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Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
I flipped through the new Forgeworld Horus Heresy book. Lots of good information in there along with some awesome pictures of Legio Astartes Marines.

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Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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EyeRChris posted:

The three books really do feel like one of the best set of books to come out of the Heresy. Thousand Sons > Prospero Burns > Battle of Fang are just too drat good when read back to back.

Add in Emperor's Gift to get some follow up on Bjorn.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
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IratelyBlank posted:

I have just finished reading The Emperor's Gift and one part of it struck me as I was reading. The part where the Inquisition orders the surviving guardsmen to be killed because of what they saw on the planet, there is this quote from the book:

Primarch. Such a word, laden with the resonance of mythology. Angron. Lord of the Twelfth Legion. The wider Imperium could never be allowed to know the Emperor’s own sons turned against him, nor that the Grey Knights existed in the empire’s shadows, fighting a war against creatures that couldn’t be real. We spent so much sweat and effort ensuring even the most minor sins never reached the eyes and ears of Imperial citizens; the greatest heresies of all had long since passed into apocryphal legend.


Having read the entire Horus Heresy so far, I was under the impression that by the point it was underway, most people knew that Horus was in open rebellion against the emperor. I realize that those events take place 10,000+ years before the time period of The Emperor's Gift, but it isn't as if they were living in the dark ages with no technology capable of recording what was going on.

Also, what is the Emperor's gift? The ability to completely resist taint? Psychic abilities?

Technology and recording interfaces degrade over time. 10000 years is a pretty drat long time; no matter how great your technology is, its going to degrade. At this point, I imagine its all hearsay and mythology, no different from our stories of the Trojan War.

In terms of the Emperor's Gift, I was under the impression that it was the Emperor's "geneseed"?

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
My guilty pleasure recently has been reading the 1d4chan.org wikipedia. They make up a bunch of stuff but on occasion, they manage to write some interesting stuff about the WH40k universe (Khornate Knights, making fun of Grey Knights in general). There's some stuff to avoid though, like the Slaaneeshi page, for obvious reasons.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Demiurge4 posted:

I'd really like some development on the whole Cypher storyline, honestly.

Bjorn is loving awesome, and never has he been more badass than in The Emperor's Gift when everyone basically falls over backwards to tell him how honoured they are and he just goes "oh loving poo poo dude, stand up, you're embarrassing me."

This story is pretty fun, if not necessarily official fluff:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bjorn

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Nephilm posted:

Stuff by Abnett (HH mainly) and ADB (all of it, always, for all time). Notable mention to Chris Wraight's Battle of the Fang and specially Wrath of Iron.

Just finished Battle of the Fang. I really enjoyed it and almost makes Bjorn a tragic figure in some ways, never to get the rest he deserves and feeling abandoned by his daddy.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Nephilm posted:

It doesn't almost: Bjorn is a tragic figure through and through. While all the great heroes of his time left or passed on, his lot was to stay behind and play caretaker to an empire that sees him and the world he comes from as a misenterpreted myth. And each time he awakes he finds it crumbling more and more around the edges.

Which is why the 1d4chan story is so nice. Bjorn finally just gets to tear poo poo up, even if he's stolen by the Blood Ravens. :3:

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
The problem with Fear to Tread is that it could have been so much more than it was if it was written by ADB or Abnett (in this case, I would have preferred ADB). Unfortunately, it just makes the Blood Angels somewhat hilariously tragic rather than actually tragic.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

Nephilm posted:

Well, the Salamanders are seen with as much reverence for their care for the people of the Imperium, as are the Blood Angels, and the Ultramarines are outright loved. It's not that the Wolves are particularly nice, if anything, what they have going for them is that among the First Founding chapters whose focus is on the people rather than the institution, the Wolves are the most willing to act in a rash and uncompromising manner.

And even the wolves themselves have forgotten a lot, and Bjorn and their other ancients can see themselves how much they have degenerated into reverence much like the rest of the Imperium whenever they're awoken. I think the only chapters that have really kept their nature and knowledge are the Dark Angels and Grey Knights, both also being the most secretive about that which they know.

That reminds me of this

quote:

"Ah, dammit", he thought, "it's that time of the century again".

The language of the Space Wolves' rune priests was a harsh, guttural dialect appropriate for harsh people with excesses of phlegm, and if this lot were like the last lot, that was an accurate description.

Oh well, time to put on the show.

He cleared his throat and prepared his deep, tired voice for use once more. After all, if he made it seem like he was slowly losing his grip on reality, they might let him sleep longer.

"WHO AWAKENS BJORN?" he spoke into the microphone, letting the vox casters on the Dreadnought echo it out into the surrounding room. He could already see who was awakening him - the little gimp with the wolf-pubes for a beard - but he had to follow the ritual, make it look all authentic or they would start asking questions.

"Oh mighty Bjorn, the Fell-Handed-" ahh poo poo, he hated that nickname, "we awaken thee to help us remember the past, the forgotten and the sacrificed, those who embody the spirit of the Wolf."

Spirit of the Wolf? That bollocks was new. Normally they went on about the spirit of the warrior and poo poo.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

That's just fanfiction from 1d4chan.

Yeah, I wish it were canon.

But... Battle of the Fang is really similar. Bjorn is basically thinking that even if he's not saying it. At least, that's how I like to see it since his character is so tragic anyway.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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hopterque posted:

Yeah, thanks to Know No Fear and the rest of the Calth stories, I really genuinely like the Ultramarines (at least as they're depicted during the heresy). Guilliman writes the codex, and then tells his dudes that "hey, listen, the codex is REALLY GOOD but even I can't account for everything so sometimes you just gotta get poo poo done."


That last part seems to have slipped from the memory of the Ultramarines at some point, unfortunately.


Basically Dan Abnett is a wizzard and was able to make even the most boring legion cool and interesting.

Its funny because the fluff regarding the Alpha Legion and the death of Alpharius makes it sound like the Ultramarines, even under Guilliman, were devoted to following the Codex to the letter.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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mllaneza posted:

But with more firepower and more :black101: stories.

He's just tired of this whole furry Space Wolf poo poo that the Vlka Fenryka have become obsessed with. What happened to a good night of drunken fighting and retelling the great sagas.

:arghfist::corsair:

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRVcdLPqoHg

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kharn

Always makes me :3: whenever I read about this version of Kharn. That and his counter.

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Aug 28, 2013

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
I always imagine that Erebus just accidentally falls into this plot of corrupting the Primarchs. It seems like he was just looking for a reason to go back to worshiping his old gods.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Improbable Lobster posted:

Is Phil Kelly a good BL author? I like his codexes generally but I don't know if his short story is any good.

Basically, I just want more Iron Hands content.

According to 1d4chan:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Phil_Kelly

quote:

Phil Kelly is to codex writing as Dan Abnett is to the Black Library and then some. His fluff actually follows the basic rules of writing (besides being absolutely loving Awesome), his codexes have balance worth a drat, and he has amazing sideburns. Every army that hasn't yet had a codex update prays to the Emprah, Khaine, Ethereals, Chaos Gods, or Hive Mind that Kelly will write their next codex.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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VanSandman posted:

The minotaurs are pretty cool, too.



I don't particularly like the actual design but the idea isn't too bad.

On the other hand, if they decided to redesign Space Marines completely, I'd be all for this design:

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
I just assumed it meant that the Cabal is completely fallible rather than a statement of Abnett's political leanings.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
These are all pretty drat cool (from Visions of Heresy Book):





Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal
There's currently a 30% coupon on Amazon. This will allow you guys to purchase the Visions of Heresy book on Amazon for $35ish if you guys are interested.


Edit: Code is BOOKDEAL

Edit2: Its not for the original collector's edition book.

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Dec 2, 2013

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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UberJumper posted:

I was looking around and saw this linked, i can't find the original source (since it seems to have disappeared), but apparently ADB wrote this:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F


I wonder if ADB ever wrote fanfiction, if so i want to read it.

:allears:

His FB post from yesterday:



I'm hoping Talon of Horus is similar in both style and substance to Dude, where's my Land Speeder.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
Its mentioned in one of the books (I think Helsreach) that there is no remaining full copy of the Codex Astartes. Not even the Ultramarines have a copy that is 100% there.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

Nephilm posted:

That's bullshit. What's mentioned is that marines don't carry the full codex with them into battle because that'd be unwieldy, but they carry pieces for symbolic reasons. Also, although the Codex Astartes was initially structured and penned by Guilliman, strategies and tactics from the finest minds in the Imperium has been added to it through milenia - it's more accurate to say that different chapters have slightly different editions (supplements) of the same core book.

Found where I saw this. This is told from the perspective of a Black Templar Chaplain:

quote:

But no plan survives contact with the enemy. Fortification and digging in during extensive worldwide Crusades are a necessity of the wars we fight. While the Templars may not cling to the Coddex Astartes with a tenacity bordering on worship of holy scripture, it is still the most comprehensive treatise on Space Marine warfare ever written, penned by the hand of the Emperor's own son, Lord Guilliman of Macragge. Its value is immeasurable to any commander, no matter what divergences are found in a Chapter's culture.
It is said that no complete copies still exist in the Dark Millennium. Even the original document's origins are shrouded in more myth than truth. No records even exist as to whether Lord Guilliman wrote the Codex by hand across several dozen tomes, dictated it to nuncio-processors and servitor scribes, or compilled it himself into a hololithic library.

I'm still not done with the book, but I knew I saw it somewhere.

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Dec 12, 2013

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Sephyr posted:

I had no sleep tonight. I foolishly sat down in be around midnight with a copy of Helsreach a friend gave me and decided hey, I don't like Black Templars, but I might as well take a peek at this. Armageddon, and stuff.

The next time I looked up from the book, it was getting light outside the window.

It's a very intense book, clearly a Stalingrad-themed last stand epic. It's one of the best books in detailing how divorced Space Marines are from humans, enough to make you wonder if it is only the sheer weight of tradition that keeps them protecting mankind instead of simply reaving their way around. Orks aren't funny in this book; they are like a hateful force of nature.

At the same time, it gives Depth to the Black Templars in a very powerful way. I'd expect maybe a Salamanders or even a Space Wolves apothecary to be broken to the point of tears and nearing a breakdown as he harvests the geneseed of his whole dying company, but never a Black Templar. And yet it makes sense, because the Crusade is all they have, and they are removing themselves from it. The attrition between their way of war and the Salamanders is also handled tastefully: strong enough to matter, but not veering into "So if Wolverine fights Lobo, who'd win?"

I really enjoyed the sequel as well. Unfortunately for me, I read Helsreach after Blood and honor, but it doesn't really matter. ADB is a fantastic writer of 40k.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

Who are those dudes in the 9th Company? Centurion squads - are they Terminators? As strong as terminators?

God, they really have expanded out the range to sell more space mans.

Edit: Nevermind, found it on 1d4chan:

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Centurion_Squad

quote:

Hey, you! Tired of just one Heavy Bolter? Wish to crush your foes with their own armour? Want to wear armour while you wear armour? Crave GIANT loving DRILLS? Then the new Centurion Warsuit is for you!
A Centurion Squad is a new type of Space Marines Squad available with the release of 6th edition. A Centurion is a warsuit whose STC printout was discovered after the Age of Apostasy. After getting the "not heresy" stamp from the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Imperium of Man began supplying Space Marine Chapters with the suits, who dubbed them "Centurion" after the former officers of the Legiones Astartes. The Centurion is a specialist piece of equipment used for sieges or line-breaking. Despite not interfacing with the Space Marines Black Carapace, it gives the Marine durability that is rivaled by that of a Dreadnought, without the requirement of losing their spine and three out of four limbs in a heroic, but probably avoidable last stand. Instead of recruiting out of the Chapter's First Company Veterans, Centurion pilots are recruited from the Assault or Devastator Squads, as Centurions are only useful in specific roles of Assault and heavy weapons, and their pilots need to be immersed in a specific type of warfare.
While you won't be blamed for calling them "Reasonable Dreadnaughts", it should be noted that their current status makes them inferior to true dreadnaughts in both loadout and points price DUE TO LACK OF HEROIC SACRIFICE.
They are also commonly referred to as "Space Marine inside a Space Marine" or "baby Dreadknights" by fa/tg/uys. Sometimes "tubinators" by less fatguys.

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jan 16, 2014

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal

Jerkface posted:

Those are just, ugh, the worst. I hate that every army is getting new 'bigger' units when we already had perfectly functional 'big units' for most armies and the next steps up were always Titans/Baby Titans but nope, actually the space marines have giant stupid pieces of poo poo that have never been mentioned before and Grey Knights have even bigger, stupider pieces of poo poo no one knows about.

At least its redeemed by this :3:

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Pyrolocutus posted:

I...well...uh....actually that makes perfect sense under 40k logic :v:

Because, yes, a infinitesimally small chunk of the Emperor's armor makes you partially invulnerable.

Sometimes I love this universe a little too blindly.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:

Aren't the Space Wolves still basically...a Legion? Their numbers were never split the same way the other Legions were, and their only Successor chapter ended up hosed.

Recent literature about the Space Wolves seems to imply that they're still the same size as they were when they were under Russ.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Waroduce posted:

What volume contains the short story/novella continuation of Helsreach and what is it called?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/blood_and_fire_ebook.html is the continuation of Helsreach. Not really a continuation since it follows what happens to the Celestial Lions, but Grimaldus does a lot of reflection on Helsreach.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
This guy went a little crazy over his spacemans hobby:

http://blog.naver.com/shreneo/100204308978

I guess painting a full legion would drive you crazy but this is only about 1/10th of what you'd need.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Aziraphale posted:

Eh, if you walked by that LT Mira or any random IG jack off running around, you were easily head and shoulders taller than them. Much wider too.

I can remember a lot of marines preferring to go helm-less because they like to take in all the sensory inputs of a battlefield sans filters. I dunno, the lore supports it.


I saw this on Reddit today too. I wonder how the gently caress he afforded this many models. The guy didn't look to be out of his 20s, so it's not like it's the lifes work of some 45 year old basement dwelling 40K autist.

I think the little kid who's giving the peace sign is his son. He mentions that he takes his son to gaming activities. He's also talking about his second son coming soon. I guess its also been 7 years since he's started this part of his hobby - prior to this, he was doing regular military models

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
This is the awesome new version of that old image:

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Toilet Rascal

Hollismason posted:

I'm just getting back into the Black Library stuff, I've read all of Abnett's stuff loved it. Everyone really loves this Night Lords books. How are they compared to Dan Abnett's stuff?

I personally think ADB is a better writer than Abnett. Abnett does a good job with world-creation but ADB is just a better writer of characters in general.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Kaizer88 posted:

I always thought Dorn and Roboute seemed awfully similar. They both appeared to be about building stuff to last and having organized armies. How would people characterize their differences?

Roboute seems riddled with self-doubt, something I haven't sen from too much of Dorn's fluff. That seems to be a difference?

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
I was able to look through a copy of Extermination (Forgeworld Book). I just did a quick glance of it but there's no real mention of Omegon at all. There is a really cool little section about Alpharius' various origins though that I'll see if I can grab a copy of for people to read through.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

What's with the Space Marine in Tau colors fighting the Tyranids? Is that an actual story?

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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UberJumper posted:

Sigh fluff that like actually adds a lot of depth to his character and explains his actions in Thousand Sons, and Scars. Yet unless you bought that super limited edition HH art book you never know that.

*EDIT* Another limited release HH Novella was announced for release today:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-purge-limited-edition.html

Is the guy on the cover supposed to be a word bearer? All the little script seems to be a Word Bearer thing. Which makes me wonder if ADB is writing this?

The guy on the cover seems to be similar to the rendition of Lorgar from the second Forge World book.



Its actually got some pretty amazing art.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
If you can find The Talon of Horus, read it. Its pretty fantastic.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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amuayse posted:

Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash

Hey man, after you read Talon of Horus, you'll feel differently about Abaddon. I certainly do.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

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Telsa Cola posted:

Is there any more fluff behind this or do we just know they exist at this point?

Roboute has been building them for the past 10k years. They've been in cryo for about that long.

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Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
Someone doesn't like light hearted humor about their serious space mans books.

I take both 1d4chan and TTS with the light heartedness I feel they require. There are definitely cringey moments but overall, its something to keep us entertained.

[edit] I type bad

[edit 2] - Also, where can I read about Calgar getting his rear end kicked by Abbadon?

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 00:33 on May 29, 2019

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