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The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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The thing I never understand about conservative literalist Christians reacting to things like this is--wouldn't the End Times be a good thing? Sure, there'll be some crap to deal with first, but then Jesus comes back and everything is great if you're a Christian! Like "If gay marriage/implanted microchips/etc. represents the government becoming a corrupt and anti-Christian entity, and that's a sign of the End Times, and the End Times come before the Second Coming--don't you want the government to move in that direction? Why wouldn't you support gay marriage, and just not get gay married yourself? You'd get to watch the heathen world burn at your righteous feet while you party with Jesus!"

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The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Whenever I see that "Only 1 2 5 defining forces have offered to die for you" crap, I respond with a link to this religious blog entry that very soundly and definitively asks why the hell these people are comparing soldiers with Jesus Christ: http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/17/this-is-the-son-of-god-these-are-men-in-uniform-don%E2%80%99t-confuse-the-two/. Among other things, the blog points out that plenty of people are ready to die for you:

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If I were ever trapped in a burning building or under an earthquake-flattened one, or were caught in a flood, or fell over a ledge while hiking, I am 100% certain that there are men and women in my community who would offer to give their lives in the attempt to save mine. I worked for the Clark County [Nev.] Fire Department for a couple of years — it’s the only job I’ve ever had where my starry-eyed admiration for heroes grew stronger instead of fading through familiarity. Those men (they were all men in the ’70s) would help a stranger with no questions asked, at the risk of their own lives. That’s what I think of whenever I hear a siren in the distance: Someone is in trouble, and someone else is rushing to help.

The epidemiologists who lock themselves into sealed rooms with deadly viruses and toxins in the quest to understand and conquer them are offering to die for me. The storm chasers and volcanologists who deliberately head into the most dangerous spots on earth in the pursuit of knowledge that will protect future generations are offering to die for me. The drug enforcement agents who investigate reports of marijuana fields in our national parks are offering to die for me. The highway patrolman who stands unprotected next to speeding traffic while he checks out a suspected drunk driver is offering to die for me.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Dr Christmas posted:

It's fine to not like Obama, but the petty destruction that the Republicans have been causing in their 3-year hissy fit is utterly inexcusable.
Seriously. A lot of people didn't like GWB, but it's not like the Democrats in Congress completely held poo poo up for 8 years, to the point of shutting the country down and otherwise utterly failing to do their jobs in some form of rear end-backward appeal to their base.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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As someone in our very own D&D once posted: "Obama didn't kill Osama bin Laden the same way bin Laden didn't fly airplanes into the World Trade Center."

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Rycon_Payne posted:


This is the latest thing going around that I see. Posted by my uncle, responded to by my father and my brother-in-law. They are having a knee slapping time over it. Coupled with this text:

Seems to have exploded on republican blogs today.
Umm, law reviews (like other student publications) don't have presidents, they have editors. Nobody talks about the "president" of the New York Times or Rolling Stone.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Arglebargle III posted:

What is the Commercial Code anyway? Is that a real thing or is it outside of the actual U.S. and state legal code?
It's basically a set of non-binding legal guidelines for states to follow on issues of contracts and commerce. In Ye Olden Days, we just followed British common law; then some states changed some things, and others did fancy things, and then the laws were all over the place. So there have been a couple of movements to try and reform/unify state laws (Model Penal Code, Uniform Commercial Code) but they're only binding if states actually write the guidelines into law. Some states follow these, some don't.

So it's kind of like citing HTML 5 white papers as authority for the Interwebz to be free from censorship.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Bruce Leroy posted:

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Oh, there's hilarity with that too. A lot of American Christians claim that "the Eye of the Needle" is actually a reference to an extremely narrow and low gate to the city of Jerusalem. As legend had it, the only way a camel laden with goods and riches could pass through the eye of the needle was to get on its knees. So you see, it's fine to be rich and enter the Kingdom of God as long as you're penitent!

2 problems:

1. Camels can get on their knees, but then they can't actually move forward. Especially if they're carrying something.
2. There was never a tiny, poorly-built gate called "the Eye of the Needle" in the city wall at Jerusalem.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Only if you're white, because those illegals get a free pass!

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Hey, I finally have one of these. Somebody on Facebook asked what was wrong with requiring photo ID to vote. His wife also got in on it. Don't have a paint program to obscure names so I'll just do text:

Me: The problem is that it's a pain to get a state-issued ID if you're old, broke, don't have a car, live in the middle of nowhere and/or can't get to a DMV during business hours. I've got no problem with requiring some form of ID (utility bill, birth cert, social security card, etc) but government issued photo ID can be tough for very old and very young folks to get in some places.

Guy: If you can't make it to the DMV because you are old and broke, how will you get to a voting booth?

Me: Voting booths are usually closer than the DMV. Also Volunteers from whichever political party. Whether Democrat or Republican, if you call up your favorite candidate and say, "Hey, I want to vote for you but I'll have trouble getting to the polls," they'd better be willing to help. But I don't know if any campaign has the resources to take folks on multiple trips for ID gathering AND voting.

Guy's Wife: Yes, and I suppose it's difficult to find a job when you're all those things too, so I guess it's only right to make it easier for them by providing financial support from the government (the taxpayers don't support them... the taxpayers don't do anything... the government does it, you know, like building roads). You don't want to make it too difficult for people to do anything... that would be cruel and unusual punishment, because the fact that you breath makes you entitled to everything everyone else has, even if you aren't willing to work for it. You may think I have gone off on a tangent, but IT'S THE SAME MENTALITY!!

Me: Hey, didn't say anything about all that. I live in a rural county full of conservative farmers who vote differently than I do, but I don't want any of them to miss on voting because their truck is broken or something.

Guy's Wife:
If their truck is broken they can't get there anyway. It's called self-reliance and personal responsibility. Being prepared is the key here. If people are not able to, in a four year time span, save the money for a state ID (In most states it's free or under $15; less if you're a senior) then I suppose those same people require help pulling down their pants before they take a dump! C'mon, I'm sure they don't even care, it's the socialist politicians who are just looking for more votes from people already being supported by the government (hmm... I wonder who they're going to vote for?) It's just a ploy to get more votes. Politicians could care less about what is good for them, they're only in it for themselves and will say and do anything to stay exactly where they are. Republican/Democrat... they're all tainted politicians!!

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Wow, seriously? She's an active Mormon, and I'm tempted to ask, "So hey, if someone in your area dies and the women's auxiliary leader asks you to help the family out by cooking a meal for them while they get the funeral arrangements together, do you say, 'gently caress you, you should have enough food in your pantry. It's called self-reliance and personal responsibility. Being prepared is the key here.'?"

Edit: And yes, I'm white knighting for democracy and everything, but you can sure as gently caress bet I'd rather see my candidates/issues lose than see them win because the people who opposed them wanted to vote but were disenfranchised by stupid poo poo.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Crackbone posted:

It would be like saying you're going to stop buying your kid's asthma medications and grandma's nursing home bill so you can pay off your home loan more quickly.
A surprising amount of people would be okay with that reasoning. I personally know people that continued living in an apartment instead of buying a house (with a mortgage payment that would've been less than the rent, plus the tax benefits) because "living in debt is bad." I know others who chose not to pursue college or graduate education for the same reason--which is fine if you're turning down a Big Expensive School for a lesser-known school that gives you a scholarship, but not if you're dooming yourself to a life as a checkout bagger with just a high school degree.

And people undercapitalize their businesses all the time--it's why there are Small Business Administration loans available. (See also: "I built this myself, and debt is bad for US AMERICANs, but my SBA loan doesn't count.")

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Hey, I finally got the last word in on something. (I'm in green.) Ignoring the fact that the Constitution does, in fact, assign powers of taxation to the government.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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True, but that means that the missing next panel of the comic is Obama saying, "Good thing we were able to amend the thing later on, huh? Otherwise the Federal government would've fallen apart once it quit selling land to generate revenue."

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:

Another thing I saw shared from "Being a liberal means being a hypocrite." I take personal offense, because I have a big crush on Sandra Fluke.


I respond:
According to this graphic, that lady on the left (Mia Love) married two kids. That's polygamy, possibly statutory rape was involved, and it's all pretty disgusting if you ask me. (Why do these things so often have terrible text layout?)

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Bruce Leroy posted:

Actually, the federal government had the power to tax prior to the 16th Amendment, even income taxes.
Thanks. I knew it had tax powers (which was one reason they'd chucked out the Articles of Confederation), but I actually didn't realize that extended to income tax.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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ZobarStyl posted:

I saw a similar picture-forward about how Mitt is such a good person for giving away his inheritance/not being paid for the Olympics or the MA governorship.


He was a Mormon stake president, not a state president. :eng101: Though it's kind of adorable seeing conservatives finally try to hold their noses and embrace Mitt's Mormonism, even if they ignore certain things or just plain get them wrong.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Bombadilillo posted:

I wouldnt/dont have a problem with his draft dodging, if I hadnt seen that rear end in a top hat counter protesting the hippies.
This. Mormon men are expected to serve missions, I don't begrudge him doing the orthodox thing and going. Avoiding the draft was a convenient side effect of this. But to combine that with being a snarky rear end in a top hat about the issue, that's totally awesome.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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The "lipid hypothesis"? Is that like the "theory of evolution," I'm guessing?

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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ThePeteEffect posted:

I had to copy the "I will not cheat" paragraph in cursive for the GRE. It was the most stressful part of that test.
I wrote that in regular manuscript and they still counted my test scores. :ssh:

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Bruce Leroy posted:

That's retarded. I'm pretty sure that if you get to the point of taking the GRE you probably know that cheating is wrong and it would be sufficient to simply give your signature after reading a disclaimer prohibiting cheating of various types. Honestly, I've never cheated but I'd almost want to try if they were dicks and made me copy that bullshit in cursive before I had to take an exam with two essays like that.
It's for handwriting recognition if there's an inquiry--if you took the test for someone else (or vice versa) and they compare samples of your writing, it gives them more evidence.

And you still don't have to write it in cursive.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Anubis posted:

It's as bad of an argument as the idiotic, "all legislation should be less than X pages!" argument. It completely ignores the reality of dealing with 200+ years of legal language and "plain text" being an easy mark for lawsuits and loopholes.

It's a simple Pollyanna black and white worldview that would be completely wrecked on it's first casual meeting with reality.
Not just that, but anyone who complains about the length of a statute hasn't actually read one. They're double-spaced, have huge margins, and have even more white space around section headings. That's not to see they can't be long or dense, but a "500 page law!111!! :bahgawd:" is a lot less reading than it sounds.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Not only offensive to gays--as a man and a father, I'm completely incapable of comforting my kid? Only my wife can do that? :rolleyes:

At least it's good to see that gay marriage opponents are firmly rooted in outdated gender roles and not confining their idiocy to a single issue.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Saw this gem on Facebook:

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This is the great battle we are in right now. [Former Mormon Church president] President Benson expresses it so plainly ... to “awake to your awful situation” found in [Mormon scriptures] Ether 8:24 and further in verse 25:
Ether 8:25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people…

I believe Obama is going to be a super rock star again around 2015 because of the huge amounts of oil that is being found in America at this time. In Obama’s speech after he knew he had been re-elected as our President he talked about us becoming “energy independent” and that’s because he knows our economy is going to be given a huge boost from all the oil that is being found. But there will be a price for us all to pay as I think he will be either re-elected for a third term (as was FDR) or he will run Michelle as the next President and people will overwhelmingly vote them in again. But our freedoms will be further lessened as this secret (not so secret anymore) force continues to erode the Constitution of the United States. WAKE UP! Don’t study the main stream news media – they’re in on it – they’re the servants of this secret society. Study the scriptures and what the prophets have warned in the past – (I haven’t heard them speak of this for some time and so it is my opinion that it may be too dangerous for them to speak of it now, but plenty has been said in the past).
I replied, "But he can't be elected for a third term unless he repeals the 22nd Amendment, which would be nigh on impossible. I suppose Michelle could run in 2016, though." Let's see if she flips and talks about how ACORN can make any constitutional amendment get approved by 3/4 of the states.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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The Macaroni posted:

Saw this gem on Facebook:
I replied, "But he can't be elected for a third term unless he repeals the 22nd Amendment, which would be nigh on impossible. I suppose Michelle could run in 2016, though." Let's see if she flips and talks about how ACORN can make any constitutional amendment get approved by 3/4 of the states.
Update: she replied, "But FDR was elected for a third term!" Which, uh, was what led to the ratification of the 22nd Amendment, if I recall from high school. :doh:

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Axetrain posted:

He was actually elected 4 times.
Right, thanks for the extra info. Forgot that it was FDR's zombie 4th term that made people concerned about the president sticking around too long.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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I purposely buy Eid stamps every year because I think it's wonderful to celebrate diversity and I support the USPS in their efforts to do just that.

Also the prospect of loving with people's minds is a bonus.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Breadallelogram posted:

2) Only in America could people claim that the government still
discriminates against black Americans when they have a black
President, a black Attorney General, and roughly 18% of the
federal workforce is black while only 12% of the population is
black.
Even assuming this number is accurate, it's shocking that major Federal infrastructure in the DC and Baltimore metro areas would reflect the local demographics (which include a higher percentage of African Americans than many other parts of the US), and twice as shocking that those employment areas might impact the overall numbers of Federal employment statistics.

NUMBERS. :bahgawd:

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Trivia posted:

^ And that is why I always hear flight attendants bitch about certain races. I make sure to point out that hating them for what they are is pretty racist, as opposed to hating them for what they did.
I have to explain that a lot to my relatives. When I bitch about rude people in DC, they always assume that I'm complaining about black people in DC. I take pains to point out that people of all colors are pretty equally nasty in DC, and I'm complaining about their boorish behavior, not who they are.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Dr Christmas posted:

Is that rule an internal union thing or is it a law?
It's law and Federal (and usually state-level) election regulation. I used to help run a PAC for a health care workers' membership association, and we were under the same restrictions. Drove our members crazy when I told them that PAC contributions weren't tax deductible, because they were used for political contributions and not charitable or employment-related ones.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Well, just off the top of my head: Virginia has had extremely forgiving gun laws, and they had a little problem back in 2007.

Edit: Looks like they've tightened up the laws a bit since then.

The Macaroni fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 25, 2012

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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andrew smash posted:

It's actually true? Obviously the secret service would be concerned and vigilant regarding poisoning attempts but I figured they just had ironclad chain of custody over his food.
Great article about procedure when the First Family goes to a restaurant:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-03-15/lifestyle/35261330_1_restaurant-manager-potus-flotus/2

quote:

In the kitchen, there’s close scrutiny but no official tasting.

“There was one Secret Service agent in a black suit assigned to me, like my shadow,” says Scott Drewno, executive chef at the Source. “He watched everything I cooked for them. He was also a chef, so he knew his way around a kitchen.” The chef/agent expressed culinary interest in the food but declined offers to eat anything, Drewno says.

Edit: I would love to be the Secret Service Culinary Agent.

The Macaroni fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 20, 2013

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Saw the below posted on FB today. So tempted to post back and say, "Okay, we spent $50 billion on foreign aid in 2011. So let's put $50 billion back in the budget, and let's go ahead and cut off visas for legal immigrants. Shucks, let's assume we can block all illegal immigrants and triple the cost of all our food, but ignore that for a sec. Are you really telling me that not only will we have enough money now to take care of the social ills you mentioned--but you'll also drop your teaparty bootstraps bullshit instead of asking WHY ARE MY TAX DOLLARS FEEDING LAZY HOMELESS AND CRAZIES?"

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The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Guilty Spork posted:

There's apparently a serious problem with hardcore evangelicals in the military coercing and harassing people who don't share their very specific flavor of Christianity, and if anything the military is overdue to actually do something about it.
Yeah, stuff like this has happened: U.S. Soldiers Punished for Not Attending Christian Concert

Not Christian? Too bad. Catholic, Mormon, Lutheran, or some other non-Evangelical flavor of Christianity? Too bad. Don't like crappy Christian rock? Too bad, go to the concert or spend the night locked down in your barracks.

quote:

... nine of [the soldiers punished] chose to pursue an EO complaint. I was surprised to find out that a couple of the most offended soldiers were actually Christian themselves (Catholic). One of them was grown [sic] as a child in Cuba and this incident enraged him particularly as it brought memories of oppression.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Come to think of it, my wife was a Muslim candy striper while in college. (She did not, in fact, wear candy stripes.)

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Tibeerius posted:

Their "star witness" could only muster mild outrage over an F-16 not being magically scrambled to buzz the consulate (seriously, WTF would that even do?!), and over the delayed deployment of an ill-equipped "Special Forces" team that could hope to do little more than secure the Benghazi airport.
Yeah, been hearing a lot about the ELITE SPECIAL FORCES that could have been flown in (four soldiers in Tripoli, who wouldn't have been able to do much in Benghazi, and couldn't possibly have been needed on duty in Tripoli in case additional attacks happened there).

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Back in October, I had a nasty FB argument with a guy and his wife about Voter ID. They both insisted that real Americans who want to engage in democracy would find a way to get photo ID, even if they're elderly, sick, disabled, living in rural areas with no easy access to acquire ID, and/or poor.

I challenged him to volunteer for a local political campaign's get out the vote effort. "Shucks, Republican candidates will be hurt by this too!" I said. "Call up Mia Love's campaign and offer to drive people to the polls on Election Day, or help people get registered. Put your money where your mouth is!" Pretty sure he blew me off.

I don't know why it just occurred to me today, but guess which Republican candidate lost by less than 2% of the vote? :haw: I'd like to think a whole bunch of people in that district were like, "All the other redblooded USAmerican Republicans will find a way to the polls, so I don't need to worry about this!"

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent#Pre-Islamic_and_Islamic_uses

Wikipedia posted:

Though the crescent was originally a secular symbol of authority for Muslim rulers, it is now often used to symbolize the Islamic faith. However, the crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad or any other early Muslim rulers, as the Islamic religion is, in fact, against appointing "holy symbols" (so that during the early centuries of Islam, Muslim authorities simply didn't want any geometric symbols to be used to symbolize Islam, in the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity, the menorah was a commonly occurring symbol of Judaism, etc.). This is why early Islamic coins were covered with Arabic writing, but contained no visual symbols.

Also saying that Allah is a moon god is like saying that the Christian deity is Hispanic because his name is Jesus.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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VideoTapir posted:

Maybe start by listing good things about the south. Things you can both agree on. Then ask how many of those things were things that the Confederacy was founded for or were factors in the Civil War. (It'll probably be zero.)
This. One of the most delightful, wonderful people I know is a proud South Carolinian, and she'll be the first to tell you about how the weather, landscape, architecture, food, and culture of her state are better than anywhere else. She'll also be the first to tell you how that pride has nothing to do with the Confederacy or its apologists.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Mitchicon posted:

I rarely ever debate an instructor because I don't like holding a class up, but then he used an excuse that the minimum wage was counterproductive because retired people and more qualified individuals would "flood the market" and deny the jobs to the poor. His example of a more qualified individual was himself, stating that McDonald's would take him with his PhD over a poor single mother for a minimum wage job. :wtc:
Ahahaha. Ask me about my first couple of jobs and falsifying my credentials--deliberately omitting my Master's degree and other work--because I wasn't getting any callbacks for being "overqualified." (Note: while I deliberately left stuff off my resume, I immediately cleared things up when/if I got interviews.) I just wanted to get some experience (and pay the rent), but apparently I was not expected to apply for any job but my perfect match position on the Starship Enterprise as a Medieval Poetry Education Officer.

I followed up with one employer who said, "Well, we didn't want to hire you because we figured you'd be bored and bring a bad attitude to the job." :suicide: Hilariously, that employer hired internally for that position and spent two years waiting for the person to finish a project I could've done in six months. But I bet she wasn't bored!

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Nice Davis posted:

No, it's true! Because the municipal government department I work for doesn't literally sell a product or service for money, we clearly add no value to the economy and are thus unworthy of a single cent. I just wish I knew how to quit this sweet sweet taxpayer dole.
Recent conversation my wife had with a random person at the park.

Random Person: The economy is going to hell in a handbasket.
Wife: Uh, yeah.
Random Person: And government workers are the worst contributors to it. They just take and take and do nothing for other people.
Wife: Yes indeed. Look at the time, gotta go! [spends entire workweek as government attorney, ensuring that developers of military hardware get properly compensated for their work]

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The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
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Yeah I've seen a lot of TRAYVON HAD THC IN HIS SYSTEM!!! posts, and I think to myself, "If pot made a person violent, my college graduating class would have had about 100 people left of the original 1500."

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