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Kazinsal posted:Anyone who thinks that "trying to slow down the degeneration of basic rights for American citizens and fumbling on some things" and "actively aiming to turn the country into an evangelical ethnostate" are the same political ballpark -- hell, the same loving sport -- should get their internet privileges restricted to a 1200 baud modem and an 80x24 text-only terminal from 1975. You know what haggling is? You know what a chicken race is? You know full well why I'm asking you rhetorical questions? People who pretend they won't vote are hoping to alter the deal of incremental progress. Squeaky wheel gets the grease can't be a novel concept needing analysis, come on
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:You know what haggling is? You know what a chicken race is? You know full well why I'm asking you rhetorical questions? People who pretend they won't vote are hoping to alter the deal of incremental progress. Squeaky wheel gets the grease can't be a novel concept needing analysis, come on You've got a whole new generation of voters who weren't alive for the 2000 election and were mostly in middle school in 2016, both elections where third party candidates shifted the outcome. I don't think a lot of them will end up using the level of political calculus you just outlined - I think a lot of them will pull the level for third parties. psydude fucked around with this message at 07:47 on May 2, 2024 |
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Let's take a quick look at the Trump platform. We can ignore prosecuting his political opponents, first among them Joe Biden. If SCOTUS doesn't give him immunity he deserves it. DoJ is a weapon so weaponize that poo poo. Mass deportations? What's the big deal, they are "just poisoning the blood of our country". gently caress it give the police immunity and then mobilize the security apparatus of the US, including the DoD, to round them up. Cartels? Yeah we need another full on drug war in Latin America, especially with our closest neighbor. NATO and allies? Naw gently caress that poo poo. Let Russia "do whatever they want". Education? Abolish the DoE, "put parents back in charge and give them the final say" and then give funding preferences and "favorable treatment" to schools that allow election of principals. His 1776 commission and further plans are just indoctrination. Theres more but this is tedious because what the gently caress who looks at any of this and is like "Oh yeah but what about Biden he never gave me my $2000 he promised" so here's what really scares me: Bureaucracy: Cut everything. Political litmus tests as a condition of employment. Support Trump or get hosed. Fully weaponize the bureaucracy by filling it bottom to top with bootlickers and entrench them. Cut competence with no regard for need or relevance. The federal government is still recovering from his last term and there are still huge gaps and long wait times. It was a train wreck and this will be an absolute tragedy.
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I feel like the Muslim ban and move US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem president might be even worse for Palestinians than Sleepy Joe.
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lightpole posted:Let's take a quick look at the Trump platform. Again, I agree that voting for Biden is the best option, but this response to people expressing genuine hurt over the situation probably isn't the best approach. Even if you vehemently disagree with their perspective and can't empathize with them. While the doomers are absolutely making the most of the tensions, there's a lot of sincere feeling. Dem voters pushing for the administration to correct its course seems both more morally correct and politically efficacious. The admin could even assert the framing that holding Israel accountable is pro-Israel, restraining its far-right leader's worst impulses to protect the principles the country was rhetorically founded on. Or just bomb the IDF until it can't continue its campaign Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 08:29 on May 2, 2024 |
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Trump was already president for four years. A lot of people feel that they already know what 47’s term would be like. The largest group who believe that his second term will be quite different is his own MAGA base. They believe that he will deliver on his promises. Most people left of Mitch McConnell do not.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Cool. What do you think is the persuasive efficacy of this approach to a left-leaning voter who is genuinely emotionally invested in the belief that the Biden admin is complicit in genocide? More than zero, for sure, but enough for November in battleground states? It's hard to guestimate just how many might sit out, but the polls are already way too close. Oh cool. You're right. Sit it out and ignore the guy that moved the embassy to Jerusalem and further enabled the Isreali right wing while also pushing Nazi language. My bad.
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lightpole posted:Oh cool. You're right. Sit it out and ignore the guy that moved the embassy to Jerusalem and further enabled the Isreali right wing while also pushing Nazi language. My bad.
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If you can find the answer to "How do we convince people not to vote against their best interests" you have pretty much solved the central problem of democracy.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Yep, like I said, it's not the right decision from my point of view. But is that going to persuade a Michigander with family ties to Gaza who's been following the war crimes being perpetrated against their relatives? Or the variety of other groups in the Democratic base who for one reason or another are emotionally invested in the plight of Palestinians? What the gently caress else is there to say? If they aren't persuaded then better things aren't possible and we deserve everything we get.
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lightpole posted:What the gently caress else is there to say? If they aren't persuaded then better things aren't possible and we deserve everything we get. The admin could also be a lot more careful about painting the whole of the human rights protests as anti-Semitic, pushing back on the Republican narrative to make all the clearer that there is meaningful difference between the parties and that a vote would matter. e: fwiw I suspect the admin has really been banking on the negotiations to be successful shortly and is afraid to change course until that resolved one way or another Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 09:18 on May 2, 2024 |
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I'm voting for Mickey Mouse, but because of his political platform and choice of running mate
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Platystemon posted:Trump was already president for four years. Yeah, no. The American far right is very eager not to repeat the mistake of 2016 and start with a massive purge of all state institutions, so there'll be no sane people left to rein in the loonies this time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 The entire world has to deal with the consequences of your election, and we don't get a vote. So those of you who can vote better make drat sure you do.
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“You should take Trump at his word this time” is a correct statement, but you have to recognize how weird it is.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Why not offer them a reason to vote for Biden instead of against Trump? The US has already rhetorically stated that there will be consequences if Israel goes too far—it can simply back up those words with incremental public action (gonna need to be more than abstaining from a watered-down UN resolution). That would get attention and, though it won't appease everyone, it would ensure fewer sit out. Here's a simple reason - in a first past the post electoral system, if you want your electoral preferences represented the best strategic option is to vote every time and vote for the least bad viable candidate in general elections. People aren't entirely rational of course and it's not entirely fair to blame individuals for making bad choices in a system that's designed poorly. But that's not changing any time soon, and anyone who considers themselves at all politically informed and is even thinking about voting for someone other than Biden in a general election is not thinking it through, delusional, or actually prefers Trump. Not voting, spoiling your ballot, or voting for a third party in a first past the post system is not a meaningful protest, and while it's nice wishful thinking that the least bad candidate or party has to "earn" your vote that only helps put worse people in power. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 10:56 on May 2, 2024 |
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Hannibal Rex posted:The entire world has to deal with the consequences of your election, and we don't get a vote. So those of you who can vote better make drat sure you do.
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Kith posted:My take on the 2024 Election is as follows: This is pretty much exactly where I'm at. The US government has made some important policy decisions that have legit made a lot of people's lives better/easier, even if I get the feeling that Biden had to be pulled along by his advisers to get there on some of these things (especially weed), and there's absolutely no doubt that Trump would be worse on quite literally every single issue. But this: quote:Biden is also, at this very moment, enabling the genocide of Palestinians by sending arms shipments to Israel. In a sane world, this would disqualify him from my vote, because I don't give a gently caress about how many nice things he's given me, my closest friends' families have been slaughtered and he's actively supporting that. is a very salient point that can't be ignored. We didn't have a competitive primary season where voters could state their preferences; Joe decided that he was the best person to beat Trump again even though polls tell an uncomfortably different story and the DNC fell in line. Regardless of the public outcry and mild statements condemning certain Israeli actions/actors, the administration continues to shovel billions of dollars of weapons at a country whose response to an atrocious attack has been wildly and dangerously disproportionate. And it also doesn't help that the Biden administration puts out what should have been a milquetoast statement on Passover that bizarrely singles out college campuses when the protests were ramping up: quote:This blatant Antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous – and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country. If you're a student who is participating in these protests because you care about the human rights and lives of the people being bombed into paste, then this is an absolute slap in the face from the man who expects you to fall in line and vote for him in November. I can understand why people are heaping blame on Biden during the protests, even though it's absurd to think he's directing the police response (which I would also argue is wildly and dangerously disproportionate!) People threatening to withhold their votes is the last tactic they can employ since the administration has indicated that it won't change course on its own and have been dismissive of protests in general. As I've mentioned before when this topic has come up, I live in DC, a city with two electoral votes that went at least 90% against Trump in 2016 and 2020, so my vote in the general election simply doesn't matter, and yeah, I'll still pull the lever for Biden in November because he's not Donald loving Trump. However, I do plan on voting "uncommitted" during DC's "primary" because I have no other meaningful way of telling Biden that he is loving up enormously. And as painful as it is, I can understand why a Palestinian-American voter in Michigan is agonizing about voting for Biden or staying home, but saying "well actually you know Trump would be way worse than Biden on this issue" because they loving know that, which is why it's so painful to watch the "better" guy continuing to aid the country that's bombing their extended family into paste. bad_fmr posted:If you can find the answer to "How do we convince people not to vote against their best interests" you have pretty much solved the central problem of democracy. Again, the greatest lie that political science has ever convinced itself of is that voter behavior can be explained.
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Israel is genociding Palestinians. Dems say it must be done slowly with decorum and insist on slight restraint. Trump says they're not genociding quickly or thoroughly enough. While frankly the Dems will save far more Palestinian lives, genocide count: Biden 1, Trump 1. Russia is attempting to genocide Ukraine. Dems support Ukraine. Chuds have fully embraced Russian propaganda and will work to ensure Russian success. Genocide count Biden 1, Trump 2. China is genociding the Uighers. Dems don't say poo poo, but Biden has been working to shore up alliances against Chinese imperialism and reduce economic dependence on China. Republicans don't say poo poo except as an excuse to say racist things about the Chinese. They push a lot of performative anti-China laws while actually weakening counter China cooperation in the in the Pacific. Genocide count, Biden 2, Trump 3. Red states are genociding trans people. Genocide count Biden 2, Trump 4. Chuds are calling for a new round of central American drug wars, mass deportation of Hispanics, and deliberate inhumane treatment of Hispanic refugees fleeing the consequences of our previous imperial meddling. Genocide count, Biden 2, Trump 5. Can I have no genocide? No? well gently caress me, but at least two is less than five. Now if y'all will excuse me but I need to go see if my representative just voted for the law saying I'm a Jewish antisemite because I want to see Operation Israeli Freedom depose the WMD possessing Netenyahu regime and bring democracy to the Israeli people.
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Soylent Pudding posted:
Pre '48 borders or GTFO.
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If you want to inject some levity into the proceedings, here's a business owner that likely just detonated her vegan restaurant because she doesn't know her clientele, got irrationally angry at a migrant paying for food with a prepaid card, and Donnie's belief that she has time travelling powers. https://twitter.com/compujeramey/status/1785804047049494854?t=0IRbIo4G3rvvJzhaOkUQlw&s=19
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Meanwhile, First Amendment, what's that?:quote:House Republicans are seeking to unite their unruly majority around an evergreen conservative cause, devising a strict response to the wave of pro-Palestinian protests that have roiled college campuses across the country in recent weeks. Even if this bill doesn't survive the Senate or get signed into law, it's still disturbing that so many House Democrats voted in favor of this.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Meanwhile, First Amendment, what's that?: "Blood and soil" Republicans say they're concerned about antisemitism and people still take them seriously. There is nothing there to salvage, if a Republican is saying something they're lying. Tiki torch marchers aren't voting for Biden.
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I-95 in Connecticut is closed. https://twitter.com/katrosenfield/status/1786016026792009987?t=IPz8fiGGGWsmIqBMoqlgRA&s=19
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Soylent Pudding posted:Israel is genociding Palestinians. Dems say it must be done slowly with decorum and insist on slight restraint. Trump says they're not genociding quickly or thoroughly enough. While frankly the Dems will save far more Palestinian lives, genocide count: Biden 1, Trump 1. Chuds are saying pregnant women whose pregnancies may not be feasible should die because Jeebus thinks babies are cute and says they should live regardless and, even if they die, well, He Works In Mysterious WaysTM. Biden 2, Trump 6.
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bird food bathtub posted:"Blood and soil" Republicans say they're concerned about antisemitism and people still take them seriously. There is nothing there to salvage, if a Republican is saying something they're lying. Tiki torch marchers aren't voting for Biden. Several very old and prominent members of the local Jewish Community went up and gave speeches and ultimately an award to our very Republican governor. My freshman daughter reacted like "what the gently caress? This is the party whose supporters had a klan rally about jews not replacing them a few years ago." The point being, a loving 15 year old can figure this poo poo out.
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Steezo posted:Pre '48 borders or GTFO. Let's not give the Tories any more brilliant ideas.
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One of the Donnie nicknames is now legally canon: https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1786033918379962428?t=pWTnWJJau4Tjs9OLdNYfkw&s=19
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stealie72 posted:My (then 15 year old) daughter went to a "Holocaust Memorial Luncheon" presented by several prominent local Jewish organizations with some of her freshman honors history class last year. One of the Jewish Republican state reps in Florida who also pushes a bunch of anti-trans poo poo was asked about Florida's neo-nazi problem and whether Republican rhetoric could be contributing to it. He said that definitionally Republicans can't be anti-Semitic because they support Israel and called the reporter insane because obviously anti-semites wouldn't be supporting Israel. Motivated reasoning is a hell of a drug.
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Soylent Pudding posted:One of the Jewish Republican state reps in Florida who also pushes a bunch of anti-trans poo poo was asked about Florida's neo-nazi problem and whether Republican rhetoric could be contributing to it. He said that definitionally Republicans can't be anti-Semitic because they support Israel and called the reporter insane because obviously anti-semites wouldn't be supporting Israel. Motivated reasoning is a hell of a drug. Yeah, reminder that the rabid evangelical that power the GOPs leadership think the Jews taking Israel is part of the requirement for Jesus to come back, so they like Jews....just not here.
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Biden talked, probably making nobody happy: https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1786053574687859056?t=vyMxeu0XZp0ysKSQfbYh5Q&s=19 Nothing really new and lefties mad that Biden's blending the encampments, building takeovers, and violent counter-protests (like at UCLA) all into one blob. Edit: https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1786052305126584650?t=OW56-sghio1qhW-MZLzTag&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 2, 2024 |
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facialimpediment posted:I-95 in Connecticut is closed. Is that an overpass in there?
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Soul Dentist posted:Is that an overpass in there? Well, the char-bequed remains of one at that point. Wouldn't trust that poo poo to hold weight at all after that. Shoutout to the brain genius just chilling on the sidewalk, hanging out 50 feet away from the blazing wall of hellfire erupting from that truck. Certainly wasn't a towering intellect that kept them alive at that moment.
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lightpole posted:What the gently caress else is there to say? If they aren't persuaded then better things aren't possible and we deserve everything we get. boy sure sounds like you should spend your energy trying to get the biden administration to change its ways rather than vote scolding
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If we could redirect all this election chatter to this tread please that would be great: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3946374
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baaaa baaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaa oh sorry the GOAT just put out another banger https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1786070240796799484?t=rtmKXf5I-G3Eap8P7axKhQ&s=19
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joat mon posted:And also as facialimpediment noted, all this "proposed rule, public comment, OIRA, final rule, congress, effective date, "Why can't Biden wave his magic wand"" whining is exactly why Trump was so thankfully less effective than he could have been if he understood how the government worked. It's weird how my post was very short but you somehow didn't bother to read it. Thanks for this useless wall of text! And yes, there were anonymous sources. In an article about this very subject! Nothing has actually changed in the scheduling of pot. Nothing is going to change in the future, because this is just words being said to make people think that Biden is going to do those things. But he doesn't actually want to change anything about pot because that's how he gets money. So this is all just claims of things that are totally really going to happen, and then the football gets pulled, and nothing will fundamentally change. Do you not remember the last time a few years ago when the biden administration did the same thing about pot? There was a whole thing about "hey we're totally talking and doing studies about possibly rescheduling pot" and then it dropped off the face of the earth?
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CainFortea posted:Do you not remember the last time a few years ago when the biden administration did the same thing about pot? There was a whole thing about "hey we're totally talking and doing studies about possibly rescheduling pot" and then it dropped off the face of the earth? ... that's how things are done under federal rescheduling rules. WSJ posted:In October 2022, Biden directed health officials to expedite a review of whether marijuana should remain a Schedule I substance. In August, the Department of Health and Human Services notified DEA that it was recommending marijuana be reclassified. The agency relied on a Food and Drug Administration scientific analysis that found marijuana has an accepted medical use and evidence it can treat certain conditions, including nausea and vomiting. It also cited studies showing “moderate benefit” of smoking marijuana for pain. This poo poo takes a long time. And if you don't take that time, your new regulation gets overturned by the courts. So it's a good thing Biden's going by the book (too slow), because there are already lawsuits coming: politico posted:A public comment period will follow the announcement of the DOJ’s decision on cannabis’ scheduling. Lawsuits challenging the move are also expected. Anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana announced recently they would file a citizens’ petition to have the DOJ move cannabis back into schedule I if they do decide to move it out of that category. So I'm convinced that Things Are Actually Happening. You're not convinced because of sourcing and other factors. All fine, but one of us will be proven right when the federal rule hits the public register in the near future. They're following the same procedures they did with the non-compete clause ban because that's how executive branch regulation making has to run. Edit: in fact, on the non-compete clause stuff, that just went final, it started in... January 2023 FTC posted:In January 2023, the FTC issued a proposed rule which was subject to a 90-day public comment period. The FTC received more than 26,000 comments on the proposed rule, with over 25,000 comments in support of the FTC’s proposed ban on noncompetes. The comments informed the FTC’s final rulemaking process, with the FTC carefully reviewing each comment and making changes to the proposed rule in response to the public’s feedback. poo poo takes forever when Congress won't do it! facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 2, 2024 |
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Would it be accurate to say a huge reason pot isn’t legal yet is lobbying from industries that would be negatively impacted, like why they still make pennies? In WA a few years back when there was voting on letting grocery stores sell liquor there were tv ads from Very Concerned Firefighters about easier access for kids, but for the actual spending it was nearly 100% Costco on one side & the other was beer companies as I guess liquor on the shelves hurts their sales.
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What the gently caress even is reality anymore? I don't know. I guess all that's left is to laugh at this insane asylum we live in, so here, have some lols from another thread.kazil posted:TOO MANY TRUMP LOLS TODAY
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