as we used to.

Man. I am so glad we don't have kids. After about the 20th demand of robux from her child, my cousin looked at me and said "never have kids" lol

I think it's actually pretty hilarious that people tend to think that having a baby is the "most hard" like that's the part you have to get through before it gets better, when in the modern day it's clearly a lot closer to when they become acclimated to these online faux-capitalism machines (so, 7ish onwards?) that poo poo makes taking care of a baby seem downright preferable.

my 7 yr old is never going to play Roblox. my 9 yr old nephew�s parents every gift giving holiday just ask me to send robux and I always refuse.

the only time lately I�ve caved into monetary bs is paying to be a monthly member of prodigy math that my kid�s school uses. she loves doing math problems in a jrpg like environment. membership gets you better stuff and levels faster but it�s a monthly fee that I can turn off at anytime.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 14:47

Mad Wack: Mar 27, 2008; "The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

just block roblox at the router level and let your child earn their way to it the old fashioned way, learning enough about technology with their infinite time to outsmart their parents

# ? Nov 30, 2023 15:00

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

sonatinas posted:

my 7 yr old is never going to play Roblox. my 9 yr old nephew�s parents every gift giving holiday just ask me to send robux and I always refuse.

the only time lately I�ve caved into monetary bs is paying to be a monthly member of prodigy math that my kid�s school uses. she loves doing math problems in a jrpg like environment. membership gets you better stuff and levels faster but it�s a monthly fee that I can turn off at anytime.

That's fair. There's no problem imo with monetization itself, there is plenty of good premium online content out there. It's the "capitalism in a box" model that makes Roblox particularly insidious, but at least right now there aren't that many companies with the resources to match the kind of investment commitment it takes to create a platform like Roblox.

What really sucks imo is that like many things in capitalism, Roblox could be a force for major good. Enabling creativity is a beautiful thing, and it's also awesome that kids, in theory, can create art for each other's consumption and all that. It's just twisted for the most nefarious ends possible. Maybe someday we can design a Roblox-esque platform that enables the creation of art and self expression without the downsides. Completely removing the ability to cash out robux would solve a hefty chunk of the problem.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 15:08

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

Remember when the russia-ukraine war started and gas was a big problem, but Europe weathered that storm with America's help? Well it is becoming a problem again and Germany industry is starting to close.

It was worth it for our freedom. And real democracies around the world.

# ? Nov 30, 2023 15:08