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BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

theradiostillsucks posted:

Pretty much all of Al Di Meola's (Return to Forever guitarist) solo records until the early 80s are worth having. The only reason I can't recommend past that is simply because I'm not as familiar with them and don't want to recommend them on the off chance there's a turd in the bunch, but I doubt it. Land of the Midnight Sun, Elegant Gypsy, Casino and Splendido Hotel are all worth a listen.

On that tip, John Mclaughlin, Al DiMeola, + Paco de Lucia's Friday Night In San Francisco is badass.

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BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Seventh Arrow posted:

I have to disagree, really. I liked the album waaayy back when I was in high school, but having listened to it recently I have to conclude that there's not much more there than a blatant chopsfest. Some of the material is decent, but really the three of them continue throughout to sound like they're in a contest to see who can jizz the most notes over the audience. McLaughlin's album with Santana suffers from the same problem somewhat, but at least manages (to me, at least) to be a more consistently interesting

I probably haven't listened to it in a decade, but when I was 20 my mind was blown. You're right in that it's guitar nerd nonsense, but it's still something you have to hear.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

nemoulette posted:

I've casually listened jazz for a while now and have unsurprisingly found stuff like Kind of Blue and Take Five to be the sort of stuff I enjoy the most. From there, I usually just click around on Spotify at will. Can anyone recommend me their five favorite live recordings that might be up my alley based on my previous experiences?

There are a bunch of commercially released (and even more bootlegs) of the '64 Mingus lineup with Eric Dolphy. It's more avant garde than Kind of Blue, but not a crazy huge leap if you can put up with long pieces. "The Great Concert of Charles Mingus" is one, "Antibes '64" is another, "Revenge!" is the most famous bootleg of the bunch (at least famous for being a bootleg), but I don't know how easy it is to find.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

thathonkey posted:

After not really "getting" Jazz for the longest time, over the past month I've started really getting into it. Thing is: I have no idea what I'm doing. I've been sort of randomly poking around my parents old record collection/Spotify for stuff to listen to.


My best advice is to pick up a couple of books on jazz history and especially read all your liner notes cover to cover. Learn who the players are and follow sidemen. If you find yourself listening to a bunch of Kenny G, you did something wrong.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
I saw Wayne Shorter on that tour he did with Herbie Hancock like 15 years ago and he fuckin' sucked. It totally seemed like he was just phoning it in, and not even phoning it in well. Out of tune, just bad. Herbie was a pro, but I don't know why he put up with it.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Moist von Lipwig posted:

I'm just breaking into jazz but it's so huge I'm not sure where to go. I've been listening to Bitches Brew for a couple weeks now and I need something new but I'm not sure if I should jump around in Davis' catalogue more or if there's something else that's a contemporary with a similar vibe. Any advice?

Listen to A Love Supreme.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

DirtyDirt posted:

I am interested in what I guess you would call 70s soul or funk jazz, particularly Donald Byrd and some of the CTI records, like Milt Jackson's Sunflower, Idris Muhammed's Power of Soul (a personal favorite), Street Lady, the Crusaders, and I am just getting into Hubert Laws. Any recommendations in that genre? The funkier or groovier the better.

There's a Kenny Barron record called Peruvian Blue that I think is in print and hits the spot.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

T-Bone posted:

I don't know why it took me so long to Mingus, but The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is the greatest album I've ever heard.

Let my Children Hear Music is better. It's my favorite album.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Little_wh0re posted:

I've been listening to bits from the op and occasionally in the thread for the past few days and really enjoying the more upbeat tracks. I'm looking for more recommendations for jazz you could rob a bank or be in a car chase to?

Raymond Scott - Powerhouse.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

The Monkey Man posted:

You should look for more stuff from CTI Records- Wildflower came out on their more soul-jazz-oriented Kudu imprint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTI_Records

Milt Jackson's Sunflower is really good. Freddie Hubbard's on it. Swings a little, dips it's toes in fusion, lots of soul.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

NienNunb posted:

Between Birdman and Whiplash I've been on a huge jazz kick as of late. Specifically intense, quick, upbeat jazz drumming. Been listening to a lot of Buddy Rich but I was wondering if there were any more where it's just the drumming part? If not maybe some more that are like Buddy Rich.

I mean Gene Krupa is the obvious counterpoint to Buddy Rich if you like big band music led by a drummer. Neil Peart curated 2 albums called Burning For Buddy which have mostly rock drummers playing Buddy Rich staples, with plenty of soloing if that's what you're looking for.

Max Roach is the other major drummer bandleader I can think of but he didn't work with a big band as far as I'm aware. Well Tony Williams but his solo stuff is kinda weird rock fusion. And Elvin Jones nails intense, quick and upbeat, but again, with Coltrane's quartet not an orchestra.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Bummer. Never got to see him play, saw him speak once.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Miles Davies is on some of the worst Kinks albums so I understand why you don't dig him.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
The dude has 5 decades worth of material. Writing him off after listening to one record is pretty dumb.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Cymbal Monkey posted:

I've been struggling to get into jazz for a while now. There's elements I love about it, the oil slick stylings and atmosphere that makes me feel like I should be choking on a cigar in a back alley bar where you just know key players in organised crime hang out on their days off. That's why I like der Club of Gore, Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, Davis's Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud and some post-bop stuff like Mingus. I don't love the fact that jazz musicians seem to only be capable of playing at two volumes, on or off, but for me the biggest deal killer with 90% of jazz is the fact that it doesn't change. The structure, tempo, time signature and feel of the piece is a totally static backdrop for some soloist to wank to.

Help me love jazz, goons.

And what have you given a good critical listen to that you don't like? There's coming up on 100 years of recorded jazz out there. It's hard to cherry pick a couple records and call it a day.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Maybe you just don't like jazz?

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Cymbal Monkey posted:

See that's the problem, I like some jazz a lot. Not liking jazz would be easy.

Let me rephrase.

People, please tell me good dark jazz/doom jazz/noir jazz/incredibly seductive post-bop albums to listen to.

Those are not typical terms people use to describe styles of jazz, but if you like Charles Mingus and haven't heard Let My Children Hear Music, I think it's his best. At least it's my favorite. Mid 70's, pretty close to the end of his career, it's got a big band feel and it swings but it's got the avant garde inspiration too.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Cymbal Monkey posted:

I should also say I only have a vague grasp on the terminology.

Maybe start with some books, then.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Cymbal Monkey posted:

I'm mostly going on the facts that I know what Darkjazz is and my friend told me Mingus is post bop.

Dark Jazz is like anime soundtracks or something, right?

The book suggestion was serious. Or a jazz survey class if you're in college.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Who's there?

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Way to leave us hangin Otis

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Ernie. posted:

i think the joke was my line

That's not how knock knock jokes work

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

22 Eargesplitten posted:

If I want to start listening to Latin jazz, what albums/artists should I start with?

I pretty much only listen to jazz on the radio at this point.

Tito Puente kinda rules.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
I'm still waiting for the end of the knock knock joke.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

On Terra Firma posted:

Here's a good start. Good luck tracking down recordings of the shows themselves. They're all bootlegs at this point. This is just loving ridiculous though. His improvisation at around 5:30 is probably one of the craziest I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9k7NHX-sU

Dime a dozen has had a bunch of those shows up there in the past. They're easy tapes to
find.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Sunflowers is another good Milt Jackson record. More fusion-y, but not out there. Freddy Hubbard's on it.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
You've got a lot of Coltrane on there as is, but I'd put Giant Steps in over Love Supreme for what you're going for.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

dik-dik posted:

Oh man I would love some 33's. I really wish more records were sold as 33's

What are you talking about?

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
I've had a copy of Miles Davis' The Man With The Horn for a while that I had never gotten around to listening to before today. That's a surprisingly listenable record, even with some really bad guitar work. Pretty funky.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Money Jungle doesn't have horns and it's really good. But horns are also really good.

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BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Puppy Galaxy posted:

Maybe not the best call for someone who doesn't like horns?

It could have been a joke. Just a hunch.

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