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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

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Kynetx posted:

Yeah, but art isn't life. Everything has intent in art.
What if the intent is to show that despite all his crazy ability, Kvothe can overlook stuff like that, just like a regular guy?

"Everything has intent" is all well and good, but sometimes humanizing touches are just humanizing touches, and unless he comes out and spells it out for us, speculating on Rothfuss' intent doesn't do much good.

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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

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Do we have anything even approaching an estimate of a guess for the release date of Doors of Stone? I know that Rothfuss writes (or his editor edits) at about the same pace as GRRM, but I'm really excited for the conclusion to the trilogy.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Above Our Own posted:

He's like what, 13th in the line of succession? When the wealth and power of a kingship are up for grabs people don't sit by and let protocol determine the new king in any universe remotely resembling our own. At the slightest hint of an unclear succession they wage war, form complicated networks of alliance, and assassinate rival claimants. The shenanigans of succession struggles are well known to history (and consequently fantasy tropes).

Well, the first and second books in the series seemed to revel in subverting various tropes...maybe Ambrose will become king because the current king and the entire royal family die in a boating accident, and the 4th cousin twice removed chokes on his dinner.

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Sep 13, 2007

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pentyne posted:

I blame GRRM for making people think it's acceptable or reasonable for a 700-800 page novel to take more then a year or 2 to write.

Not everyone writes at the same speed, and to paraphrase Neil Gaiman, authors don't exist solely to funnel you the content you want at the rate you want it. If someone wants to take 7 years to write a novel, let them. It's their book, not yours.

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Sep 13, 2007

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I personally feel that there's a bit of a difference between expressing frustration at a delay or particularly long wait, and more or less calling out a particular author for being "too slow".

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Sep 13, 2007

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Mr. Unlucky posted:

If this fucker ruins Torment I will make him choke on that disgusting neckbeard.

How in the world would he ruin the new Torment game? He's one writer among many, and presumably not in charge of the "main" thrust of the content of the game.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Srice posted:

The fact that the students stood up and applauded him after he taught the lecturer's class was....definitely something, that's for sure.

Given that the professor he upstaged was a huge jerk that nobody liked anyway, it makes sense. If it had been a random nobody, it would have been awkward, but Rothfuss went out of his way to establish Hemme as a jackass.

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Sep 13, 2007

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I dunno, I thought it was a good way for Kvothe to adequately 'prove' to the University that he had received a bunch of basic sympathy training from Abenthy. He was literally about to sit in a class that was covering something he had already learned, and being given the opportunity to display his knowledge and "test out" of the class seems appropriate to me.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Hemme gave Kvothe enough rope to hang himself with and Kvothe instead hung Hemme. I'm pretty sure that Hemme knew more about sympathy than Kvothe did; Kvothe wasn't teaching Hemme or being more knowledgeable than Hemme. He merely used the knowledge he had to avoid a social trap Hemme had laid for him.

Had Hemme just said "shut up and sit down" and stuck to it, the scene wouldn't have played out as it did. Instead Hemme himself said "Oh, you're so smart? Fine, show me" expecting Kvothe to make a fool of himself.

I'm really not sure what strains credulity about the scene at all.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Grogsy posted:

That just that day, accidentally, Hemme wasn't wearing his gram. I mean don't they wear them all the time after they graduate?

Do the arcanum guilders function as a gram?

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Sep 13, 2007

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Sounds good to me...call me squeamish if you want, but having a rapist as the protagonist might sour me on a book...

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Sep 13, 2007

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along the way posted:

So, I'm almost done with TNotW and I noticed a second book in the series is out. Is it comparable to the first?

The storytelling is right about the same, as is the worldbuilding. There are a couple parts that seem to be really polarizing, but overall I find it just as good as the first.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Ithaqua posted:

You forgot "Obsess over Denna".

That particular bullet point is the one those other 6 all tuck in under.

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Sep 13, 2007

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I seem to remember a blog post by Rothfuss saying something to the effect of "well I had an outline written, and a lot of the early stuff written, but I've had to do lots of rewrites and fleshing out since the original draft was from my college days"

Basically 'I had it all written' wasn't a lie, just an exaggeration.

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Sep 13, 2007

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WastedJoker posted:

That was either the whipping or the arrow stopper?

It was the whipping. They thought about calling the arrowcatch the Bloodless though.

We also have heard why people starting calling him Kvothe the Arcane over in in Imre.

About the only big things we haven't heard about yet is the King Killing, and the Princess from the barrow.

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Sep 13, 2007

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I dunno...I'm pretty excited to revisit the world Rothfuss has made. His worldbuilding, especially the University stuff, is pretty top notch. I love the magic system he's created, and it looks like this novella will delve into the more arcane side of it.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Above Our Own posted:

I think the irritating part of the narration is that we're constantly told Kvothe is a brilliant genius but he never once does anything that really sticks out as clever besides rolling a perfect 20 on all his skill checks.

The triple binding to defeat the draccus at Trebon was pretty cleverly done.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Sadly, all of the coins other than solo drabs are already sold out :(

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Sep 13, 2007

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Solice Kirsk posted:

Well that's my point. He stabbed some dead dude to kill other living dudes. Why would you ever need one specific person's blood, hair, fingernails, pee, etc. if you can just use some other person's stuff and bind it to anyone else. I must be missing something, but I thought they pretty much said you need a specific person's fluids to malfeasance the hell out of them.

Eh, what ever. I don't really care.

Well, he had line of sight on the other dudes he was trying to kill, plus the corpse he was using was one of their group, presumably wearing the same uniform etc. You wouldn't get a perfect link out of it, but it was probably way better than using some random cadaver.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Has anyone sussed out the calendar for the Rothfuss' world? I finally put together that there's 11 days to a span, but past that I'm a little hazy.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Sagnid posted:

The wiki covers the calendar fairly well.

http://kingkiller.wikia.com/wiki/Span

And so it does. I didn't even think to look for a wiki for a two book series.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Even after Kvothe starts making money, it's not until much later where he has any insulation from financial catastrophe. Whenever admissions come up, he has to scrimp and save to pay them. He even says once that any financial crisis would utterly ruin him. Yeah, he makes a subsistence wage doing piece-work at the fishery and playing at Ankers and the Eolian, but while he's not completely destitute, he is by no means rich.

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Sep 13, 2007

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But Kvothe really did already know the content of the class; Abenthy had taught him all that stuff already. And Kvothe was a stage performer; there's every reason to expect that he really could get up and give a short lecture over a topic he was very familiar with.

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Sep 13, 2007

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I don't have my copy of the book on hand, but I highly doubt that the Felurian portion was "hundreds" of pages long.

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Sep 13, 2007

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So I just bought the Kindle version of Slow Regard...I think people were seriously over-reacting about the "You may not want to buy this book" thing. Yeah, if you read that first line in a vacuum, it sounds weird, but that whole preface is just saying "1. You'll want to read NotW and WMF first, 2. This book is not a continuation of Kvothe's story, 3. This is not a traditional story"

I think Rothfuss deserves a bunch of praise for this; letting people know exactly what to expect and what not to in the introduction, rather than letting people get burned buying something that turns out to be not what they wanted.

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Sep 13, 2007

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BananaNutkins posted:

The Slow Regard of Silent Things is Rothfuss' third stand-alone release, after smash hit The Name of the Wind (tight prose, decent story, bit of a mary sue protag), and its follow up Wise Man's Fear(so-so prose, terrible story, full blown mary sue protag), which also sold like gangbusters.

It is easily the worst thing I have ever read.

I'm not saying this lightly. It soundly beats Peter David's (aka David Peter) Psi-man:Deathscape as the most painful piece of writing I've endured. Part of what makes it so, so bad is that it thinks very highly of itself. Condescension oozes from of every line.

The foreword warns readers that this book is not like his other books, and that only special people who "love words and mysteries and secrets. For those curious about Alchemy and the Underthing. For those who wish to understand the hidden turnings of my world..."

This is emperor's new clothes-esque appeal is the most compelling thing in the book.

The other 156 pages are entirely ENTIRELY composed of stuff that should be cut from any other story. Chapter 1-5 is this:

Chapter 1 Auri gets out of bed and combs her hair
Chater 2 Auri takes a walk and then a bath
Chapter 3 Auri eats
Chapter 4 Auri does home repairs
Chapter 5 Auri picks out a gift and goes for another walk

There is nothing else. Rothfuss tries to carry it on prose alone, and he just isn't that talented. No one is. And it doesn't get any better from there.

There's no dialog. No plot. I cannot stress this enough. I'm completely and utterly dumbfounded that its possible to write for 156 pages and not say or do anything. Not to mention get it published afterwords.

If you want to read 156 pages of character actions, this is the book for you--opening doors, picking stuff up and putting it in other places, long walks and vague descriptions of pipes and poorly lit passageways. Twee observations about found objects and the anthropomorphization of those objects by the most infuriatingly twee protagonist of all time.

I thought I was just having a bad reaction to the book, so I sat on my feelings for awhile before writing this. Maybe I have a case of hype-backlash? But no.

The only faster nose-dive in quality and career trajectory has been Peter V. Brett's. If this is representative of Rothfuss' current quality standard, I expect his next book to leave a crater.

I had similar issues with 'nothing happening' in Slow Regard...but that's kinda the point of Auri's character. I took the "You may not want to buy this book" at face value. The story isn't for everyone. It focuses on a character who quite obviously has some kind of magically-induced brain damage and has a very unique worldview and day to day routine. I found it fascinating to read even if I plan on never revisiting it for a re-read.

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Sep 13, 2007

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WastedJoker posted:

Anyone get the feeling that the legend of Kvothe is going to turn out to be almost wholly fabricated/blown out of portion?

That's what so many of the stories have already been about. "Learned a language in a day? It was actually 3 days, I knew just enough words to carry on one conversation, and I am by no means fluent" "Kvothe the bloodless? I took a drug to constrict my blood vessels" "Walked through fire unharmed? Yeah, by way of a shitload of water and being smart, not because of being innately supernatural"

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Sep 13, 2007

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Peel posted:

If people have actually got mad at Butcher for taking a year and a half to write a novel then that's embarrassing for them, not Butcher.


Whalley posted:

Especially because it took him a year and a half to write one of his longest novels, as well as planning out/writing stuff for an entire new series that fans had been wanting for ages, getting about a dozen shorts out in the time, and just generally who fuckin' cares because that's a pretty drat good pace for most any novelist.

People got really used to the 1-a-year release schedule of Dresden Files, and failed to update their expectations as the series got bigger and more complex.

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Sep 13, 2007

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Evil Fluffy posted:

If the delay means we get something similar to WMF then there won't be much point in following him or buying his books anymore. Spending the better part of a decade to write something that average is pretty hosed up. I can definitely believe this story is something he originally wrote in college though.

Are you attempting to imply that writing time should have a directly proportional relationship with quality? Cause that's pretty hosed up. Sometimes great stuff happens fast, other times people spend years polishing a turd.

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Andrast posted:

The what now?

http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/02/concerning-hobbits-love-and-movie-adaptations/

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Sep 13, 2007

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Jimbot posted:

Ah, so his highschool crush turned pornstar is the influence for Denna, I see. Clearly he's a very balanced individual not still hung up on someone else's life choices. No problem with that. No siree.

It's like....I get the comparison he's trying to make...but man does it come out all hosed up and gross.

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pentyne posted:

He was close to 40 when he wrote that, which means his high school crush has been something he had obsessed with for 2 decades.

That is not the behavior of a sane human being.

Is there any evidence that he's talking about an actual high school crush? Or is he just making a (really forced and sorta twisted) metaphor?

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Mars4523 posted:

Butcher may have improved his prose slightly, but he still hasn't gotten better at not coming off like a sexist creep. But that's a matter for a different thread.

Being a bit "old fashioned" sexist is kinda Harry Dresden's character trait though. Look at Butcher's writing when he's coming from a different character's POV, and the issue vanishes. It's a deliberate affectation for Dresden.

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Sep 13, 2007

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darkgray posted:

So this series sure is cool things, but are we supposed to know if the Maer's new wife is Kvothe's aunt by now? Did I just miss something?

It's certainly been hinted heavily "oh yes my sister was kidnapped by a slavering horde of Ruh" "not tally a lot less" and all. But it has not been made 100% explicit.

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The poisoning wouldn't have killed them; just made them ill. Kvothe probably saw that as fair punishment for portraying the Ruh in a bad light. He didn't actually get murderous until he finds out that they not only are pretending to be Ruh, but killed an actual troupe and kidnapped and raped the town girls.

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Also; the fake Ruh didn't present it as theft out of necessity or for survival. They played it as "hey, we're Ruh, of course we stole stuff"

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Lottery of Babylon posted:

Kvothe's thefts generally aren't necessary for survival either. I'm pretty sure that he'd have lived even if he hadn't stiffed Tempi on his share of the loot after the bandit fight.

He gave everyone a share; he just snagged extra for himself.

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Donkey posted:

I wonder if someone asked Rothfuss if he was cutting back on writing book 3 to be a "creative consultant" on these movies/miniseries/video games if he would get very offended and lay down a rant about how his readers don't own him.

Well he'd be right...he's under no obligation to produce Doors or Stone on any particular timeframe (or at all).

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Re: Codex Alera

I love the series to death, and actually just finished up a re-read of it a month or so ago.

The first book of the series is not the best. Its good, but I had trouble getting really into it until about halfway through. That said, books 2-4 are universally amazing, and then 5-6 are still really good.

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Strom Cuzewon posted:


I wouldn't say the magic system was underutilised, were you expecting more than the giant sunlight death laser?

I do wish there were a few more moments of creative reapplication of the rules of the system over the course of the series. The crazy poo poo like what you have spoilered there drop off a little bit

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