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Black Sunshine posted:If you don't believe that a player should be in the Hall of Fame despite being literally the best ever at his position then you suck What if the player never plays a snap because he's actually a janitor? What then?
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Mega64 posted:We should make a Hall of Very Goon. We’re already listing Ravens fullbacks in the AFCN thread
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Black Sunshine posted:If you don't believe that a player should be in the Hall of Fame despite being literally the best ever at his position then you suck Long snapper was brought up earlier, I don't care how good you might be as a long snapper I don't think you should be in the hall. Do you think the best gunner ever should be in? That's basically the special teams opposite of best punt returner.
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Kawalimus a fake fan. Ovie Mughelli way too low on his list.
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tarbrush posted:Hester is contentious (I think there is room for precisely one of each K, P, returner and STer, provided they're obviously the best ever to do it). so if there's a new best ever kicker/punter/returner, the one currently in the hall gets thrown out and replaced with the new best ever?
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Counterpoint: Marshall Yanda will go in first ballot. this
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pasaluki posted:Peak Great Value brand off-season posting and sperging while the gd Detroit Lions won the NFC North and the Browns are sinking teams with Joe Flacco. Yes, more people should be talking about how the Detroit Lions are cool and good.
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I hope we get an updated GLC song for the Super Bowl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOHsSHAWpFw
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My mom called to see if I was okay. I'm 600 feet above sea level at my current location. If a 600 foot wave hits Los Angeles you will hear about it, mom.
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I'm obviously biased as I'm a Bears fan but I think its perfectly reasonable to put players in the Hall of Fame even if they maybe didn't provide as much raw total value as a regular position player. Other halls of fame do this too with other specialized positions - if you judged a reliever by the same criteria as any starting pitcher, no HOF reliever would stack up an average HOF starting pitcher in raw value because they play significantly fewer innings. So obviously some positional adjustment is appropriate, and I think its entirely appropriate to have "representatives" from each position (excepting...perhaps long snapper) that is the best at that position. Hester is clearly the best all-around returner in NFL history.
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Proposal: there can be one slot for each position player, but it isn't forever. You're the best long snapper until you aren't then your statute gets tossed in the trash to make room for the new guy.
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Mike N Eich posted:I'm obviously biased as I'm a Bears fan but I think its perfectly reasonable to put players in the Hall of Fame even if they maybe didn't provide as much raw total value as a regular position player. Other halls of fame do this too with other specialized positions - if you judged a reliever by the same criteria as any starting pitcher, no HOF reliever would stack up an average HOF starting pitcher in raw value because they play significantly fewer innings. So obviously some positional adjustment is appropriate, and I think its entirely appropriate to have "representatives" from each position (excepting...perhaps long snapper) that is the best at that position. Hester is clearly the best all-around returner in NFL history. Agreed
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kiimo posted:My mom called to see if I was okay. That sounds like some supervillain level poo poo.
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Yeah I come from it from the relief pitcher thinking. Is Mariano Riveria a HOF pitcher? How about designated hitter David Ortiz?
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Papercut posted:Long snapper was brought up earlier, I don't care how good you might be as a long snapper I don't think you should be in the hall. I personally wouldn't care if a long snapper got in, provided that they're considered the best to ever do that job. For the sake of argument, I can see a pushback against a long snapper or gunner because teams don't literally poo poo themselves at the prospect of having said long snapper or gunner on the field. Teams absolutely and universally poo poo themselves at the mere thought of Hester returning a kick and routinely gave up valuable field position to prevent that from happening so I'd say his case is much stronger for HOF consideration than those other positions.
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C-Euro posted:Yes, more people should be talking about how the Detroit Lions are cool and good. I heard Dan Campbell on moving the chains talking about how they don't want to become complacent at just making it to the playoffs. Goff has been to the SB once, but I imagine they don't have a lot of players with playoff experience. But they are starting to get some players back. Gardner-Johnson won't play against Dallas but might be able to play in the playoffs.
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I still can't get over nearly being in the year 2024 and having a Browns/Lions Super Bowl being an actually decent possibility. Are we back in the 1950's?
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I'm okay with the Browns going to the Superbowl, and getting crushed by the Lions, ONLY because it'll create a massive shitstorm at QB next year when Watson continues to suck and Flacco is probably just chilling at home playing that Demolition Man pinball machine in his basement not giving a gently caress about anything.
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kiimo posted:My mom called to see if I was okay. I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread sorry it was in regards to this kiimo posted:Cross posting from the LA thread surf's up
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Toaster Beef posted:why would you just stand there and watch when the water has receded that far Believe it or not, but a lot of people don’t k ow how the ocean works. Especially tourists from the middle of the country.
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Mega64 posted:I still can't get over nearly being in the year 2024 and having a Browns/Lions Super Bowl being an actually decent possibility. a Browns - Lions Super Bowl would own because: It would be two of the most storied franchises meeting (and I believe neither of them have been to a Super Bowl?) and a Cleveland-Detroit playing is peak Midwest supremacy. God bless. Do not forget our beloved Rust Belt!!
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I bet every one of them had horror scenes from various tsunamis running through their minds
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Hall of Very Good tier wave, big deal
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Gunner, Jammer and other ST roles are not typically fixed positions except in extremely rare circumstances, so I don't think it really applies
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The cause of that wave? Joe Flacco.
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Doltos posted:Moore returned a few kicks earlier in his career but I doubt the Bears want to risk injuring their main trade piece from the last offseason. I don't exactly think their season was on the line since they need a lot of certain things to happen to make the playoffs even if they won that game. (Kickers hate him) quote:What does your third question even mean?[\quote] Also that's only 15 and not 20 because Hester was so good at what he did that they changed the rules for everyone. If a guy changes the game forever because he's too good at his position he deserves to be in the hall, simple as. Every stadium in all of football had to be repainted because of him.
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Black Sunshine posted:If you don't believe that a player should be in the Hall of Fame despite being literally the best ever at his position then you suck
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The337th posted:Hall of Very Good tier wave, big deal That wave being inducted into the hof will hurt deion tsunamis feelings.
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pasaluki posted:Peak Great Value brand off-season posting and sperging while the gd Detroit Lions won the NFC North and the Browns are sinking teams with Joe Flacco.
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Devin Hester to Deion Sanders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbYxEXM2cE
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Also, has there ever been a case where you can say a Super Bowl contestant wouldn't have been there if not for their kick returner? And not just because of one clutch performance in a close game, but because of routine dominance? Hall of famer, no question.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:The Ravens and Dolphins would have to play starters. Ravens to win the division and to potentially land the 1 seed. Dolphins to secure the 1 seed. The Bills, would have no reason to play their starters. Even with a win they would be a game behind the Dolphins and the Browns. They couldn't even move from 6 seed to 5 seed. That makes the likelihood of a Bills win week 18 real low. Which makes Miami/Baltimore basically the only important variable for who gets number 1. Buffalo can miss the playoffs at 10-7, they'll be playing starters at Miami unless every Wild Card rival loses this week.
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Punt and kick returners are pulled from a population of players deemed bad enough at other roles that it is acceptable for them to get hurt returning kicks, as seen when Hester played WR. They are not the best at it relative to all other players, just the ones who would/could be best at it are often already playing another position seen as more valuable.
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Isn’t Hester the only player in NFL history have a rushing, receiving, and return TD in one game?
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Pain of Mind posted:Punt and kick returners are pulled from a population of players deemed bad enough at other roles that it is acceptable for them to get hurt returning kicks, as seen when Hester played WR. They are not the best at it relative to all other players, just the ones who would/could be best at it are often already playing another position seen as more valuable. Every non-QB is just someone not good enough to play the most important position therefore they all suck and the Hall of Fame should be QB only. No grandfather clause bullshit, take Jerry Rice's bust and melt that fucker down because he wasn't good enough to be a quarterback.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1740793903392182621?t=yxAxUsKvIncdyB9VPW-VzA&s=19
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