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selec
Sep 6, 2003

whatis posted:

The talk on the previous pages of right-wing dads ruining holidays has me nervous about this upcoming Thanksgiving. I'm headed down south to spend the holiday with my girlfriend's folks, and her father is a psychopath when it comes to this stuff. I talk to him on the phone every once in a while and he always twists it into something about Obama being a communist/muslim/friend of the family. Now that I've recently started working at a university, I get frequent warnings about all my socialist co-workers and how they're trying to brainwash me. I've been very good about just sort of smiling and nodding through the bullshit the last few years, but the guy is really aggressive and persistent. I want nothing more than to tell him how wrong and crazy he is, but the man is on all sorts of painkillers and meds and has literally threatened complete strangers with the gun he keeps in his glovebox on more than one occasion.

The worst part about it is that the guy's life has been broken by all the same poo poo that he trusts and dedicates himself to so absolutely. His back was irreparably damaged by a chiropractor, and when it took too long for him to recover, his job fired him. He lost his prescription plan, so all the chronic pain from his back led him to self-medicate. He hasn't been able to get the treatment he needs to remain a functioning member of society, so he's completely out of work and pissing away all of his retirement money just so he can continue to pay his mortgage, which is completely unsustainable.

But affordable healthcare? Socialist bullshit. Unions and workers rights? Corrupt goons putting excess strain on job creators

It's so frustrating because I know if the man had any critical thinking skills whatsoever, he would see that the very ideology he worships and aspires to is the same thing that has destroyed him. But I also don't want to get shot

You'd be doing the family, town and America a favor if you quietly took that gun and threw it into a lake.

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selec
Sep 6, 2003

Leofish posted:

You're right in that there is a chance someone may have something to say on a government policy that, through its influence, may have caused the suffering of a loved one, or prevented them from getting the care they needed. There is a place for those sentiments in the public discourse, too. But I don't see it in this tweet, especially given what Crowder has been known to tweet in the past. It just looks like such an afterthought. "My aunt has lost her battle with cancer and also Obamacare #RIP."

When loved ones die it's a sad, often tragic event. It's also one of those times when our lives mash up against the liminal, when we have a moment to experience real grace, and extend compassion to the universe as we realize what is really important in our lives, what we should cling to, how much our loved ones matter, how much it matters that they know we love them, and to feel their love in return.

Crowder threw that momentary chance for grace away for a cheap shot. He's robbed himself of that, nobody did it for him. It is immensely sad.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

mojo1701a posted:

I'd also like to know what the hell Seinfeld was doing on a college campus. Dude has a LOT of money. Why leave that cocoon?

Man who previously dated a high schooler while he was in his thirties spotted on college campuses, baffling observers.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

toanoradian posted:

Oh, I thought Chelsea=Bugs Bunny is a meme thing, like maybe Bugs is a hated figure or something, or maybe it's a slang, or some form of insider joke for alt-rights.

Turns out it's just mocking a woman's looks. Cool cool cool cool

None of you people are qualified to post in this thread.

It's this:

http://blackbag.gawker.com/is-this-chelsea-clintons-real-father-1780376180

which has been a theory bandied about on places like freerepublic since the late 90s.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

My Face When posted:

I was about to post the explanation. Thank you for beating me to it. The Clinton Conspiracies are just straight up laughable, but unfortunately are very real to some. My family has been affected. I heard the Seth Rich conspiracy from my little brother, who's 16. My step-dad is a full blown tea partier. Our family vacation was definitely....strained, this year.

I'm sorry, man, that sucks. I feel lucky that my parents are politically leftish, if pretty middlebrow, policy-uninterested types. It can be annoying hearing mom crow about something that EVEN GEORGE WILL agreed with on some Sunday show, but probably leaps and bounds better than what you're dealing with.

Get your brother some Chapo Trap House episodes and encourage him to rebel in the only way that matters in his context.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

I married into a Mennonite family, and PJ is dead on. Internal schism happening in wife's church currently over gay marriage. One kid, a few years back, during an anti-gay marriage sermon, stood up and named and shamed every divorced person in the sanctuary in a righteous gently caress You/Walk Out protest over how flexibly scriptural guidance is taken.

All the Mennonite weddings I've been to have a nice ceremony, a nice dinner, then a keg get that night for the younger generation.

Also, neat trivia: Mennonites are to commercial aviation what Mormons are to national security agencies.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

I'm pretty sure at this point that Dinesh saw the play that Richard Spencer punching video got and asked "Why doesn't anyone care enough to punch me?”

If we keep ignoring him, he'll have to escalate until he's showing up to public appearances in Klan robes asking us if we're triggered.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

BiggerBoat posted:

Except I don't know all that much about Trevor Noah either. Now what the gently caress am i supposed to do?

One really great way to appraise the political leanings of 99% of celebrities is to remember that Rich Celebrity Liberal has three words, and Rich is the first one, and unsurprisingly, rich people can often be out of touch, and say and do dumb poo poo.

Rich people aren't your friends except by accident. If a rich person has non-rich friends, it's because they were family or friends before they got rich.

It's not like your George Clooneys of the world are out there settling in for some beers at the local watering hole, finding buddies to go fishing or watch the game with.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Any given story on NPR is content neutral but their story selection has some left-wing preferences. You're more likely to hear a story about cool immigrant taco trucks on NPR. On the other hand they have some shakey funding and sometimes mount stuff that's farther right than Fox would because it's funded by a private donor.

I'm still salty about that attack on social security disability benefits a few years back.

Marketplace is a half-hour long sponsorship blowjob/occasional story about why this gadget is cool, five days a week.

Ask yourself what the typical Wal-Mart worker, typical factory line worker, typical cab driver get from the Business section of a newspaper, or Marketplace?

If there was any leftist lean at all, we'd have an NPR show called Laborhood, which would examine all the same issues but never interview anyone making six figures.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

bird food bathtub posted:

Let's say it's not legal. Say it's hilariously illegal in hideously specific laws that call him out by name and say 'you, personally and specifically can't do exactly, to the letter, what you are doing right now with the force of law'

So what?

Exactly. These are the freest people on earth we're talking about here. Trump, Hannity, those kind...what are you going to do?

What possible effect could you have on their reality? Nothing.

Their entire existence asks you the question: "So what are you going to do about it?"

And we have answered them their entire lives: "Reward you for it."

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Cancel your New York Times subs y'all, they keep giving Bari space to promote reactionary grifters as though they're subversive intellectuals.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

its not a secret or anything, the Times views itself as the paper of record; the editorial page is supposed to reflect a broad spectrum of views (except those of dirty hippies). It's also not a secret who's driving it; it's privately held by the Sulzbergers.

They're not doing that though. All of their conservative columnists are Never Trump people, which represent maybe 5% of the GOP base, and overall less than 1% of the entirety of American conservativism.

If they really wanted to reflect a broad spectrum of views, they'd have a socialist, and a rabid Trump supporter. But they're terrified of showing their readers (who want to believe that a reasonable, thoughtful conservative movement still exists) the truth of this world, because the truth is their readers are part of the problem.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

You don't think the college protesters support banning right-leaning people from speaking on campus? Okay then.

They might support that, but it doesn't really matter, because they're a tiny little segment of college students, and the actual, meaningful control over dialogue on college campuses rests comfortably within the right's control.

I mean, the Koch brothers have hiring/firing oversight over at least one economics department, and were recently revealed to have control over what students were accepted, and what speakers were allowed in.

What professors are routinely hounded off campus, or just fired for their views? Usually profs supporting Palestinian causes.

The problem with free speech on campus isn't originating from the left, buddy.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Saying in 2018 that the problem with campus discourse originates from the left side of the partisan divide is like saying in 2000 that the problem with black communities is a culture of fathers not raising their kids; wholly a product of right wing propaganda.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

The responses to the tweet about Tad Devine are pure Infowars for Democrats. Huge concentrations of brain worms.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Slutitution posted:

I always knew Bernie Sanders was working for Putin to derail Hillary's campaign.

In another addition to Sci Fi Authors Disappointing Me After 2016 (William Gibson, you are Old And It Shows), Charlie Stross retweeted that bonkers TAD DEVINE! BERNIE IS A RUSSIAN OPERATIVE! tweet as well.

It makes sense in a way; Stross' Laundry books are fun, but demonstrate a fundamental trust in powerful institutions, and belie a misunderstanding of power and the way that people slavishly devote themselves to it. The power structures that support our current societies would not cooperate to fight extradimensional or Lovecraftian threats; they would bow down and work for them.

If an Old God rose from the seas, nearly 100% of Mormons would instantly convert their worship to them. People love being told what to do, and the more they are conditioned to do so, the less problem they have transferring that obeisance to whoever's at the top of the heap currently.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

BarbarianElephant posted:

I dunno why you’d want to be on the left wing side if you want to be as awful as the right. Go join the Nazis, you’ll have more fun. And they’ll all agree with you about journalists.

Dumb as hell, my dude. What makes you think billionaire-owned news outlets have the interests of the people anywhere in their priorities?

“Journalism” isn’t an inherently leftist or even liberal institution. And I say this as somebody who’s done a fair amount of journalism. There’s a myth making apparatus that wants to insist that they’re here to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, but how often do you really see that happen?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

OwlFancier posted:

What makes you think they would push back against that... What incentive is there?

You're looking for a free market solution to the basis of effective democracy: Information provision and assimilation. That's absolutely insane in this day and age when faced with all the evidence you must surely have observed in the recent past. It's the profit seeking motive of all the media outlets that produced your drat president!

No you don’t understand, MSNBRaytheon will definitely tell us if the next war is just or not.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Niwrad posted:

I still think he's overplaying the importance of the media here. Trump got coverage because it's what people wanted to see. And as long as the media is a business, they'll continue to operate that way. Nolan of all people should know this since he advanced his career working for a clickbait operation.

Was the media supposed to cover a Jeb Bush rally for the 4 people interested in seeing that? Back in 2008, was the media supposed to give equal coverage to Chris Dodd as they did Barack Obama? You cover what the people want and certain candidates hit a chord with the public. No one cared when Obama's every bowel movement was breaking news during the election.

Trump didn't win because someone turned on the TV and saw him on CNN and decided that's the man they needed to vote for. He won because a large segment of the population are terrible and his message of hating minorities and women was right in their wheelhouse. And instead of tip-toeing around that line, he went full steam ahead into those issues and catered directly toward his base. A bunch of white racists who are losing influence in the world were told by another white racist that he would stop that from happening.

If Nolan is wrong, then what’s your prescription for what the media should do differently? Or in your opinion did they do their jobs properly in ‘16?

selec
Sep 6, 2003


EOD expert cannot imagine somebody being bad at building bombs? Motherfucker, your entire job depended on finding bombs that didn’t explode. That bombs were poorly made or didn’t explode should be the least interesting thing about this to him. What a right wing piece of poo poo.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

PJOmega posted:

Was the attack perpetuated because the intended victim was a member of a protected class? No.

They shouldn't have broken in but there is no loving way it qualifies as a hate crime.

Where did you hear they broke in?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

pookel posted:

wait what?

Jeffrey Goldberg went to Israel and joined the IDF during the first intifada, and was a prison guard, the memories of which he relishes.

LOL just looked at his wikipedia page, he was also the police reporter for the WaPo. I have never met a reporter on that beat for any paper that isn't a loving CHUD. The one who covered that beat locally would participate in police training exercises as a designated bad guy or victim for the exercises. He got pissed and asked if we could meet in person to fight when I trolled him on twitter for not seeing this as a blatant conflict of interest.

edit:

He was also one of Obama's favorite journalists, if we're keeping track of lovely media hacks Obama liked; see also: David loving Brooks.

selec fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 16, 2018

selec
Sep 6, 2003

pookel posted:

OK, it's pretty gross to call him a "concentration camp guard" for that without clarifying that you're not talking about the loving Holocaust.

Not a fan of the IDF either, but this right here is some bullshit.

You realize concentration camps have a long storied history outside of the shoah, right? The Boer War and the US occupation of the Phillipines both predate the WWII usage.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Iron Crowned posted:

:lol: trump has money?

“He’s not as rich as he says he is!” is only a sick burn to people who are completely detached from the reality of working people.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

pookel posted:

As a working person, I think it is deeply hosed up that someone like Trump can wield the kind of power and influence he does by scamming people into believing he is a billionaire, even though it is all built on fraud and lies.

Also, considering that he continually points to his "wealth" as a measure of his intelligence & business skills, it seems relevant that it's fraud rather than actual wealth.

You can’t “by your logic, sir!” Trump into a corner, and trying to determine if he’s lying about his wealth feels like a waste of effort.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Imagine the kind of person you'd have to be to get an elephant tattooed on you, because Republicans, in the early 90s. That's Kennedy.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Absurd Alhazred posted:

"He's a Jew" and "He's Jewish" would both not raise eyebrows with me (and could mean subtly different things, but that's a long story). "He's a Jewish banker" would raise one eyebrow (because why does it matter that he's a Jewish banker rather than a Christian one or whatnot?), "He's a Jew banker" would have me put up the "yep, antisemitism" flag.

This is dead on, except that “Jewish banker” would have me at 75-80% skeeved out.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

predicto posted:

In some ways it's just basic disrespect. Like the way old racist sportwriters used to refuse to call Muhammad Ali by his name, and instead insisted on continuing to call him Cassius Clay. Denying him his own name is just a chippy little effort at dehumanization.

Eeexactly. It’s the dominant white caste asserting its power over you, right down to your name. The power to police race was and is determined to be a whites only thing, and it’s been internalized to the point of unconscious drive for a lot of white people; they don’t see it as racism, or say they don’t, and I think a lot of them are being honest in that they just have this feeling that has to be satiated, and can’t understand that it’s just enforcement of a racial hierarchy they’ve been raised up in.

It shows up everywhere: White people outrage discovering a black person passing as white, or that black liberation political displays aren’t appropriate at pro sports events, but military glorification is. Or bans on cornrows or natural hairstyles in schools or workplaces or the armed forces. Or the La-a, Oranjello/Lemonjello black child name urban legends. Or the spate of white women calling the cops on minor/non offenses, just because they feel like black people are somehow subject to their whims. It’s all caste reinforcement.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

3 Tablets Daily posted:

If you need further proof of Western superiority just look at how many people are desperately trying to immigrate Western countries while almost nobody (by comparison) is trying to get into African, Middle-Eastern countries, or even the economically booming jewel of the East--China.

If I had a bunch of valuable poo poo stolen from my house, and found out that the people who stole it also stole a bunch of poo poo from other folks who were in roughly my same position when they got burglarized, and we all found out collectively that the organized crime ring that stole our stuff was now running a viable society, that sometimes let outsiders in, and they were leveraging all that poo poo they stole to do it, and I had less than zero options to actually reclaim what was stolen, what's my next best option for at least gaining some of the benefit from what was originally mine?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

HootTheOwl posted:

Podcast on bad books, I Don't Even Own a Television did an episode on an installment of the Rush Revere series.
Remember: His in-house iced tea is called "Two if by Tea". The dude really thinks himself a modern day Paul Revere.

Does he call it The Shot Heard By Many Around The World? :agesilaus:

selec
Sep 6, 2003

friendbot2000 posted:

I hate you so much for this and I love you too...I am so confused.

This is basically my internal monologue 90% of the time so I feel Very Seen right now.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Strong recommendation for the documentary “The Eyes of Tammy Faye” which is incredibly damning of Jim Bakker.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

BiggerBoat, re: your question on what from the Steele Dossier has been debunked.

I think it's probably safe to say that Michael Cohen did not go to Prague. His lawyers were out there stating that definitively during his cooperation, so I suspect that they wouldn't say that when he was exposed to as much legal jeopardy as he was unless they were bulletproof sure of it, and knew Mueller wouldn't ding them for saying it.

But I'm always willing to be surprised!

selec
Sep 6, 2003

BardoTheConsumer posted:

"He went to Harvard and willfully learned nothing"

To be fair, if he’d fully absorbed Harvard’s knowledge, he’d be either a caliper-wielding eugenicist or a war criminal. The idea that Harvard is some lefty bastion is utter dreck. It’s a factory that churns out sociopaths with great LinkedIn networks. So I don’t believe he learned nothing, but maybe he did fail at making any friends there. His dad has set him up with all his jobs after college.

Literally every wave of American eugenicists have been primarily Harvard alums and faculty.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Twelve by Pies posted:

So the newest right wing conspiracy theory is that Ilhan Omar married her brother for immigration purposes and to cheat on her taxes.

That isn’t new, and the immediate question is: the statute they claim she took advantage of offers the same benefits to spouses or siblings, so what’s the reason for fraud?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

bird food bathtub posted:

Because she's a SCARY SCARY MUSLIM and it's more racist birther poo poo all over again. Stop engaging them with reality like the actual law, fascists don't care.

She's not white, therefore not American. That's it.

Oh yeah, I meant it as “the question you should ask them” when they float this dumb claim. It’s obvious it’s just a way to try and leverage her SCARY FOREIGN MUSLIM status.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Groovelord Neato posted:

this has been the line since she first rose to prominence with making GBS threads on elliott abrams.


i've done this and they just ignore you. it's really cool the president is saying it now!

Yeah it never makes them question, but it feels good to dunk and call them inspector clouseu’s inbred cousin

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Angry_Ed posted:

Also the site's just a Mastodon fork apparently

An amazing opportunity for Mastodon devs to see a real world red team effort against their codebase.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

The only towels I’ve had that didn’t work were traveling in the Mediterranean. Italians and Greeks will give you a tablecloth to dry off with. Maniacs.

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selec
Sep 6, 2003

Casimir Radon posted:

You can certainly buy a cheap towel that doesn’t absorb worth a poo poo or falls to pieces the first time you wash it if not sooner. But I don’t trust Mikey to make a better one.

Or you can trick Americans by giving them table cloths and saying they’re a drat towel!!!

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