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Guavanaut posted:They could build some not-house accommodation and have it run by the local authority and not made out of thermite and paraffin wax. If we were talking about a socialist paradise where building regulations are more than a statement for the developers of 'minimum achievable quality before it falls apart and you have to pay out on warranty' then possibly, but there are still quality-of-life concerns. I'm someone who probably doesn't need more than a single bedroom flat with storage options for space requirements, but I have a small 2 bedroom house because I am sensitive to noise (autism) and the last place I lived the neighbour made our lives miserable. It's not perfect - we have a drop ceiling in the lounge that amplifies a bunch of noise, but the neighbours on that side are mostly quiet, and the noise we do get is just normal living sounds. I'm incredibly lucky to be able to have something that mostly meets our needs, and being in that situation I would say that people's 'needs' are not just square footage - people have other needs like not being crammed in like cattle, the right to relax at home, safety, accessibility etc. And accessibility is something generally not factored into most multilevel flats, especially in places where the lift is always broken / a spare urinal. I think my point is that 2 or 3 high apartments / flats strike me as a good idea in pure theory, but we would have to do a lot to reform build regulations and noise insulation requirements before your average person is going to consider buying The Cube Where You Are Surrounded On 4 Sides By Noisy Wankers. And people's requirements for a healthy living space are more complex than just 'four walls and a door, maybe a window or two' which is the kind of thinking that flats lend themselves to. I know your point wasn't entirely 'just build flats' but my point is that there are many more facets to it than pulling the big lever from houses to flats - it'd be a start, but only if it came along with massive changes to regulations, public attitudes and pretty much every level of both national and local government.
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Private Speech posted:All that said I have very little trust that Labour would do something about it, at this point so much of the voting publics wealth is tied up in housing that any collapse in house prices would be complete electoral poison.
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Mar 25, 2024 15:28
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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But the banks are Too Big To Eat poo poo
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Mar 25, 2024 15:36
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suck my woke dick posted:just have a forever moratorium on mortgage related evictions and let the banks eat poo poo Then who's to fund all the disgraced former politicians' post-career gigs? every current politician knows they're at most one step from being disgraced former, and those speaking gigs don't exactly pay because they sell out on ticket master u know
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Mar 25, 2024 15:43
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Microplastics posted:But the banks are Too Big To Eat poo poo if loving Iceland could, then so can the UK
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Mar 25, 2024 15:43
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we have a fake economy shored up by cocaine use in canary wharf
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Mar 25, 2024 15:45
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OwlFancier posted:I find it weird to assume that house prices are the way they are because of strict supply problems rather than because of a decentralised cartel effect where everyone who owns them is just charging as much as possible for them and nobody has an incentive to undercut anyone else because its a captive market. I mean yeah, sure, but even if the government steps in with heavy regulation there will still be a housing shortage. Most effective public housing programmes at least pair the two.
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Mar 25, 2024 15:45
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What if you triangulated by campaigning on something like "actually, 70% of home owners are asylum seekers who came to the UK floating on flotsam" what then
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Mar 25, 2024 15:45
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suck my woke dick posted:if loving Iceland could, then so can the UK We have 2 aircraft carriers and nuclear missiles though. Wait what's that I'm hearing?
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Mar 25, 2024 15:46
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Then who's to fund all the disgraced former politicians' post-career gigs? every current politician knows they're at most one step from being disgraced former, and those speaking gigs don't exactly pay because they sell out on ticket master u know ban politicians from taking a paid job after leaving office (if they want to work then all extra income goes to a charity that doesn't have them on the board). they can have a pension indexed to the median wage.
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Mar 25, 2024 15:46
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Guavanaut posted:They could build some not-house accommodation and have it run by the local authority and not made out of thermite and paraffin wax. It's telling that neither island gets any public services
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Mar 25, 2024 15:46
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Z the IVth posted:We have 2 aircraft carriers and nuclear missiles though. sounds like enough firepower to deter some bankers
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Mar 25, 2024 15:47
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:What if you triangulated by campaigning on something like "actually, 70% of home owners are asylum seekers who came to the UK floating on flotsam" if you go back far enough how many lesser nobles are french revolution refugee nobles send the frogs back where they belong and distribute their country mansions to the masses is what I'm saying
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Mar 25, 2024 15:48
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Gort posted:It's telling that neither island gets any public services The one with suburban homes will only have meth labs.
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Mar 25, 2024 15:52
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Gort posted:It's telling that neither island gets any public services Truly the newbuild experience, it's just missing the patches of houses that had to be rebuilt 3 times because of shoddy construction and the apartment balconies that fell over because they rusted down to nothing in 2 months after construction
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Mar 25, 2024 15:53
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suck my woke dick posted:if loving Iceland could, then so can the UK
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Mar 25, 2024 16:08
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
Something like this, I guess?  Nice flats ARE possible, we just don't have them in the UK right now.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:09
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Sadly we have a real deficit of earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis and civil wars in the UK, so opportunities for urban renewal aren't what they could be.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:33
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Make them apartments instead of flats.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:33
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Pistol_Pete posted:Something like this, I guess? That looks horrific tbh.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:33
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I got really lucky with my flat, Built in the early 80s and in thirteen years I have never heard so much as a footstep from the flat upstairs. Maybe every tenant who's ever lived in that flat happens to be light as a feather, maybe the landlord fitted a memory foam floor or something, but given that neither of those things are true it seems to me that it's entirely possible to build flats with adequate soundproofing, modern builders just cheap out.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:34
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OwlFancier posted:That looks horrific tbh. Have you ever been to Barcelona? It's really nice, and easy to get around.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:36
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Endjinneer posted:Sadly we have a real deficit of earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis and civil wars in the UK, so opportunities for urban renewal aren't what they could be. Just wait till Comrade Putin invades!
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Mar 25, 2024 16:38
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I grew up a Swedish "million programme" area, and I really like its planning though it's now mostly associated with poor and segregated suburbs housing around a centre area with shopping/schools/services, with walking/bike roads connecting them. Parking space is placed so kids can play and go to school without crossing a trafficked road. lots of green stuff with small bits of old forest spared within walking distance. public transport from the centre area to the closest town, with smaller bus lines running the outer perimeter It's a pretty great idea imo
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Mar 25, 2024 16:42
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i mean i'm not opposed to building a copy of the sagrada familia in the middle of every uk town but i don't think the politicians will be keen on it
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Mar 25, 2024 16:42
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Failed Imagineer posted:Have you ever been to Barcelona? It's really nice, and easy to get around. I guess as cities go maybe it isn't as bad as a similarly sized ones elsewhere. Perhaps it looks better from the ground? I guess that explains why I vaguely recognized the cathederal, I assume that's sagrada familia? Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I grew up a Swedish "million programme" area, and I really like its planning though it's now mostly associated with poor and segregated suburbs Yeah if i had to live in dense housing I'd prefer commieblocks in parks rather than infinite concrete hell. E: I know Sweden doesn't technically build commieblocks but those do look a lot like the prefab soviet designs.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:42
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OwlFancier posted:I guess as cities go maybe it isn't as bad as a similarly sized ones elsewhere. Perhaps it looks better from the ground? It looks cool from the air, and it's just nice to walk around from the ground. Seems like most of the superblocks have nice leafy courtyards, and a lot of the activated street frontage is lil hipster coffee shops and cocktail bars and bodegas and bike repair shops and whatnot. It's a good vibe. Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Mar 25, 2024 16:45
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:What if you triangulated by campaigning on something like "actually, 70% of home owners are asylum seekers who came to the UK floating on flotsam" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrCKMSHp4M
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Mar 25, 2024 16:47
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Angepain posted:i mean i'm not opposed to building a copy of the sagrada familia in the middle of every uk town but i don't think the politicians will be keen on it
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Mar 25, 2024 16:48
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Angepain posted:i mean i'm not opposed to building a copy of the sagrada familia in the middle of every uk town but i don't think the politicians will be keen on it It's an impressive public works project that nobody ever actually expects to be completed. Politicians would love it.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:51
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Let a thousand garden bridges bloom.
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Runcible Cat posted:Just wait till Comrade Putin invades! nuclear war would improve the UK housing market
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Mar 25, 2024 16:55
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Jedit posted:It's an impressive public works project that nobody ever actually expects to be completed. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/25/travel/sagrada-familia-barcelona-completion-scli-intl/index.html
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Mar 25, 2024 16:55
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OwlFancier posted:E: I know Sweden doesn't technically build commieblocks but those do look a lot like the prefab soviet designs. They're great in pretty much every other way, so I'll forgive them for being ugly
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Mar 25, 2024 16:57
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i’ve been to barcelona a few times for work. lovely place to walk around; that’s probably the worst picture of it you could use lol la sagrada familia is really a stunning work to visit
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Mar 25, 2024 16:57
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Jedit posted:It's an impressive public works project that nobody ever actually expects to be completed. Politicians would love it. It's built from English stone! We could open up the quarries and have miners again!
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Mar 25, 2024 16:57
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:They're great in pretty much every other way, so I'll forgive them for being ugly I mean.... I don't actually think they're ugly  Honestly probably one of my most hated architectures is the neoclassical/palladian stuff you get in the UK. Just incredibly oppressive to be around. I'm not averse to neoclassical stuff in general but the UK seems to trend a lot towards gigantic columns and porticos that are really unpleasant to be next to. Like cheap flat roof crap is at least basically honest? There was a fair bit of that where I grew up and although it's kinda knackered I'd rather live around it than having everything look like a loving bank. I'd probably feel the same way about glass and steel contemporary stuff if I were more exposed to it though tbh. Never been anywhere that really had skyscrapers so I don't have to think about them. If I ever do I'll probably hate that more. E: though no, actually, I went to Manchester and that has tall modern buildings and I thought it looked quite nice... Maybe I do just hate neoclassical in particular then. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Mar 25, 2024 17:01
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/25/travel/sagrada-familia-barcelona-completion-scli-intl/index.html I'm aware. This isn't the first time a completion date has been given, and even now people are still saying "well actually it's more like 2034". It's been under construction for 142 years - can you imagine a politician not trying to get a foothold on that grift?
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Mar 25, 2024 17:15
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https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1772210204987310376 ecclesiastes 1:9
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More like Ecclesiastes 1:15
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