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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Magni posted:

Funny thing: If you immediately give in to Kunrad you won't get that minor daemon put into you. And if you choose the dogmatic option at the burning bridge, Big E will fry the little poo poo.

the big demon will still talk to you, but it's very much outside your head (and just reaching in).

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Magni posted:

Funny thing: If you immediately give in to Kunrad you won't get that minor daemon put into you. And if you choose the dogmatic option at the burning bridge, Big E will fry the little poo poo.

Oh I was wondering what happened to that! It seemed like it was going to be a big deal and then all of a sudden it was gone.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

FuzzySlippers posted:

Act 3 has the same problem as Act 4 in Wrath: it’s too drat long. It could be a change of pace to shake up the game’s usual formula, but it just goes on too long and is too linear. It isn’t as much as a pace killer as Wrath because the story isn’t really building towards anything when it happens, but it still isn’t good and will be similarly tedious in replays

Reading this as I paused playing Rogue Trader until the end half is playable, just now getting to Act 4 in Wrath.

I actually liked that this game's classes were more like XCOM, starting out Wrath with no real knowledge of DND was stressful as gently caress. Eight billion choices and stats all thrown, concepts like multiclassing. I play a lot of tabletop games so learning a new system is fine to me, but I couldn't really ever recommend this game to a normie or my father in the same way I've told them to play Divinity Original Sin 2.

This game also had a lot of numbers thrown at you but at this point I just look up a build online and depart as I wish.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jan 15, 2024

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

Randallteal posted:

Yeah no poo poo, but what kind of moron raises the difficulty and then whines that the game expects them to play it perfectly? There's a slider just for lowering enemy stats independently of the other difficulty settings. It's a single player game, no one is going to witness your shame at configuring it to your comfort level.

Eh... I don't think it's unreasonable to want the game to be somewhat balanced when playing by "actual Pathfinder rules", even if the default is lower. BG1 and BG2 start the player on Normal and not D&D Core Rules, and were quite playable on the latter without going nuts on min-maxing. I think it's just a concession to the fact that a lot of players will not be familiar with the rule system going in (and permadeath/any death before Raise Dead is pretty much an automatic reload, but a lot of people don't like save scumming).

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Janissary Hop posted:

I simply do not believe you can beat an Owlcat Pathfinder game on Core or higher without buffs.

It's literally impossible. How would you fight the 36AC+ demons in Blackwater without buffs? You can do about 70% of the game without them I'd say (I know, I did) but that's it

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
You really dont need buffs above core if you have even half an understanding of builds

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Buschmaki posted:

You really dont need buffs above core if you have even half an understanding of builds

yeah this just makes zero sense

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021

Buschmaki posted:

You really dont need buffs above core if you have even half an understanding of builds

no

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Wow the HP inflation gets insane at the end of Act 4. EACH plasma battery has more than 300 HP? A terrain feature?

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired

Buschmaki posted:

You really dont need buffs above core if you have even half an understanding of builds

lmao what

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Arglebargle III posted:

Wow the HP inflation gets insane at the end of Act 4. EACH plasma battery has more than 300 HP? A terrain feature?

An archmilitant can easily do over 1000 damage in a single attack.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

I'm kinda surprised they implemented romances in this game. I can't remember ever encountering any kind of even chaste romantic relationship in a 40k book. I know the books are targeted at dudes and it's all grim grim no love in a universe with only war, but it's always felt a bit amusingly absent and not accidental. I think in all the books I've read occasionally someone mentions an absent wife like Abelard's distant wife and since people have kids I assume they were around each other at some point. Though for all I know all races in 40k reproduce like Orcs.

I wonder if Games Workshop had any pushback against Owlcat over it.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

FuzzySlippers posted:

I'm kinda surprised they implemented romances in this game. I can't remember ever encountering any kind of even chaste romantic relationship in a 40k book. I know the books are targeted at dudes and it's all grim grim no love in a universe with only war, but it's always felt a bit amusingly absent and not accidental. I think in all the books I've read occasionally someone mentions an absent wife like Abelard's distant wife and since people have kids I assume they were around each other at some point. Though for all I know all races in 40k reproduce like Orcs.

I wonder if Games Workshop had any pushback against Owlcat over it.

One of the developers heavily implied that GW stopped them from doing Argenta romance.

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry

FuzzySlippers posted:

I'm kinda surprised they implemented romances in this game. I can't remember ever encountering any kind of even chaste romantic relationship in a 40k book. I know the books are targeted at dudes and it's all grim grim no love in a universe with only war, but it's always felt a bit amusingly absent and not accidental. I think in all the books I've read occasionally someone mentions an absent wife like Abelard's distant wife and since people have kids I assume they were around each other at some point. Though for all I know all races in 40k reproduce like Orcs.

I wonder if Games Workshop had any pushback against Owlcat over it.

Off the top of my head, there's romance plotlines in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Helsreach, Chris Wraight's Bloodlines, and in Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor and Gaunt's Ghost series, and at least in his Double Eagle book- and I'm sure there's more, so it is definitely not absent in 40k literature

I imagine the presence of anything related to romantic love is heavily dependent on the setting and faction represented- you're probably not gonna find it in a space marine book, unless a POV character is human (like in Helsreach, shoutout to my man Trooper Andrej)

Quicksilver6
Mar 21, 2008



“Romance does not sell figurines, rulebooks, lore novels, and tie-in games” - Someone at GW

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Quicksilver6 posted:

“Romance does not sell figurines, rulebooks, lore novels, and tie-in games” - Someone at GW

Now with that attitude.
Where's the Emperor theme dildo?

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



GW believed owlcat was unable to capture the intense homoeroticism necessary to tell a space marine romance.

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

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babypolis posted:

yeah this just makes zero sense

You need to allocate your stats and feats better.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Bohemian Nights posted:

Off the top of my head, there's romance plotlines in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Helsreach, Chris Wraight's Bloodlines, and in Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor and Gaunt's Ghost series, and at least in his Double Eagle book- and I'm sure there's more, so it is definitely not absent in 40k literature

I imagine the presence of anything related to romantic love is heavily dependent on the setting and faction represented- you're probably not gonna find it in a space marine book, unless a POV character is human (like in Helsreach, shoutout to my man Trooper Andrej)

If you read the Ciaphas Cain books and pay close attention to the in-universe timeline (and not the IRL publishing dates), it seems that Cain stops his womanizing right after he meets Amberly. Not 'after their relationship gets serious', after he meets her for the first time :allears:

Zirak
Oct 17, 2018

CommissarMega posted:

If you read the Ciaphas Cain books and pay close attention to the in-universe timeline (and not the IRL publishing dates), it seems that Cain stops his womanizing right after he meets Amberly. Not 'after their relationship gets serious', after he meets her for the first time :allears:

The Ciaphas Cain books is also one of the places where they confirmed Sisters aren't actually chaste - in the second Omnibus there's a story set in his later life where he's at a Schola teaching young commissars and there's a bit where he finds out the teacher for the student Sisters of Battle is hooking up with one of the other teachers.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
The truest canon romance in 40k is Ghazkgull/Yarrick.

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

Zirak posted:

The Ciaphas Cain books is also one of the places where they confirmed Sisters aren't actually chaste - in the second Omnibus there's a story set in his later life where he's at a Schola teaching young commissars and there's a bit where he finds out the teacher for the student Sisters of Battle is hooking up with one of the other teachers.

You'd think they would be chaste, considering the origin of the organization that became the Sororitas (battle nuns tricked by the pope into becoming his bodyguards, assassins, and private harem).

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


Schubalts posted:

You'd think they would be chaste, considering the origin of the organization that became the Sororitas (battle nuns tricked by the pope into becoming his bodyguards, assassins, and private harem).

Also that another name of theirs is "brides of the Emperor" at this point.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Lord_Magmar posted:

Also that another name of theirs is "brides of the Emperor" at this point.

Yeah, Siaynoq and all of that.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

Bohemian Nights posted:

Off the top of my head, there's romance plotlines in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Helsreach, Chris Wraight's Bloodlines, and in Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor and Gaunt's Ghost series, and at least in his Double Eagle book- and I'm sure there's more, so it is definitely not absent in 40k literature

I imagine the presence of anything related to romantic love is heavily dependent on the setting and faction represented- you're probably not gonna find it in a space marine book, unless a POV character is human (like in Helsreach, shoutout to my man Trooper Andrej)

That's funny I read most of those many years ago, but I don't recall any romance. Is it really developed much? Of the recent 40k books I've read the closest is in the Rogue Trader trilogy where Brielle (the RT's daughter) mentions she's sleeping with another character but it's not really in the plot.

As an aside to anyone inspired by the game to read them, the RT books aren't that great. The first one has some actual rogue trading, some decent space battles, and a solid plot. The other two books are about being in a crusade and are not very rogue trader-y. The third book is just a big battle on a tao planet and is mostly from a space marine's perspective. No rogue trading at all!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

The Lone Badger posted:

An archmilitant can easily do over 1000 damage in a single attack.

???

Dox023
Feb 23, 2009

They aren’t wrong, there are a bunch of videos on YouTube of Argenta firing a single burst and killing bosses with 3000 hp.

Like this one

Dox023 fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jan 16, 2024

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

You have talents that increase critical damage each time you attack(soldier), critical damage increase per stack (which you can also double for free at some point), talents where during extra turns by officer they deal more damage based on fellowship bonus plus exemplar talents that boost it even more, more exemplar talents that boost damage even further for different targets you hit and enemies you kill or even getting a boost from your dodge.
Plus stupid endgame items like gauntlets that double critical damage or guns like They Shall Weep.

Janissary Hop
Sep 2, 2012

FuzzySlippers posted:

I'm kinda surprised they implemented romances in this game. I can't remember ever encountering any kind of even chaste romantic relationship in a 40k book. I know the books are targeted at dudes and it's all grim grim no love in a universe with only war, but it's always felt a bit amusingly absent and not accidental. I think in all the books I've read occasionally someone mentions an absent wife like Abelard's distant wife and since people have kids I assume they were around each other at some point. Though for all I know all races in 40k reproduce like Orcs.

I wonder if Games Workshop had any pushback against Owlcat over it.

I don’t know how much stock you can put in the Cain books but those books plainly mention Guards troopers getting into trouble for having sexual relations (since they’re in an integrated mixed gender regiment) and Cain is at least implied to have a romantic relationship with a female inquisitor.

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
Cain finds at least one lady to gently caress like every 2nd or maybe 3rd book and his aide Jurgan is frequently noted to be a porn addict. Like it's not on page or even a noteworthy element of the plot but in Caiaphas Cain at least it's casually noted that people gently caress.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
the entire setting seems like it is constantly discouraging anyone from ever having sex. but well, the functionally endless human population has to come from somewhere.

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
Gotta steal those genes somehow

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Jeanstealers

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Buschmaki posted:

You need to allocate your stats and feats better.

Buddy, you are absolutely full of poo poo if you claim that one can beat WotR on difficulties above Core without using any buffs. Did you by any chance mean below Core?

Warden fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 16, 2024

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
Picked this up recently, just touched down on Janus, going Iconoclast, having a fun time.

Just by deciding that "A charismatic Noble/Officer seems neat" and "I will build Argenta to fight like the Sororitas do on tabletop", combat has already mostly cracked wide open in a hail of extra turns and bonus actions (also Cassia just being generally Absurdly Powerful). I could self-limit on that, but I'm also not seeing a clear alternative that isn't that. I wish there were more archetypes or character-specific archetypes, because as it is Arch-Militant is kind of The fighty class.

I've also seen that apparently the game starts to get pretty unpolished/buggy later on (including character flags getting messed up a bunch?). Is there a point where I should hold off going further and wait for a patch/some other fix, or is it better to just push on through?

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021

The Lord of Hats posted:

Is there a point where I should hold off going further and wait for a patch/some other fix, or is it better to just push on through?
Apparently end of chapter 3 is good moment to put the game on hold and wait for major patch.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



The Lord of Hats posted:

Picked this up recently, just touched down on Janus, going Iconoclast, having a fun time.

Just by deciding that "A charismatic Noble/Officer seems neat" and "I will build Argenta to fight like the Sororitas do on tabletop", combat has already mostly cracked wide open in a hail of extra turns and bonus actions (also Cassia just being generally Absurdly Powerful). I could self-limit on that, but I'm also not seeing a clear alternative that isn't that. I wish there were more archetypes or character-specific archetypes, because as it is Arch-Militant is kind of The fighty class.

I've also seen that apparently the game starts to get pretty unpolished/buggy later on (including character flags getting messed up a bunch?). Is there a point where I should hold off going further and wait for a patch/some other fix, or is it better to just push on through?
I'm wondering if Cassia has like, precedent with Navigator tabletop units or something. I can see how her ability to dominate the tactical engagements wouldn't necessarily scale up but hoo boy

Griddle of Love
May 14, 2020


Nessus posted:

I'm wondering if Cassia has like, precedent with Navigator tabletop units or something. I can see how her ability to dominate the tactical engagements wouldn't necessarily scale up but hoo boy

Are you familiar with the Fantasy Flight Games TTRPG version of Rogue Trader? Navigators there can get pretty wild, too.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Nessus posted:

I'm wondering if Cassia has like, precedent with Navigator tabletop units or something. I can see how her ability to dominate the tactical engagements wouldn't necessarily scale up but hoo boy

Nope! As far as I know, the first time there were rules for Navigators in anything was the Rogue Trader TTRPG, where they needed to be differentiated from the more standard psyker class, so that's where all of the extra void gaze stuff came from.

I wish other characters got that level of unique abilities/talents that Cassia does. Let me load Pasqal up with All The Augs. No, even more than that. More.

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

The Lord of Hats posted:

Nope! As far as I know, the first time there were rules for Navigators in anything was the Rogue Trader TTRPG, where they needed to be differentiated from the more standard psyker class, so that's where all of the extra void gaze stuff came from.

I wish other characters got that level of unique abilities/talents that Cassia does. Let me load Pasqal up with All The Augs. No, even more than that. More.

the biggest change between the TTRPG Navigators and Cassia is that they have toned her ability to annihilate everything with her basic Lidless Eye down a little, and made any abilities that were not Lidless Eye theoretically useful.

Lidless Eye was nonsensically powerful

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