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The Notorious ZSB posted:Gonna attempt to speak to this, but 0083 doesn't have the best script/plotting so its mostly just going to be excuses. That makes sense, but why does he wait outside of the colony for Kou? It seems like he wants the big dramatic duel to the death, but then when they get hit by the Solar Ray, he leaves. Despite the fact that both suits were still somewhat operational after getting hit by the Ray, so the fight could have continued.
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Caros posted:It also shows undercover athrun in advance to foreshadow him knowing something is up and being there to save Kira. I THINK that bit was supposed to be them training to fight Kira, but it's a real failure of editing if that was the intent. This movie is surprisingly incompetently made on a foundational level. I'm thinking about Athrun saying with afaict no evidence "We can probably assume they can read our minds. And if we assume that it's safe to say they can control our minds as well." I know that because I saw the movie! How do you know that, you weren't there! TheMightyBoops posted:My WTF moment was them having a line of dialogue that Cagalli was getting into the Strike Rouge to help in the final battle and they even show her in the cockpit a few times, but I don’t remember seeing the suit at all. We know she's remote controlling Athrun's Mobile Suit! Does the Strike Rouge have that capability? chrome line fucked around with this message at 21:36 on May 9, 2024 |
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TheMightyBoops posted:My WTF moment was them having a line of dialogue that Cagalli was getting into the Strike Rouge to help in the final battle and they even show her in the cockpit a few times, but I don’t remember seeing the suit at all. She's sitting in it at Orb doing remote control on Athrun's suit so he can beat the mind reading.
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chrome line posted:I THINK that bit was supposed to be them training to fight Kira, but it's a real failure of editing if that was the intent. He assumes that because it’s the only explanation for Kira’s actions. Their whole plan hinged on Kira going past the boundary, so they must’ve had some way to make that happen.
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haypliss posted:She's sitting in it at Orb doing remote control on Athrun's suit so he can beat the mind reading. Oh poo poo. I bet this is what I missed when I had to go to the bathroom.
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Gripweed posted:He assumes that because it’s the only explanation for Kira’s actions. Their whole plan hinged on Kira going past the boundary, so they must’ve had some way to make that happen. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Seed, is mind control a thing that exists in the setting before this? Kira is pretty clear in the moment that he sees Michael and is going after him, if I'm Kira's friend and I see him completely collapsed like he is after all that my assumption is going to be that he wanted to get the guy who's been destroying cities for months and maybe had a nervous breakdown, not that he was magically brainwashed
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chrome line posted:Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Seed, is mind control a thing that exists in the setting before this? Kira is pretty clear in the moment that he sees Michael and is going after him, if I'm Kira's friend and I see him completely collapsed like he is after all that my assumption is going to be that he wanted to get the guy who's been destroying cities for months and maybe had a nervous breakdown, not that he was magically brainwashed Mu is brainwashed into thinking he is a different person through most of Destiny.
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chrome line posted:Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Seed, is mind control a thing that exists in the setting before this? Kira is pretty clear in the moment that he sees Michael and is going after him, if I'm Kira's friend and I see him completely collapsed like he is after all that my assumption is going to be that he wanted to get the guy who's been destroying cities for months and maybe had a nervous breakdown, not that he was magically brainwashed Yes. Various kinds of brainwashing and mind control exist in the setting, especially if you take Astray into account where poo poo Gets Weird.
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ImpAtom posted:Yes. Various kinds of brainwashing and mind control exist in the setting, especially if you take Astray into account where poo poo Gets Weird. The first coordinator being reborn as a wise cracking hologram on a space garbage truck is really funny.
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TheMightyBoops posted:Mu is brainwashed into thinking he is a different person through most of Destiny. I'm did know about that, sorry. I meant like the kind that exists here. Where they just get scary eyes and Kira is suddenly crossing the border. Seems like a leap from what always sounded to me like fairly standard for Gundam Cybernewtype brainwashing, but maybe not. I admittedly haven't seen Destiny and only saw part of Seed, so I'm definitely not an expert. It just seems like a stretch to me!
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chrome line posted:I'm did know about that, sorry. I meant like the kind that exists here. Where they just get scary eyes and Kira is suddenly crossing the border. Seems like a leap from what always sounded to me like fairly standard for Gundam Cybernewtype brainwashing, but maybe not. I admittedly haven't seen Destiny and only saw part of Seed, so I'm definitely not an expert. It just seems like a stretch to me! I like Seed from the standpoint that it’s a soap opera that swings for the fences with ideas and many miss and some hit. I think all bets are off when it comes to what the writers might do. Edit: also there’s like a ton of inter team production drama from Destiny on that I am not aware of but has effected plotting and story.
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chrome line posted:Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Seed, is mind control a thing that exists in the setting before this? Kira is pretty clear in the moment that he sees Michael and is going after him, if I'm Kira's friend and I see him completely collapsed like he is after all that my assumption is going to be that he wanted to get the guy who's been destroying cities for months and maybe had a nervous breakdown, not that he was magically brainwashed I think we can assume that at some point offscreen Kira explained what happened from his point of view, where his vision went all evil red when he suddenly saw the bad guy and started acting super irrationally but then it all stopped as soon as the Foundation were able to spring their scheme. So it’s reasonable to assume that some outside force was loving with Kira’s mind.
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TheMightyBoops posted:My WTF moment was them having a line of dialogue that Cagalli was getting into the Strike Rouge to help in the final battle and they even show her in the cockpit a few times, but I don’t remember seeing the suit at all. After
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Gripweed posted:That makes sense, but why does he wait outside of the colony for Kou? It seems like he wants the big dramatic duel to the death, but then when they get hit by the Solar Ray, he leaves. Despite the fact that both suits were still somewhat operational after getting hit by the Ray, so the fight could have continued. Yeah I dunno. Best I've got is its another example of how hollow both Kou and Gato really are to the point that most of what they do is just them peacocking and once that no longer matters they don't really have much to bother each other about. Kou failed, Gato failed. Neither got to have the end state they were reaching for. Their duel mostly meant nothing, even to them. Both of them fundamentally misvalued themselves as crucial/special/important, when they were both just "a guy" in a lovely war. Maybe the director/writers just didn't want another series to end on a dramatic 1v1 duel when the setting of 0083's message is that's deeply pointless and unnecessary. Except for like every UC war after that where a special kid in a Gundam resolves things in a 1v1 duel. 0083 is thematically weird in UC Gundam, I think it's got some interesting ideas placed at a point where they kinda don't fit or make a lot of sense with the canon story beats around it. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 22:38 on May 9, 2024 |
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Also extremely funny that it's been 20 years since Seed Destiny and ships have been set in stone so they can't rock the boat and Athrun is simultaneously in two unclear relationships with women.
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Eej posted:Also extremely funny that it's been 20 years since Seed Destiny and ships have been set in stone so they can't rock the boat and Athrun is simultaneously in two unclear relationships with women. He has a work wife and a real wife Gripweed posted:I think we can assume that at some point offscreen Kira explained what happened from his point of view, where his vision went all evil red when he suddenly saw the bad guy and started acting super irrationally but then it all stopped as soon as the Foundation were able to spring their scheme. So it’s reasonable to assume that some outside force was loving with Kira’s mind. This movie asks me to assume a lot considering this is the movie that thought I would stop watching if I didn't know the Foundation was evil within a minute of first appearing on screen chrome line fucked around with this message at 22:43 on May 9, 2024 |
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Eej posted:Also extremely funny that it's been 20 years since Seed Destiny and ships have been set in stone so they can't rock the boat and Athrun is simultaneously in two unclear relationships with women. I am pretty sure there's nothing unclear about Athrun's relationship status at this point. More to the point Fukuda said in an interview that Athrun and Meyrin are just co-workers. They share living quarters at one point but "Cagalli would know if anything happened." ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 9, 2024 |
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Athrun has a cool future Ferrari and excellent sunglasses, that’s all there is to understand.
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TheMightyBoops posted:Athrun has a cool future Ferrari and excellent sunglasses, that’s all there is to understand. Are you sure you're not thinking of Alex Dino?
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Athrun and Shinn get to be fun in the movie and kill the living poo poo out of Cosmic Era people and while it's still a hilarious trainwreck that's enough for me to enjoy it.
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ImpAtom posted:Are you sure you're not thinking of Alex Dino? I hope there is more Seed someday. Edit: Another huge WTF moment was them killing off 2 members of the Dom squad within like half a second. Bullshit. TheMightyBoops fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 9, 2024 |
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There aren't even enough major cities left on Earth to write another SEED story.
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Eej posted:There aren't even enough major cities left on Earth to write another SEED story. This hasn't stopped UC stories!
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Still waiting for any character to acknowledge that like half the Plants got nuked to oblivion late in the 4th quarter in Destiny.
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In this movie alone two cities get nuked another is space lasered and an entire fleet gets destroyed. Orb alone remains intact
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Kira! They fired the Requiem II and wiped Sioux Falls off the map! "No! Not the last remaining city in the Western hemisphere! *noise that vaguely sounds like a chicken dying* SEED FREEDOM gets bonus points for not subjecting us to another round of Hoshisou crying, amazingly
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Yeah in the CE timeline you really can’t be reaching back to be sad about stuff that happened in the past, it’s enough work just keeping up with megadeath events as they happen.
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Belgium doesn’t exist anymore, but have you considered that Shin has a cool motorcycle that he parks in his living room?
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After the destruction of the Cosmic Era, they moved everyone into various Earth-country shaped colonies while they rehabbed the Earth, and everyone used their genetically engineered psychic powers to develop special martial arts moves.
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I did laugh at the picnic scene with the Haros rolling around, because they rode a motorcycle there so Lacus had to have actively been like, “Oh Kira, let’s take some of these fuckin things with us”
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Caros posted:The main what the gently caress moment for. Me was a single two second shot of freedom fighting one of the black knights inserted right before their arrival at foundation. Well here's a fun one for you then: that's a flashback to an event that took place six months before the movie that they at one point considered animating as an OVA or short (think Witch of Mercury prologue style) but ended up not actually doing that.
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Seemlar posted:Well here's a fun one for you then: that's a flashback to an event that took place six months before the movie that they at one point considered animating as an OVA or short (think Witch of Mercury prologue style) but ended up not actually doing that. I assumed it was supposed to be a reference to when they talked about the like, "Freedom seizure incident" or whatever but it wasn't even directly connected to that line.
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I'm now convinced SEED Freedom is good (I'm not actually interested in watching it though)
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Why not? Shrek 2 is the best one.
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Runa posted:I'm now convinced SEED Freedom is good You should, it’s very good. And Seed Freedom is worth a watch too. Edit: goddamnit Hammer!
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Holding Out for a Hero > Freedom
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