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Subjunctive posted:Certainly so. Missed deadlines is a simple matter of established fact, and it would take real suspension of disbelief to deny the quality issues so far. Hilariously, the 'best selling EV in the US' has a total production run so far of ~15k, so I assume that must be counting pre-orders. Puts them solidly in Delorean Motor Company range for uptake! Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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RZA Encryption posted:You're casually suggesting 35,000-70,000 DC chargers be built (one or two chargers built on 20% of gas stations) and I'm telling you that's still not enough. You're describing what would be needed for a higher rate of EV adoption. I'm talking about eventually making the sale of new gas cars illegal. A reminder: 30k chargers at low end to service 15k vehicles which are not in any way evenly distributed geographically. There is absolutely no business case to do this.
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RZA Encryption posted:Correct, comrade. Hey, if we want to build them as public infrastructure it's a different discussion, but at present you're talking about getting gas stations to do it. Plus the whole issue that gas station real estate is based around cars in/out in 10 minutes. I'm trying to imagine how you deal with mass EV charging on, say, the Kansas Turnpike where there are hundreds of miles with just median built small gas stations with attached fast food.
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Three Olives posted:People really need to get over the idea that level 3 chargers are equivalent to gas stations and should or will ever be adopted in anything resembling the way we use gas stations. An electric car should be charging overnight on a level 2 station, maybe also at a workplace, level 3 is for unusual trips or emergencies, they aren't even designed to fill up a EV battery, the idea is to get you enough charge quickly enough to get you to a level 2 charger. 'Unusual trips' like driving between cities outside of the coasts. RZA Encryption posted:
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Three Olives posted:So your solution to mass adoption of EVs is to make them all luxury cars? Let's be honest. The concept of 100% ev uptake is hinged on forcing the lower and middle classes to accept that car ownership is no longer for them, as they have been priced out. Battery lifespans and the expense of replacing them mean the used market at 20% of retail is no longer a possibility, and at that point nobody making the median us wage can afford to drive.
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roomforthetuna posted:Sometimes we suspected that, but then if you look at the standards for automation everywhere else, what those fuckers are doing genuinely is the industry standard thing to do. I think the automation industry is just genuinely terrible and bad at its job. It seems like the goal of an automation project is a video that looks like you got a robot to do a thing, and then you sell your company to a sucker. Nobody wants to make a robot that can reliably do a thing repeatedly. Much like driving automation, manufacturing automation that can adjust to minor to major differences on the fly reliably is somewhere between extremely difficult and practically impossible if you don't have very tight control over the narrow scope of work and a bucket of funding and time.
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Apr 18, 2018 01:10
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Finger Prince posted:I know pickup trucks are supposed to be all about The Most Everything In Class, including engine size/power/fuel consumption, but it seems to me there's an awful lot of unused space on them that could be filled with battery packs, like between the frame rails for one. I know the target demographic would never buy one because you'd might not be able to drive across Texas with a herd of cattle in the bed in one, and some of the potential payload would be eaten up by the battery weight so it couldn't claim to have the Best Payload In Class. I just want a PHEV Tacoma. I sure wouldn't want one because the infrastructure to refuel it quickly outside of major cities and interstates isn't going to be put in for decades, if then. There isn't any financial justification for the level of infrastructure required to build it in the boonies. Same reason 75% of the country only has a handful of Superchargers per state, and all of them are on major highways. Hybrids are a much better answer for most of the use cases for pickups.
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Jul 14, 2018 14:03
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Elephanthead posted:An efficient diesel make the most sense for a pickup but most people drive them around empty and we sell them with the largest HP engines we can make so marketing. Well, yeah. We'd see more of those if 'diesel' wasn't automotive company for 'tack another $15k on the price' in the truck market too.
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Jul 15, 2018 06:12
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El Grillo posted:How many genuine competitor vehicles to Tesla's are either out or going into production any time soon? i.e. long range consumer BEVs. The only one I can think of is the I Pace. Apparently you can order one of those now, I don't know if they are shipping them yet though? Every ICE powered car on the road is a genuine competitor vehicle, and Tesla still has yet to get changing infrastructure to a state that the benefits aren't overwhelming in much of the US.
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Jul 18, 2018 09:15
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:tesla has the best charging infrastructure by far Exactly my point. Tesla's charging system has serious challenges to scale to replace even 20% of the current fossil-fuel consumer car fleet. Not only in building by the company itself, but in financing the power grid and generation upgrades that will be necessary to make it practical outside of major metros.
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Jul 19, 2018 09:38
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Godholio posted:Nothing will push expensive vehicles faster than regressive economics! Oh come now, surely you're not one of those plebes who has to have a working vehicle to keep a roof over their head!  Accelerationism is incredibly lovely unless it's being used to refer to the cult of never lifting.
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Cockmaster posted:To be fair, the consensus among climate scientists is that if we want to avoid loving up the planet too much, we need to do whatever we can as fast as we can to get away from fossil fuels. Yeah, you're not wrong, but at the same time a single supercontainer ship burning bunker oil puts out the equivalent per year of 50 million cars' worth of pollution. There are 90,000 of them in operation, each running ~270 days per year.
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Electric semis are a better direction than luxury cars too. Good use of electric vehicles absurd torque, plus a vehicle that gives no poo poo for how much the batteries weigh -and- will reliably be stopping for mandated downtime on major highways thanks to DOT regs.
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Jul 23, 2018 20:59
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:AI's won't need horns. Nah, they'll just continue to plow into pedestrians and be given ever excuse. 
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Tres Burritos posted:Is the chevy bolt any good? It kinda seemed more like, 'this is a car but it runs on electricity' and less of 'we are disrupting the transportation sector'. Or are the batteries poo poo or something? It's exactly what a consumer EV should be, just a car that you fuel differently. Not going to revolutionize the world, but will probably sell to people who'd never drop $TESLA.
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