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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

That isn't why goons are stupid. They are stupid because a bunch of goons went gaga over the thought of using it for less work. They couldn't connect the dots.

Oh. Then yeah THAT's stupid. Obviously any tech only available to the rich will be used to gently caress everyone else

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


OH MY BAD posted:

you're talking big time doom-chaos for a guy who let a british person trick them into buying a double butted steel frame, tires that MSRP at 90 bucks and a generator hub for 4 thousand dollars- i think i'll still be able to grow my lil veggies in my side yard

Make sure you take a sample of that soil to a lab before eating anything you grow in it

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

Computer touchers thought they were so special that they scoffed at the thought of unionization. Oops

In Training
Jun 28, 2008


Ty kashkari.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Computer touchers thought they were so special that they scoffed at the thought of unionization. Oops

facts

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

loquacius posted:

the whole thing about how the only acceptable way to improve material conditions for the poor is having them "learn 2 code" is also in service of this goal btw, gotta break the tech labor market if you want to pay the workers less

"Learn 2 Code" is some 2010s poo poo. Now we're scolding laid off tech workers for not going to trade school.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Computer touchers get laid off a lot and they move on to a new $140,000 a year job soon after.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Retromancer posted:

"Learn 2 Code" is some 2010s poo poo. Now we're scolding laid off tech workers for not going to trade school.

you must both learn 2 weld and learn 2 code the welding robot that will replace you

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Nonsense posted:

Computer touchers get laid off a lot and they move on to a new $140,000 a year job soon after.

maybe a few years ago

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

When I was in college everyone was being pushed into nursing and education with the promise of high paying jobs with good benefits and job security. There were waiting lists to get into those schools. They took the brunt of 2020. I'd love to see what percentage of those people are still in those fields.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


You can't really be a generalist computer toucher anymore, you need some sort of business subject matter expertise. The $350K out of college tech jobs were always sinecure jobs for the children of the privileged and we have 24 year old jokes at this point about people leaving pets.com and only being able to find a job swapping laptops.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

i heard a speech pathologist say she wanted to be a teacher but they make poo poo and she likes being high income instead.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

You can't really be a generalist computer toucher anymore, you need some sort of business subject matter expertise. The $350K out of college tech jobs were always sinecure jobs for the children of the privileged and we have 24 year old jokes at this point about people leaving pets.com and only being able to find a job swapping laptops.

You can absolutely be a generalist software developer, if you work for a software company that sells software as a product. There's still plenty of those out there.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Interviewing with places who are hiring but can't give straight answers about runway is a lot of fun and is becoming more common.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Nonsense posted:

i heard a speech pathologist say she wanted to be a teacher but they make poo poo and she likes being high income instead.

Yeah duh.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Nonsense posted:

i heard a (Professional) say she wanted to be a (Profession/Vocation with less compensation) but they make poo poo and they like being high income instead.

This describes a lot of people I know, especially since university turned into a sort of job training program.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

teachers should just be AI, kids aren’t smart until they’re 30 anyways

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Twerk from Home posted:

You can absolutely be a generalist software developer, if you work for a software company that sells software as a product. There's still plenty of those out there.

The big thing is SaaS now, one of my previous jobs was a Blue that took their internal billing platform and leased it to other payors. They wanted devs with insurance experience on top of the dev background (and paid poo poo to boot).

At my current job all the software generalist stuff is offshored.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I wish I made less money and my job was harder <- cool trick to say out loud in front of people to be humble

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

In Training posted:

I wish I made less money and my job was harder <- cool trick to say out loud in front of people to be humble

Manual labor is more satisfying work

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

Have none of these people heard of the gig economy? Unemployment is p much always gonna look low from here on out as long because we've created an endless supply of lovely jobs you can't afford to live off of.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Cable is back
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1755248745279525298?t=Pa_OawzcEFQ-QvgXHAw1KA&s=19

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Had a manager tell me "anyone with 4-10 years experience can do competent electrical design and code review. Once you're at 10+ years of experience you go to management or you suck it up and coast because you're doing the work someone else could be doing and there's no scalability to that. If you're not bringing in business or jumping to management to manage those workers your salary gets capped by the fact that less experienced people can do your work"

If that's true why can't we find a single decent electrical engineer to hire

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

iirc theyre mostly laying off HR and sales people and everyone else who cant code unless the whole company is guys who can code in which case they do get laid off

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Mr Hootington posted:

Manual labor is more satisfying work

It's true. I liked the actual minute to minute working food production more but I got paid poo poo and had no bennies.

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

mistermojo posted:

iirc theyre mostly laying off HR and sales people

god bless

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Not a Children posted:

Had a manager tell me "anyone with 4-10 years experience can do competent electrical design and code review. Once you're at 10+ years of experience you go to management or you suck it up and coast because you're doing the work someone else could be doing and there's no scalability to that. If you're not bringing in business or jumping to management to manage those workers your salary gets capped by the fact that less experienced people can do your work"

If that's true why can't we find a single decent electrical engineer to hire

"being able to do work" and "being able to get hired to do that" are two entirely different things now

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.

Not a Children posted:

Had a manager tell me "anyone with 4-10 years experience can do competent electrical design and code review. Once you're at 10+ years of experience you go to management or you suck it up and coast because you're doing the work someone else could be doing and there's no scalability to that. If you're not bringing in business or jumping to management to manage those workers your salary gets capped by the fact that less experienced people can do your work"

If that's true why can't we find a single decent electrical engineer to hire

I work in media and not tech, but there is a weird antipathy of late to the decently paid specialist who doesn't manage people. But everyone who sucks it up and becomes a manager to get paid burns out and leaves. Many such cases.

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

Mr Hootington posted:

Manual labor is more satisfying work

Absolutely but when people think of manual labor it's either factory work or sticking your hand down a toilet. There are so many other forms of manual labor that require extensive training and expertise and we just don't hear about (or value) those, and capital would really not prefer to pay for any training, at all. Hey why aren't there bolts in this door plug

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Back in 2010s military I got to wave goodbye at the retiring breed of Warrant Officers who did complicated college educated functions related to war, but didn't lead troops or manage squads for any of their career. Now everybody in plane flying class must primarily be managers or they get drummed out from doing either.

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

PoundSand posted:

Have none of these people heard of the gig economy? Unemployment is p much always gonna look low from here on out as long because we've created an endless supply of lovely jobs you can't afford to live off of.

that and we continue to kill people via social murder (covid)

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Nonsense posted:

i heard a speech pathologist say she wanted to be a teacher but they make poo poo and she likes being high income instead.

Money can be exchanged for goods and services

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

Nonsense posted:

i heard a speech pathologist say she wanted to be a teacher but they make poo poo and she likes being high income instead.

I think there's also the known idea (or at least perception of) there not being much support for teachers anymore. Like I did tutoring as a side job in college and have kind of continued doing in the years since in my spare time, and I really do like teaching with students one on one or in smaller groups. I certainly considered going into public school teaching when I decided that my original research oriented career wasn't really what I wanted to do long term, but one of the incredibly nice parts about private tutoring is you get to pick and choose your students and set boundaries with parents. My wife is a prof at a local state uni and even colleges have gotten absurd with what she has to put up with as a teacher, like the emails she gets from students (and their parents) on a regular basis are completely shocking to me, and she p much has to put up with it as part of her career.

I think I'd be a good teacher, but the low pay, overflooded classrooms, getting absolutely no support with any conflict involving students/parents, the lack of covid protections that are legit just killing teachers, it's simply not a desirable field to get involved with.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
The PTA has turned into the PvTL

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer

Frosted Flake posted:

I think warranty. If you tune your Golf R to have a hotter hatch, you void VW's 6 year warranty.

Yep if they're checking for warranty work because you blew a ringland or something they're gonna use whatever they can to deny the work and that includes seeing if you've flashed the ECU recently

Past the warranty sure plug in a tuner to the OBD2 port and go nuts



There are also piggyback devices developed for some cars that sit in parallel with the ECU and interrupt/modify inputs/outputs to achieve similar results to a real ECU flash. Maybe these could achieve turning on all of the car features really easily without flashing the ECU and thus remaining undetected if something goes wrong and you just uninstall the thing before you take the car in for warrantied service


Everything eventually gets cracked, even John Deere combines

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

PoundSand posted:

I think there's also the known idea (or at least perception of) there not being much support for teachers anymore. Like I did tutoring as a side job in college and have kind of continued doing in the years since in my spare time, and I really do like teaching with students one on one or in smaller groups. I certainly considered going into public school teaching when I decided that my original research oriented career wasn't really what I wanted to do long term, but one of the incredibly nice parts about private tutoring is you get to pick and choose your students and set boundaries with parents. My wife is a prof at a local state uni and even colleges have gotten absurd with what she has to put up with as a teacher, like the emails she gets from students (and their parents) on a regular basis are completely shocking to me, and she p much has to put up with it as part of her career.

I think I'd be a good teacher, but the low pay, overflooded classrooms, getting absolutely no support with any conflict involving students/parents, the lack of covid protections that are legit just killing teachers, it's simply not a desirable field to get involved with.

please :justpost: some stories in here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4048414&perpage=40&pagenumber=1&noseen=1

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

OH MY BAD posted:

of all the things to trim in your budget why would your first instinct be "eat wilted lettuce and baloney"? that's the stuff your body is supposed to be using to fuel itself

no it wasn’t wilted and the lunch meat was $3 for maybe 8slices of turkey
so after her meeting we drove back to school each eating two sandwiches that should have cost me ~$6 total, but there was nothing cheaper than that salad and I thought for the size of it we’d end up with at least some dressing otherwise I’d have just bought a whole lettuce

“those salad eaters are willing to pay anything for their health mwahahahaha”

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer

loquacius posted:

Oh. Then yeah THAT's stupid. Obviously any tech only available to the rich will be used to gently caress everyone else

Neo-Luddite movement when

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Computer touchers thought they were so special that they scoffed at the thought of unionization. Oops

Yea this will kinda forever be a lol from me

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Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

Can't imagine being a teacher at a public school right now when a big percentage of the parents think you have been installed there by George Soros or whoever specifically to groom their child.

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