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Arc Hammer posted:Have any of the post-Primaris novels gone into detail about adjustment pains between the OG marines and the Primaris reinforcements? Like is there a story out there about a chapter still using codex compliant methods butting heads with the amended Primaris codex tactics so you have 10th company devastators being told to fight like Rievers instead? A Marine learning to be Primaris (just dealing with the changes to his body) is in Spears of the Emperor. One of the "built for abridgement" plots (because Guy Haley always has those in his novels) in the Dark Imperium is one of the un-numbered sons being assigned to the Novamarines and trying to actually fit in as a Nova Marine from being Chapterless for so long. Genuinely probably one of the best parts of the series, as it also has a few flashbacks to him in the 30th millennium being selected to become primaris.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you never read any ian watson books? CS Goto would like a word. I'm listening to Echoes of Eternity and... Dempski-Bowden Seriously didn't want to write a Siege of Terra book did he? I'm at around the half way point and it's spent more time describing things that happened in the past, or in space, than it has the actual Siege of Terra. And when he was actually talking about the siege, probably half of the description amounted to a Static TV set. From everything I've read, he LOVES Chaos as a faction and loves to write them, but you're writing the last major engagements before the fight on the Vengeful Spirit (which is in the next book from Abnett) and you spend half your book looking at the past? Rant over... sorry. I do want to include that I think Old Battletech did the idea of shared universe for writers the best. You had one guy who did the "mainline" books, they moved the universe forward and described the major players in the major books (Michael Stackpole, and later Loren L Coleman). Other Authors would come in and write their own stories with different casts, in different parts of the galaxy, fighting smaller (usually) combats. This at least meant that you could read what happened during the different main events and the characters felt the same, and the same terminology was always used. I think Black Library could learn something from all of that.
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Oct 4, 2022 04:11
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Also Big E has to be Arnold Have them both play the Big E. It's been stated that he looks like a giant warrior in gold to some, while to others (particularly the Sisters of Silence) he looks like just a man. So have him appear different between scenes for fun.
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Oct 4, 2022 20:37
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Oct 4, 2022 21:13
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I know I'm probably asking a stupid question, but why are the Emperor's Children generally written with the same level of intelligence and reasoning ability as the World Eaters? I realize Fulgrim is just fully nutso after daemonic possession, but I'd think there'd be more than one major story where they're still capable of reason. And for the record, I've not read the Bile books, they're on my list to read. But I've read some heresy books, and the Black Legion Duology.
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Oct 6, 2022 05:04
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Z the IVth posted:OG Scythes of the Emperor wiped themselves out so that the Primaris could refound the chapter. They were corrupted by genestealers. In this vein, I think the Soul Drinkers were re-founded by Guilliman.
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Oct 9, 2022 02:05
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Haley's failure, which is where Abnett really succeeds with RG, is in not dousing his portrayal of him in a deep depression at everything falling apart. He instead comes across as just a busybody protagonist. Part of it that Haley tries to deal with (that I'm not sure Abnett has had a chance to) is RG having to catch himself up on everything that's gone wrong since his nap. The fact that there's an order of the Inquisition dedicated to figuring out what year it is for example. And it's not like Haley paints him as a shining beacon, the man captured and tortured a daemon inside one of his subjects in a way that made the Grey Knights stop working with him. And if I remember, the other part of his depression is the fact that he went before the Golden Throne and realized that to his Father, he's nothing but a weapon. Given he spent the previous centuries believing he was viewed as something more, that's gonna hit you a bit hard.
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Oct 10, 2022 17:20
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Sephyr posted:Eh. Other than the heresy itself, barely any marines fall, which really harms the setting's premise in a way. If the big dark temptation is so easy to resist once you have been brutalized/indoctrinated enough, what's the point? Entire categories (Custodes, Grey Knights) also get full immunity. Custodes I can't give an answer for, but I suspect that the fact that they are consistently close to the corporeal version of their God probably makes it very hard for them to have even mild taint. I mean one of the more interesting things about all of this is that Abnett has stated that at this point, the big E probably has accepted he's going to be treated as a God, and even welcomes the divinity and prayer. This was stated in the same interview he gave where he talked about the idea that the Golden Throne might be holding him back from properly resurrecting as his true self. (I think it was with Ars Technica?) As for those that are still around from the Heresy, Most of the primaris reinforcements are from the 30th mellenium when Cawl set about his great work. Beyond that, the primarchs, and Cawl himself, I suspect that the others you'd be looking for are within the Warp.
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Oct 11, 2022 05:08
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D-Pad posted:No they don't. Other Astartes that fight alongside them have their memories wiped but the GK does not. And even the Astartes mindwipe is not true in every case. Bleached, not removed. In the old Trilogy, once the main character got back from his mission, he underwent several procedures that meant that all the emotion tied to his memories of his previous mission were removed. He still recalled the mission, but the person who had given her soul for his success was seen as just a statistic rather than a comrade in arms. The attachment that he had formed with that person was destroyed and the mission became the mental equivalent of an After Action report.
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Oct 11, 2022 16:49
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Right now I'm listening to Hamilcar:Champion of the Gods. I know it's not 40k but it's a pretty good book, embellished a lot by the audio performance. It's acted (and written) how somebody suggested old Conan books should be, as if you're sitting at the fire with the subject of the book regaling you in the tale. I'm also working my way through John French's Ahriman series. Gives a very unique look at 40k (to me at least). Still am itching for some good Emp's children books (where they're not all crazy sadists), and hoping that we'll get an author who likes the Dark Angels.
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Oct 13, 2022 01:11
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they are all crazy sadists, thats the canon Eh, more like looking for a story where Conan goes out and robs people. We know he's done it, but it's usually not something the story actually show to keep the audience interested. Consider Lucius, He seeks perfection in every fight, the perfect strike to get a kill in every duel. Anyway, we kinda went over this a few pages back so I'll just keep sitting here waiting for the end of the Siege of terra books to come out.
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Oct 16, 2022 06:22
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A suggestion I read on the wiki was that Ullanor was the homeworld for the Orks as a species, so the Korks (that they evolved from) were drawn to it creating the War of the Beast. Which is also why Armageddon constantly has Orks bearing down on it in "modern times".
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Oct 18, 2022 23:40
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Siivola posted:Aw. That part about the trainees having to shoot one another is such a tired old trope that I'm surprised they went for it. Yeah sure the regime is so bad its jackbooted cronies are also victims. Xenos was basically one of the very first novels, which is probably why it's unpolished (memory serves, Xenos was the first use of the phrase "Dataslate").
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Oct 19, 2022 19:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:one of the reasons i like the cain books is it shows kinda of "lighter" and i guess more um "liberal" side of the imperium. like poo poo still bad and etc but its clear that like human nature just mundaity exists. like its not just "and then the drill abbot beat timmys brains in and made him servitor and only one kid graduated".
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Oct 20, 2022 03:30
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Cooked Auto posted:I had similar issues with when I read it a while back. Rayne is just really bland as a character and some of the side characters are far more interesting. Zane in particular as I recall looking up my old tweets from when I read it. I think something that gets occasionally mentioned but not really looked at is the idea that a guard regiment is the elite of each planet's population. In one of the Cain novels, they're fighting on a planet that's just forming some regiments for the Guard, and he gripes about the PDF troopers fighting stupidly to prove that they should be part of the Guard Regiment
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Oct 20, 2022 22:23
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Olanphonia posted:Have there been any new Cain books in the past few years? Choose your Enemies was the last one in 2018
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Oct 24, 2022 00:40
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Sephyr posted:A quick question for those who read Echoes of Eternity. I don't think so I think it's suggested that he's basically down to a skeleton held together with wishes and duct-tape at the end of the duel, and is slowly reforming as he finds his way back to the Throneroom
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Oct 24, 2022 01:54
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they had a small short story one where he fights zombies and poo poo.
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Oct 24, 2022 03:14
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I don't think that the primarchs got wished into existence. If they did I don't think Astarte would have felt maternally enough towards them to allow the Chaos Gods to cast them across the universe. I do agree with the idea that the Primarchs are more akin to Greater Daemons than anything else, but they're bound to the Emperor instead of the 4 Gods. ALthough the idea that they don't know that does bring a question of how much about them is self actualization. Would Corvus Corax be able to go back to a (more) human form if he understood himself more as a malleable creature of the Warp instead of The Ubermench?
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Oct 26, 2022 01:28
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Can't help but feel like the writers are pushing to have the Space Marines back as legions rather than an assortment of chapters that are loosely connected. The Unforgiven effectively act like a Legion, the Blood Angels reunited as a Legion to protect Bhaal, the Ultramarines have their primarch back and won't refuse his orders because he's their personal patron Saint. I get that the company wants to have chapters to allow for home brew crews, but I feel like the Chapter system should be used more as an "assigned to this war and this front" type of thing given how the books portray Space Marine fights.
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Oct 30, 2022 03:33
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radlum posted:So…Cadia fell recently right? Is that (and the aftermath) developed in any book? Depends on which direction you want to look at it in terms of "developed". Guy Haley's Dark Imperium books is half way about what it's like for a Primarch to have come back and be running an empire who's shape he hates, includes bits and pieces that indicate the Emperor is awkening. Watchers of the Throne deals with it from the perspective of the Custodes and Terran higher ups, going from a world that they viewed as "making sense" through a crisis to see a universe split in half. Basically every new book not under the Horus Heresy branding is following the fallout.
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Oct 31, 2022 02:42
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Sephyr posted:Isn't that what is basically going on with the Celestial Lions? No, that's because the Lions had the AUDACITY to suggest the Inquisition should maybe back off their extremism just a touch. An inquisitor, or the inquisition as a whole, took offense and has spent far to many resources trying to wipe the chapter out.
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Nov 1, 2022 06:04
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Basically. The Cult of the Emperor is like the old christians, they'd take any legend that remotely looked close to what the official line was and with a few retellings bring it closer and closer to the "party line". On another topic, I will say that one thing that the more modern books have gotten very good about is making the Marines feel like they're different from the average joe. I started re-reading the old Grey Knights books and it threw me that the Main Character feels so human. It's a stark contrast from the more modern books where there's a very clear effort to make sure you know that the Astartes are trans human. And you can tell it was written 15+ years ago, because it has the old "status quo" 13th black crusade, and the Grey Knights are operating openly around Arbites.
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Nov 4, 2022 17:20
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boredsatellite posted:DA really does need some good novels honestly. I like their concept in 30k with the mystique, knight like orders that are super specialized and was why I liked the Lion Primarch book. It seems like, story line wise, they're building to their story being one of the primary ones, given that Luther's out in the wild, and I want to say that there was suggestion that the Fallen were gathering on a planet for a climactic duel. I think probably the best way to use them is to have them hunting heretics if you want them to be seen as "good guys". Their chapter is built around secrecy and ferreting out secrets so having them deployed to a planet in the midst of a chaotic uprising (or genestealers) would be ideal.
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Nov 10, 2022 03:22
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MariusLecter posted:Wanna see them sussing out sussy chaos nonsense and go sword against cloak and dagger of the Alpha Legion. Have one say "I'm Alpharius." with a DA marine responding coldly, "no you're not" and whack their head off. That or Night Lords trying to do some crazy demoralization plays with infiltrators and the like, and the Angel just shrug it off. Given the history between their primarchs that seems to work better from a narrative standpoint. They spend parts of the books hunting for the cults that are "preparing the way", and basically openly acting like knights out of King Arthur stories or something to counteract the demoralization. Oop the local priest got murdered, Well now a Dark Angel chaplain leads the ceremony to crown his successor.
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Nov 11, 2022 05:52
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Pennsylvanian posted:I can read it all one day. The problem was that people recommended me the "best" stuff, but not necessarily the best introductory stuff. For 'modern' space marine, Spears of the Emperor would probably be good
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Nov 15, 2022 18:01
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Sephyr posted:This author doesn't ring any bells. Has he written anything good? Looking at his Black Library page. Hamilcar, Champion of the gods Grombrindal Gotrek and Felix in Age of Sigmar (and just a bunch of Age of Sigmar stuff) It Bleeds (a World Eaters short story) And some Iron hands stuff.
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Nov 17, 2022 04:24
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MMAgCh posted:Like hell a book that includes the phrase "it starts raining main battle tanks" can be skipped. And is by Abnett.
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It should say something that the only real thing I remember after reading the Soul Drinkers Omnibus 1 (10 years ago or so) was that the inquisitor in the first book fired homing bullets and the MC had four spider legs.
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S.J. posted:As someone still trying to catch up to the last few years of fluff changes, is the Dark Imperium series worth picking up? No idea if Guy Haley is trash or not. There are some interesting bits here and there. Robute talking to the Emperor, and the Emperor making an appearance in the final battle in the third book (in a manner of speaking). Haley is very much a Bolter Porn author who writes for abridgement. Every book I've seen by him (including his Siege of Terra book) include a plot line that has barely any attachment to the main story, and could easily be cut out without any real loss to the story. One that runs in Dark Imperium is more interesting than in his Siege book (about a Primaris from the Unnumbered Sons becoming part of a Chapter), but generally he's light reading.
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Angry Lobster posted:28th of february? drat. Notice it says part 1?
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Z the IVth posted:Open the book with Emps obliterating Horus and the rest of it is the scouring. Real guess? I bet that book 1 is going to be 80% what Ollanius was doing while the Siege progressed. And a Random Garviel Loken appearance. Just because that's what his books have tended towards in the Siege. Last we checked in with Oll he was flying on Terra trying to get to the siege lines with Alpharius, a proto-marine, and his little crew from Calth. Doesn't help that the last siege book ended with the Vengeful Spirit dropping it's shields.
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Arquinsiel posted:Yeah that's only a hundred times what was dropped on Dresden. They'd probably want to drop way more to make a dent in a hive city. How much arty did they empty into Vraks during the Siege? When the goal was literally getting the 1 in a million shot by shooting a million shells (equivalent anyway).
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I mean, this opinion just can go right into the trash can. Insofar as the book has a failing, a point I will not admit to, it’s too focused on character development. I thought Perty's bit was in "The First Wall". Personally the whole series like they felt to constrained by what had already been written. The Space War takes a comparative minute to finish, then it just DRAGS as it tries to describe the seventeenth way that forces of the Imperium are failing to hold. This is particularly bad in Mortis, and not helped by the characters not being able to put together that warp entities might be doing morale damage to their troops. Echoes at least had a few bits where the Imperium feels triumphant (and some payoff to Warhawk) with Sanguinious' fight and the ending. You can sum up two and a half books with "And then the point was lost." And I just realized I've spent the past several months thinking that Gav Thorpe and Guy Haley are the same guy, and I'm not sure why.
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Biplane posted:That's not what talking means? I mean talking assumes that everyone has a definition of terms. When it happens to Roboute he hears four versions of the same sentence with different nouns for him and what he represents to his Father. Also, Nobody else can even tell this discussion even happened. Also, the last book includes Big E giving a verbal slap to Mortarion, through a teenage girl who's basically being fried psychically because of the enormity of his power.
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PunishedEnzoMatrix posted:Hopefully it goes better for him than the Witcher where he ended up butting heads with the production over the source material. I mean, he's gonna be the Executive Producer..
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Arc Hammer posted:Official announcement. The Henry Cavill cinematic universe featuring Warhammer. So, some of the brains behind IT and The Lego Movie are in it. That seems good. Also, Cavill is doing a reboot of the Highlander? Sounds interesting. Best guess though is it's gonna be a Guard series, as a way to explain the different crazy bits involved. Either that or Inquisition to provide the vehicle by which they can explain different aliens and equipment.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah its always the same poo poo. like at least the blood angels proper have the "they want to be the salamanders and try but they are genetic fucks who go kill crazy from warp ptsd and vampire poo poo" the flesh teares are just "rawr we kill randos and get mad and we will butcher tons of innocents and feel bad" I think Haley did a decent job in the Devastation of Baal making them more than just "rawr Kill". Mostly by having another chapter who was even worse in the "RAWR KILL!" crazy for them to bounce off of. Finished Lords of Silence. I liked it even if I started to forget who was who among the secondary characters. I have physical books in the form of Mark of Faith and the Ahriman Omnibus to go through next (Only the last book from Ahriman though, finished the other two)
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Dog_Meat posted:It came up earlier in the thread, but I always wonder why anyone would look at the 4 chaos packages and say "ooh, boils and sores please! That sounds aces!" Also, on a personal level, it really got across the idea of a warband instead of the Legions as the organization
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Brendan Rodgers posted:If the Emperor did come back, wouldn't he see that there is a new path now? The webway thing didn't work out. But the Necrons have pocket dimensions, and warpless FTL, and all the blackstone stuff which doesn't have to completely gently caress up souls, it existed in places like Cadia for millions of years, it could even be used to amplify human psychic power when the time is right. Just knowing it is possible is a huge step towards implementing it. He could even make another Dark Bargain. He does have the Void Dragon, and The Silent King seems...not reasonable, but willing to talk (through intermediaries). I think the suggestions have been that the breaking of the Eye's been waking him up, and that interview Abnett gave to Ars Technica ( https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/05/unsolved-mysteries-of-the-warhammer-40k-universe-with-loremaster-dan-abnett/ ) Suggests that at this point he has just accepted and is pushing the idea he's a Warp God for Humanity. That's also where he discussed the idea that the Emperor is stuck. His body might be trying to regenerate, but at the same the Throne is destroying that regeneration.
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