Shishkahuben posted:

I hate how "it'll get overturned on appeal" is such a meaningless, nebulous claim that it's everyone's first and last thought. It's "we'll take this all the way to the supreme court!" applied to someone who thinks the supreme court applies to everything ever, and also that they owe him a solid so it's a done deal.

Clueless jackass morons

PC LOAD LETTER posted:

I want to see some real suffering for this rear end in a top hat not just a hit to his wallet.

Google Jeb Bush posted:

"truckers are 95% trump" seems iffy, the teamsters union is sorta a big deal

MrQwerty posted:

Putting it in the papers that he's poor is literally the worst thing you can do to his psyche

Tricky Ed posted:

LOL, and furthermore, LMAO.

Sydney Bottocks posted:

Trump can't appeal without putting up at least the total (if not more, counting interest) of the $355 million judgement as bond.

MrQwerty posted:

The next time he does a tv interview and gets asked about his finances is gonna be

ESDK posted:

This is an outrage! I was told no loads would be refused!

Google Jeb Bush posted:

"truckers are 95% trump" seems iffy, the teamsters union is sorta a big deal

kw0134 posted:

Trump Tower is a glass box in a sea of glass boxes, and it's not the most notable building in its immediate neighborhood, that distinction owned by the skyscraper by Philip Johnson which is known for its broken pediment that is a classic of the pomo era of architecture.

wiki posted:

On the sidewalk opposite the main entrance, there is a four-sided brown-and-beige clock, which was created by the Electric Time Company and is nearly 16 feet (4.9 m) tall. In August 2023, The New York Times wrote that the clock had been installed illegally, as the building's owner, the Trump Organization, had neither applied for nor received a permit. The Trump Organization finally applied for a permit in 2015

The top story is marked as "68" because, according to Trump, the five-story-tall public atrium occupied the height of ten ordinary stories. However, several Bloomberg L.P. writers later determined that Trump's calculations did not account for the fact the ceiling heights in Trump Tower were much taller than in comparable buildings, and the tower did not have any floors numbered 6–13. According to one author, the building may have as few as 48 usable stories

Trump Tower has been described as one of the city's least energy-efficient buildings per square foot. In 2017, Trump Tower's Energy Star score was 44 out of 100, below the city's overall median Energy Star score and lower than the 48 out of 100 score recorded in 2015

In return for providing privately operated public space (POPS), Trump received floor area ratio (FAR) zoning bonuses that amounted to 105,436 square feet (9,795.3 m2), allowing him to add several floors to the building. Under city law, POPS must be accessible from the street, provide a place to sit, and not require the public to purchase anything. Sometime prior to 2008, the Trump Organization removed the public bench and installed a counter selling Trump-branded merchandise in the public space passageway inside the Fifth Avenue entrance. They were fined $2,500 in 2008 but the counter remained. By 2015, a second counter had been added. In 2016, the Trump Organization was fined $14,000 and ordered to remove the sales counters and reinstall the bench

Trump Grill was generally panned as gaudy-looking and the food bland-tasting. Vanity Fair called it a contender for "the worst restaurant in America"

Trump said he had placed the lowest residential story on floor 30 as part of a marketing strategy for all his towers, and that he "did not see why he should be forced to call the first residential floor something mundane like the second floor, or even the 20th floor." Trump may also have numbered the residential floors because he disliked the fact that the nearby General Motors Building was 41 feet (12 m) taller

A writer for New York magazine said the [zoning] approval of Trump Tower has "legitimized a pushy kid nobody took seriously,"

The architect initially proposed a design similar to Boston's John Hancock Tower, but Trump objected strongly. He preferred a building that was both expensive and very tall

Barbara Res, who had worked on some of Trump's other projects, was hired as the construction executive in October 1980. Res was the first woman assigned to oversee a major New York City construction site. She was often ignored by subcontractors and suppliers who were new to the project, as they thought the person in charge of construction was a man

In May 1983, a glass windowpane fell from a crane installing windows on the tower, hitting two pedestrians, one of whom later died from a skull fracture

By 1986, between 15% and 20% of the tower's original stores had closed or moved to another location. The commercial rents were the highest of any building along Fifth Avenue at the time, with retail space in the atrium costing $450 per square foot ($4,800/m2) per year. One writer for Vanity Fair magazine noted that as tenants were evicted from the tower's atrium due to high rents, several of them sued the Trump Organization for issues such as overbilling and illegal lease termination

Wells Fargo & Co., the master servicer of the $100 million mortgage loan Trump took out in 2012, placed the tower on a debt watch list in September 2021 because its average occupancy had fallen to 78.9% from 85.9% at the end of 2020. By early 2024, Gucci was the only large retailer in the tower's retail atrium, which had once contained up to 60 stores

Qatar Airways, owned by the Qatari government, has rented commercial space in the tower since at least 2008, a fact that news media outlets noted when Executive Order 13769 suspended immigration from seven majority-Muslim countries but not from Qatar

The rent paid by the Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign for its Trump Tower headquarters increased from a monthly $35,458 in March 2016 in rent to $169,758 in August

Angelo Donghia provided the original black-and-white, brass-and-mahogany design for the [Trump] penthouse, which was later replaced with a gold-and-Greek-column design after Trump reportedly saw the more lavish house of Saudi businessman Adnan Khashoggi

Chuck Blazer, the former president of CONCACAF, rented two apartments on the 49th floor, one occupied by himself and another occupied by his cats, for a combined $24,000 oer month. The apartments and office space were described as part of an "extravagant" lifestyle that ultimately resulted in Blazer being apprehended and becoming an FBI informant in a corruption investigation into several soccer organizations

During Trump's presidency, the Secret Service initially used the apartment directly underneath Trump's triplex penthouse as their command post but moved into a trailer on the sidewalk in July 2017

The art dealer Robert Miller owned a gallery across Fifth Avenue from the Bonwit Teller Building [which stood on the site now occupied by Trump Tower]. When Miller heard the building was to be demolished, he contacted Penelope Hunter-Stiebel, a curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. In December 1979, Stiebel and Trump agreed that the Art Deco limestone bas-relief sculptures of semi-nude goddesses on the Bonwit Teller Building's facade, as well as the massive ornate 15 by 25 feet (4.6 by 7.6 m) grille above the store's entrance, would be removed and donated to the Metropolitan Museum. On April 16, 1980, the grille and sculptures were removed from the building. They were set to be transported to a junkyard and destroyed because, according to Trump, there were general hazard concerns, expense, and a possible 10-day construction delay due to the difficulty of removing them. Trump later acknowledged he had personally ordered the destruction of the sculptures and grille. Trump said these "so-called Art Deco sculptures, which were garbage by the way," had been informally appraised by three different individuals as "not valuable"

Trump had paid $774,000 to a window-cleaning company that employed undocumented Polish immigrants during [demolition and construction]. According to the laborers, they were paid $4 an hour (equivalent to $12 in 2022) for 12-hour shifts, and were not told about asbestos in the under-construction structure

Trump maintained a connection with organized crime members to supply the building's concrete. Mafia-connected union boss John Cody supplied Trump with concrete in exchange for giving his mistress a high-level apartment with a pool

Trump claimed to own the painting Two Sisters (On the Terrace), an 1881 work by French Impressionist artist Pierre-Auguste Renoir. The original work hangs in the Art Institute of Chicago. In October 2017, Timothy L. O'Brien said that...he asked Trump about the copy of Two Sisters, which was then on Trump's plane. Trump repeatedly said his copy was the genuine work. The Art Institute of Chicago released a statement refuting Trump's claim that his Renoir copy (later moved to his penthouse office) was the genuine one

The fifth edition of the AIA Guide to New York City, published in 2010, described Trump Tower as...less like a high-end "Veuve Clicquot" and more like a generic "malt liquor."

Synesthesian Fetish posted:

If he loses his NJ properties what happens to Ivana's remains? I'm assuming they come with the property.

mdxi posted:

Barbara Res, who had worked on some of Trump's other projects, was hired as the construction executive in October 1980. Res was the first woman assigned to oversee a major New York City construction site. She was often ignored by subcontractors and suppliers who were new to the project, as they thought the person in charge of construction was a man

cr0y posted:

I love these internally conflicting marching orders

BrigadierSensible posted:

What happens to Trump Co. assets in NY now?

Is there a chance they will be liquidated? And is there a chance that they will be liquidated via public auction?

Basically I want to see the scene from the Simpsons recreated where Bart becomes a Warehouse owner for $1. Only this time with Orange Donny PooPants raging in the background that it is worth 100, now 1,000 times that amount.

winterwerefox posted:

my 20x20ft cabin is worth 1,100,000$ i just need a loan for 1000% of that. and its actually 4400 sq ft. and zoned for residential and recreational, and deed restricted and im living there. its also a glamourous resort. it makes me 50 million a year. so really, you would be stupid to not loan me this money.

yes, local taxes assess it at illegal and built without permits.

staberind posted:

I am probably wrong, but isn't the entire trump family on the hook for that half a bil?

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Data Graham posted:

Sure just regurgitate trump’s exact same word barf point for point

It’s so calculated they have to know exactly what they’re doing and how stupid it is. They’re just counting on their rubes being stupider

LordSloth posted:

Trust me, I have been dead before in this lifetime.

Fishmasher posted:

why do people who seem to have no empathy for anyone else in the world get so angry when just this one single guy loses a court case

some actually behave like it's hurting them personally, but wouldn't care at all when it happens to anybody else

is it all a fake display to demonstrate loyalty, or have they made him into an extension of themselves

weg posted:

I registered as an independent 20yrs ago when I signed up to vote for the first time. I've pretty much exclusively voted for Dem/Independent candidates since. I'd say I'm a good bit further left in my political leanings than the core of the Democratic party but the main reason I've never registered as a Dem is because the people in charge are loving morons who should be easily dunking on Republicans every time but somehow cannot figure out how to market to young people.

dr_rat posted:

Also his next campaign speech. Those are where he tends to go most off the rails.

PC LOAD LETTER posted:

$300 million+ fine is a lot but he can probably raid the RNC + have his cultists donate enough to cover that in about 6-8 months so I wouldn't get too hopeful that this will be enough to cause him to face any real consequences.

Any appeal attempts are going to be bullshit but I don't doubt that even with his mediocre lawyers he'll be able to avoid paying out on that for years given how far they were able to stretch things with basically NOTHING factual or sensible.

Supposedly he got over $700 million in 2020 for his campaign for reference.

So this will probably make a dent in his and the ability of the RNC to campaign effectively, which is good, but I really doubt its sufficient on its own to be a game changer there either.

Would love to be wrong on this of course but the guilty verdicts for the criminal cases against him are what I'm really jonesing for.

Snuffman posted:

I do think this might start to break off his supporters too (the crazy ones that follow him like he's a band on tour).

He's whining about how he's actually so rich but you need to give him money while they spent a fortune (to them) just following him? Something is going to start breaking.

TulliusCicero posted:

You can't just "raise" 300 million from an already tapped out pool of idiots.

TulliusCicero posted:

The appeal has to have a basis, or it will be laughed out of court and dismissed outright. The appeal "fraud is not a CRIME!" is utterly insane.

TulliusCicero posted:

No they won't

These are Narcissists. If you have never truly met or lived with a narc, it is very difficult to understand, but the simplest way to put it is they are NEVER wrong, about anything ever. Everything bad is someone else's fault, no matter what. THEY were always right. And they will hurt or manipulate anyone pr anything, because they are just so drat right about everything.

Trump is an extension of them now, because he obviously agrees with them and that makes him super smart, and the Narcissistic injury is too great to admit they have been wrong for 10+ years, so they will continue to double down, until they rage out. I don't know why really, but bigger Narcissists seem to attract little Narcissists like Flies, and Trump is about as big as you can get.

nine-gear crow posted:

I can't believe the RNC just lost $365 million today.

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted: