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Ouhei posted:Am I the only one that thinks the kidney kid is kind of being a lovely brother? The parent's are being assholes about it too, but dude your brother needs a kidney... Looking at it from a high level, yeah. But he's his half-brother and his parents are treating him like an organ bank for the kid that's both of theirs. Particularly since if he's not a match they want him to trade away his organs for one that is compatible.
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Ouhei posted:Am I the only one that thinks the kidney kid is kind of being a lovely brother? The parent's are being assholes about it too, but dude your brother needs a kidney... No, I also think this. Granted, he is in a non-first world country, so I guess I can understand being more afraid of surgery in those conditions Mirthless posted:he doesn't need one, at least, not right now. He's not dying, it's more that he's going to need one at some point in the future. It sounds like he's going to be actively dying without it, so why mince words?
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WampaLord posted:No, I also think this. Granted, he is in a non-first world country, so I guess I can understand being more afraid of surgery in those conditions I edited more into my post but it got cut off, so: quote:Also, given that it's his half brother, I think there's some preferred child poo poo going on here and I think he is right to look out for himself in this situation. Stepdad seems to be the one pushing this and even though Stepdad has been the only dad this guy has ever known they still don't have a good relationship. The whole thing stinks. Basically 1. It's a matter of principle. If his brother isn't dying right now his kidney doesn't need to be on offer. Literally, it can wait. If he is not into it and he is being pressured to do it by somebody who isn't even his biological father there's some kind of gross implications here, mainly, "the mere questionable status of my child's future is worth more than the years you will surely lose when you donate your kidney" 2. The fact that they want him to get into an organ exchange program is incredibly ghoulish, they're essentially bartering his organs for organs for their other child. I think maybe he would be being selfish if it wasn't for that second part but the fact that his family is being so rigid and inflexible about it and the specific circumstances of the family composition... It doesn't look good, at least, not to me. I think he should accept his family's judgement on this and  altogether.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:42
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He implies he's not that close with his brother? Giving up a kidney is pretty serious and I probably wouldn't do it for someone I wasn't close to regardless of how many chromosomes we share. What if later in life, someone he was close to needed a kidney? One of his kids who inherited whatever the condition is? "Brother" means different thing to different people and I don't think it's quite fair to think of your own sibling relationships and apply it to others. Why doesn't the mom or the dad give a kidney or enter a kidney swap program? Why's it gotta be him?
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:He implies he's not that close with his brother? Giving up a kidney is pretty serious and I probably wouldn't do it for someone I wasn't close to regardless of how many chromosomes we share. What if later in life, someone he was close to needed a kidney? One of his kids who inherited whatever the condition is? "Brother" means different thing to different people and I don't think it's quite fair to think of your own sibling relationships and apply it to others. Apparently their kidneys are bad because of "health problems" TBH, I think the real reason is because they want their preferred son to have a young kidney.
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Mirthless posted:Basically I re-read the post again and I honestly still think he's just being overly selfish. His family has provided for him his entire life, they're paying for his tuition, they gave him a car, etc. Yes this is a big ask of him and it sucks that he has to do it, but I think it's time to step up and put on your big boy pants. I think the family's anger at him is pretty understandable, in their eyes, he is killing their other child with his decision. Like look at this quote: quote:I've always been extremely squimish about surgeries and it fills me with a lot of fear and anxiety. I also don't like my country's medical facilities. Also this would mean I'd jeopardize a new part-time job (practically unpaid internishp) that I recently landed, which is my first job in my industry and could turn into a full-time position after I graduate. I don't think I can request time off so quickly, and even if I could I really don't want to because of the other competing interns. These are pretty lame reasons to avoid it.
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"Step-son, we demand you give us your kidney regardless of if it's a match for my REAL son, otherwise we'll abandon you and make you homeless." --A monster "Hm yes but the parents did feed him as a child, so they deserve a kidney or two" --Noted Something Awful poster Wampalord
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Jesus Christ people will white knight anything. It's HIS KIDNEY. He can choose to keep it if he wants to. We can argue forever if it's selfish or not, but at the end of the day it's HIS KIDNEY.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it's nice dude. one of the better ways to spend an afternoon Get a job in the food service industry then everyday can be this fun!
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Danaru posted:"Step-son, we demand you give us your kidney regardless of if it's a match for my REAL son, otherwise we'll abandon you and make you homeless." --A monster "I'm so glad I didn't bother giving him that kidney" - OP's thoughts as he watches his brother be lowered into the ground, "after all, hospitals are scary!"
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Mar 28, 2017 16:08
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No one is obligated to die for you; no matter what they may have done for you in the past or could do for you in the future, bodily autonomy is sacrosanct. It isn't selfish to decide "no, I do not want to be put in an early grave for this person" regardless of who that person is. It's his decision and they should respect that.
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Bubblyblubber posted:The sitcoms are becoming alive! Our sons eye was a homophobic racist in a past life. It had to be done.
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WampaLord posted:I re-read the post again and I honestly still think he's just being overly selfish. His family has provided for him his entire life, they're paying for his tuition, they gave him a car, etc. Yes this is a big ask of him and it sucks that he has to do it, but I think it's time to step up and put on your big boy pants. Yeah, while I think the family is being pushy and insensitive to the gravity of what they're asking, I'd be pretty loving angry with my son if he wouldn't even check to see if he was compatible as a donor to save his brother's life. Keep in mind this isn't some half brother that he barely knows, he grew up with him and the brother's father is the only father he's ever known, that guy is his father in every measure that really matters. The organ swap thing is definitely weird and I've never heard of it before, but my guess is the parents are open to any avenue that saves their kids life.
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WampaLord posted:I re-read the post again and I honestly still think he's just being overly selfish. His family has provided for him his entire life, they're paying for his tuition, they gave him a car, etc. Yes this is a big ask of him and it sucks that he has to do it, but I think it's time to step up and put on your big boy pants. "I have paid for you, now risk death and permanent injury for MY progeny!" lol, good lord, dude, are you an only child or something? Ouhei posted:that guy is his father in every measure that really matters. except for the part where he's threatening the child who is not his son with homelessness and worse (complete ostracization from the extended family) if he does not give up an organ, ten years of his life, and risk possible death before he's 40 for the sake of the child who is his son Mirthless fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 16:10
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It's pretty obvious the younger brother is the Golden Child, so OP should just pack his bags anyway.
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Dialysis isn't a death sentence like that, there are people who do it for decades. It sucks of course but surely that buys them time to coerce someone else instead of the brother, with money this time. (I don't know if organ selling is legal in their country but it is in some others. It's certainly a dicey ethical issue but...threatening your other kid with homelessness over the issue is more so and if we're simply choosing one vs the other, it's a wash to me.)
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Mar 28, 2017 16:11
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TheScott2K posted:It's pretty obvious the younger brother is the Golden Child, so OP should just pack his bags anyway. ^^^ Time for OP to go. I think the worst possible thing he could do is donate his kidney, because lol, there's no way the preferential treatment is going to stop with an organ donation and I guarantee you that any attempt he makes to milk the favor he did will be thrown in his face as selfish grandstanding
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:What kind of moron tells his girlfriend that her boobs are "icky" like a literal 12 year old? What kind of moron says anything strongly negative about his girlfriend's appearance? What kind of moron dates someone for 2 years who he isn't attracted to? What kind of moron acts like this at goddamn 25 years old? probably the same kind of moron that believes everything written in a r/relat post
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whoops turns out junior here's got a bum ticker too, ain't that just a poo in the pudding, welp kiddo nice knowin' ya but it's time for the scrapyard
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Mirthless posted:^^^
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WampaLord posted:I re-read the post again and I honestly still think he's just being overly selfish. His family has provided for him his entire life, they're paying for his tuition, they gave him a car, etc. Yes this is a big ask of him and it sucks that he has to do it, but I think it's time to step up and put on your big boy pants. If you don't want to do these things then don't have a child. My body my choice applies to organ removal as well.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:whoops turns out junior here's got a bum ticker too, ain't that just a poo in the pudding, welp kiddo nice knowin' ya but it's time for the scrapyard I don't know man they've paid for so many of his bills and possessions don't you think he kind of owes his brother a heart? btw: quote:Also this would mean I'd jeopardize a new part-time job (practically unpaid internishp) that I recently landed, which is my first job in my industry and could turn into a full-time position after I graduate. I don't think I can request time off so quickly, and even if I could I really don't want to because of the other competing interns. seems like a pretty good reason to refuse an, at this point, more or less optional kidney donation. There's no way this guy is going back to work right after a major surgery like that and lol if you think they care enough about an intern's health to not fire them for taking time off to recover from surgery. His future career is more important than his brother's short term comfort and free time. Dialysis will keep him alive for now and if it gets bad and no organ has materialized his family will have the right to apply a little pressure. If he's not in dire need then this is likely more about assuaging the concerns of his family and you shouldn't have to give up an organ (and your own future) to make your parents feel better about the future of a sibling. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:whoops turns out junior here's got a bum ticker too, ain't that just a poo in the pudding, welp kiddo nice knowin' ya but it's time for the scrapyard Always good to have a backup kid for spare parts.
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What's the point in having kids if you can't treat their organs like they're a bin of lego?
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Y'all ever see that movie My Sister's Keeper? Kinda reminds me of that.
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gee shucks Dad was all set to make liver and onions for Sunday dinner but the butcher is fresh out! What to do? What... to... do *all eyes turn to the bandaged shape at the end of the dinner table*
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Mirthless posted:seems like a pretty good reason to refuse an, at this point, more or less optional kidney donation. I didn't realize you were a doctor, Mirthless.
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It's like Clonus but he wasn't born in a lab for the specific purpose of organ donationWampaLord posted:I didn't realize you were a doctor, Mirthless. I know you can read WampaLord, he said in the post that his brother wasn't dying and as others have pointed out, kidney failure takes a long time
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WampaLord posted:"I'm so glad I didn't bother giving him that kidney" - OP's thoughts as he watches his brother be lowered into the ground, "after all, hospitals are scary!" Are you anti-abortion as well? Just checking your consistency on bodily autonomy.
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WampaLord posted:I didn't realize you were a doctor, Mirthless. Seriously man this is such a stupid hill to die on even Mirthless is making fun of you
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What are the odds of a half-brother being a good donor choice anyway? Pretty slim.
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I get the feeling WampaLord thinks bum kidneys are like an appendix and they can burst in an instant Like some kind of emergency kidney situation will come up and the doctor will dramatically throw his clipboard to the floor and turn to the brother and say "If only you'd donated your kidney in advance, we could have avoided all of this! I can't save him! He's... doomed! The cause of death: Bad Brothering!"
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Mirthless posted:I get the feeling WampaLord thinks bum kidneys are like an appendix and they can burst in an instant I think you're missing that the dude is not even letting himself get tested. In no way am I saying the dude is literally obligated to give up a kidney if he truly doesn't want to, but maybe he should want to. It's his brother.
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Gorilla Salad posted:What are the odds of a half-brother being a good donor choice anyway? Pretty slim. Yeah, well, there's the rub... WampaLord posted:I think you're missing that the dude is not even letting himself get tested. He's not letting himself get tested because his family plans to use the information from the test to put his kidney on the loving open market! quote:My half-brother needs a kidney transplant and my family is pressuring me to do some tests and be the donor, or sign up for some trading waitlist if I'm not compatible (i.e. i give my kidney to a stranger and my brother receives one from a stranger, that's the way mom explained). We don't have other relatives or friends who would be willing to do this. Neither of my parents are elegible to donate because of health issues. We don't live in the USA. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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WampaLord how many of your own organs have you selfishly kept for yourself
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Someone accused me of being an only child, and I am, but how many of you are as well? Cause I've never had a brother, but generally don't most people love their brothers? E:
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Mirthless posted:"I have paid for you, now risk death and permanent injury for MY progeny!" We're ascribing a lot of "golden child" poo poo to the parents based on not a whole lot. This is all he says about how his step-father treats him: quote:We're from different fathers, and I always felt like he was the favorite. I'm from a previous marriage, and I always felt like my existence caused my step-dad some jealousy. He never said anything mean, or did anything bad, so maybe I've been reading into it, or maybe I'm paranoid or insecure. I've never met my biodad and have been with my step dad since I can remember, so to me he's just dad. Again, I am not saying that this kid HAS to give his kidney to his brother, but it's also entirely reasonable that his parents would be very upset that he is unwilling to do anything to potentially save his brothers life. I think they're going overboard for sure, but to expect that his parents would just be like "ok, just figured we'd ask" is loving stupid too.
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WampaLord posted:Someone accused me of being an only child, and I am, but how many of you are as well? You don't know what it's like to be the less preferred or preferred sibling so you really don't have the perspective to understand why this situation is hosed up on an unbelievable number of levels At multiple points in his post he wrote and implied he suspected his stepdad didn't like him because he came from another dude and that he was the less preferred child.
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WampaLord posted:Someone accused me of being an only child, and I am, but how many of you are as well? I'm not an only child and I love my sister but even then I'm not 100% sure I'd be willing to give her my kidney hth
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No one is under any obligation to donate their organs, and if anyone came at me and tried to guilt me into it when I didn't naturally arrive at the decision myself I'd tell them to go gently caress themselves.
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