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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Modern Day Hercules posted:

It's loving stupid how bent out of shape some of you people get about kickstarters that you didn't even put any goddamn money towards. This poo poo has no effect on your life, I literally don't know how you can even care enough about it to get that worked up.

Remember when that one suburban teenager wanted several thousand dollars to buy a Macbook Pro just so he could write fantasy novels, even though he already had a regular laptop and had no actual previous writing to show off? And how the thread was full of Goons bragging about how they donated to him defending him became even though he didn't actually need it because they felt some sort of kinship towards this proto-Goon?

Good to know Goons have their priorities straight when it comes to what frivolous Kickstarters are worth defending and worthy demonizing :allears:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

A Steampunk Gent posted:

The difference being that it was a really obvious scam that no-one here fell for and was clearly done by a desperate and unstable person. Denis Dyack asking for $1.5m to 'develop' a 'game' is worthy of outrage and ridicule, the dude who ran Lore was Dunning-Krueger effect incarnate and arrogant enough he deserved most of the crap he got, with this lady, it's was a stupid and ill-conceived idea yes, but it was also just to raise cash for what was clearly going to be a life-saving operation considering her subsequent suicide attempt. This lining up to judge her and loudly announce that she's lost your oh-so-valuable 'sympathy' is really nasty and callous, sure she nearly died and is stuck in a loathsomely miserable situation but she deceived me on a subject I had no interest in and had intention to donate to, so she can rot in hell for all I care. This is a sad and nearly tragic mess of a situation and I'd hope people would be more concerned with supporting this woman and helping her avoid another suicide attempt than pillorying her for attempting to raise money for what is evidently vital surgery.

"I watched that one episode of South Park so I'm fully qualified to say that SRS is an elective, unnecessary surgery people undertake because they think that changing their gender will just magically fix all their problems."

-The Internet

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
You guys are forgetting the best one:



It's an ad for Bushmaster, the company that manufactures the semiautomatic rifle that was used to massacre a bunch of actual elementary school students in Newtown. :doh:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

pathetic little tramp posted:

And he seriously thinks it's a selling point that he says he'll have retarded people assemble his ice mitts. It's not a joke project, holy poo poo.

Considering that most KickStarter projects outsource their manufacturing to Chinese sweatshops this actually is a pretty decent selling point.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

senrath posted:

So, while the kickstarter itself isn't really awful, DoubleFine's Massive Chalice kickstarter has added support for pledging with bitcoins.

The Humble Indie Bundle has been accepting them for a while too, but considering that Linux neckbeards are some of their biggest contributors and part of their gimmick is appealing to the :tinfoil: crowd who hate Steam it makes a little more sense.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

TTBF posted:

I think this has less to do with developers being confused about value and more to do with developers not wanting to piss off the people who paid $90 to their Kickstarter for early access. If they then turn around and give other people early access for less than $90, those backers would very justifiably be upset.

Just like how nobody sells tote bags for less than $50 for fear of pissing of NPR donors.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Jedit posted:

A 32" plush. It's a loving Slenderman body pillow, isn't it? There are people who will be frotting Slenderman.

Any excuse to mention that the Kickstarter for GOTY Barkley 2 just finished manufacturing one of their rewards:



Cyberdwarf body pillow :kimchi:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

PostNouveau posted:

Hmmm, the PUA book advocates sexual assault, while the begging mother is tacky. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other really.

But one pisses off misogynists while the other encourages them, so guess which one is getting the most outrage?

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

NESguerilla posted:

It's funny to me how many people try to turn the iphone into a huge monstrosity of bolts and rubber. Isn't part of the appeal the fact that it isn't the size of a phone from 10 years ago and it fits into your pocket comfortably ? They aren't even that fragile. I have owned most versions of the iPhone ,have never used a case and every one looked nearly brand new once I decided to sell it.

According to his biography, Steve Jobs was ridiculously pissed off at the fact that after spending all this time obsessing over the design of the iPhone people were just slapping clunky, garish cases onto it and ruining it.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Except 99% of them aren't art projects, they're just print on demand playing cards with stupid pictures slapped on the back.

Also because every print on demand site has a playing card option so KS isn't needed. Even Bicycle allows it.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

FadedReality posted:

I have to believe the guy who made the Lore KS has some sort of brain damage. :psyduck:

He did. IIRC that was why the mockery died off, he's a legit mentally ill/disabled person.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Some people want to buy the IPs that Atari owns. Not a bad idea in and of itself, but of course it's Flexible Funding so they get to keep all the money they get whether or not they raise enough to actually buy anything.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Srice posted:

With the budget ballooning like that (and the game being pushed back to 2015) I can really understand why Tim Schafer has trouble getting funding from publishers for adventure games, and it's certainly not because publishers are unwilling to fund anything in the genre.

The narrative that game designers are all brilliant, flawless, wide-eyed geniuses who would create perfect games when left to their own devices but are ruined by the stuffy, inept publishers greedily push games out the door unfinished is really childish and naive and it irritates me how widespread and accepted it is in the gaming community.

This is a thing that Tim Schafer has a history of doing. Grim Fandango killed the adventure game genre because it was a bloated and expensive project running on a custom engine and the numbers for adventure games just weren't there to make up for that kind of expenditure. Psychonauts was originally being published by Microsoft as an Xbox exclusive but it went over budget and past deadline and they dropped the project, where it was picked up by Majesco. Brumlautal Legend was an Activision joint that got dropped, again, because it went over budget and kept missing deadlines, and EA swooped in to let them polish what they had finished and push a game missing a good deal of content out the door.

Making small self-published games seemed to have been working well for them, but dangling all that Kickstarter money in front of Schafer seems to have reverted him back to his old ways. He even admits in the beginning of the update that this happened because of his inability to reign himself in and instead pushing for the game to be bigger and more epic in scope rather than reigning themselves in and working within their means.

TheJoker138 posted:

Doublefine is a company with multiple teams.

Be that as it may, it's still really scummy that they've known about this problem for a while now but conspicuously kept it from the public until right after their second Kickstarter ended.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

KittyLitter posted:

Edit : As a side note, I've noticed more and more authors referring to themselves via their initials. It all started with C.S. Lewis, then J.R.R. Tolkien. Now you have your J.K. Rowling and your G.R.R. Martin... All great authors, to be sure.

:eng101: Being published as J.K. Rowling was a conscious decision to avoid having a gendered name on the cover, since at the time female authors were considered a tougher sell in YA fiction since it was assumed that boys wouldn't read something written by a girl. See also: K.A. Applegate

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Bloodnose posted:

Yeah that's a pretty great pitch video. And the game actually came out. On time. Within its budget. It's the first Kickstarter game to actually do that, right?

It's not really that amazing an accomplishment considering that its competition are people making entirely new games from scratch with complex gameplay systems and tons of new art while all LSL Reloaded had to do was copy-paste some 30 year-old jokes and draw new pictures for them.

Wired wrote a pretty good article about Leisure Suit Larry Reloaded and how the final product is brought down by being "one giant kickstarter reward" at the expense of having a cohesive tone and art style.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Fauxtool posted:

its funimation/tokyopop, but pretty much same thing

gently caress you Tak, Iggy, and those slammin' drifts

Just go full retard and make shirts about how the 3d pig-disgusting fujoshi want to take away your moe, it's not like they could possibly isolate their audience any further as-is.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
You know what a city that is still recovering from billions of dollars in hurricane damage needs? A pool in the middle of a river!

I love the pages and pages of CGI renders and marketing buzzwords compared to the one small paragraph three quarters of the way down where they admit that so far all they've done is do is a small filtration test and that this might not actually work at all. Or the stinger that even if its technologically feasible they have no idea whether or not they can even get permits for the thing.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Verdugo posted:

It's funny how they suspended the tentacle kickstarter (both of them) quickly but let the PUA manual run its full course before recanting it.

To be fair, the actual objectionable rape-y stuff was posted offsite on Reddit and only went mainstream in the final days of the Kickstarter.

Sigma-X posted:

Why does everyone get upset about the "No 'fund my life'" rule being 'violated' by certain projects that are producing things? When someone says "I need X amount of money from this project so I can live" they're basically asking for a salary so this can be their job.

Can someone explain their reasoning (with an example of a bad one?) to me? It's not something I really understand - it seems very reasonable to me to expect that if you want to be a professional "whatever" developer that you'd want developing that project to pay like a job.

I'm with you. The "fund my life" rule is there to eliminate the outright begging (see: every other kickstarter knockoff, which is full of sob stories about rent needing to be paid and surgery not being covered).

The General posted:

It's only okay to do that right now is because there isn't really any competition. Should somebody release a less lovely KS, then they might be in trouble. As it is they don't really enforce the rules they have set out. It seems/is arbitrary, and I'm betting that eventually it will bite them in the rear end.

"Kickstarter is cool, but I wish that it was harder to get onto and my project was more likely to be rejected!" said nobody, ever.

Kickstarter's only competition is from less scrupulous sites like Indiegogo that feed off of KS' detritus. There's no reason for them to turn away projects based on their personal, subjective feelings of merit because they would just wind up going to another site.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Manifest posted:

I guess I'm a horrible poo poo-bird because Chris Chan has never stopped being fascinating to me.

The problem is that the people harassing him eclipsed him in patheticness and insanity. Having a boy whose voice hasn't changed pretend to be a girl on the phone so he can coerce a mentally ill adult into having sex with a body pillow, and then rationalize it as "helping" him or the man "deserving" it is infinitely worse and inexcusable.

That kickstarter is an abomination because it's enabling criminal harassment by lovely basement-dwellers, not because it give Chris attention.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Lodin posted:

Give Spike Lee 1.250.000 Dollars because Veronica Mars got shitloads and he needs it to make... something. I couldn't get further into the video.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spikelee/the-newest-hottest-spike-lee-joint

If Warner Bros. can make millions off of crowdfunding for a dormant IP I don't see why Spike Lee shouldn't get a slice of that pie to make something unique. Unlike most KS film projects that need crowdfunding because they're too niche or too bad for traditional funding, I can honestly believe that Lee has some great movies in him that studios won't fund because

Even if you buy into the whole "black activists are the real racists :smug:" talking point that gets thrown around every time he comments on anything or you find movies like Bamboozled to be preachy, the dude made Do The Right Thing and When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts which puts him streets ahead of just about every other film talent that has turned to Kickstarter so far.

QwertyAsher posted:

I always wonder how someone like that gets caught up in this sort of thing. I work with actors a lot, and they've generally got a really finely tuned scam radar after a couple years in the industry, where they can tell if a job is going to fail to utterly put food on their table or if they're going to end up in a weird porn film.

Maybe they're fans? Cosplay culture is weird, fans will spend thousands of dollars on costumes and dedicate god knows how much time and effort and money to fan films even when they know that it will get C&D'd to oblivion whenever they try and show them at conventions or sell them.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Rapdawg posted:

I don't know his checking account but shouldn't Spike Lee be able to produce this himself? Like, I'm a failed project creator so everything I say is a little off, but it makes me angry when people with industry connections make Kickstarters- it makes me sad that money did not go into other projects from talented people without those connections. Also, that it is not my money but that be the selfish side of me. Anyhow, just an update on my Awful Kickstarter, I know more what it means to be a boss now and in three days will begin my re-organization smart n' hard working plan. The first part of this is discussing with my team the plan and buying really really really cheap mock ups of the backgrounds I want and one really really cheap portrait of each character blank faced for place holders- then programming the game so that it goes from scene to scene right, then sending off to editors what is written to revise, revise, revise and finally plug in till I have a demo.

Back on point- when I started with no connections I sent out 40 letters and countless emails to reach out, I got four responses if you include Penny Arcade's amazing two responses. Spike Lee has his own production company, can he really not round up the cash himself?

Just a friendly piece of advice, don't solicit advice and donations and then post in a way that might make people reconsider donating.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Minor update on American McGee's rebooted kickstarter (10 days to go and still only barely halfway funded): he registered to Reddit to promote his Kickstarter and has been obsessively self-searching and passive-aggressively picking fights with anybody who says anything bad about him or his project. The dude is even more punchable than I imagined.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

OrganizedInsanity posted:

I do find it hilarious you can make something like that considering all you're getting is a doll probably rejected from the factory line for being too disproportionate and tacking a suit on it.

If this were a wacky feelgood movie the factory would think they had made a mistake and put faces on the faceless Slenderman dolls but then everything would turn out OK in the end because kids love Splendorman.

Elissia posted:

I have to say, as dumb as the Man-PACK is, I love when a product is marketed at men who are insecure about the size of their dick and threatened by the thought that a messenger bag might be called a PURSE OH GOD and is then successful. Maybe even more than when it's a failure.

Hold the loving phone, you mean that gun nuts are insecure?! :monocle:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Maluco Marinero posted:

You probably didn't learn to wall jump Super Metroid by accident, even though you could've done so at any point in the game, you probably did it going through their specifically crafted set piece which made it crystal clear that you could do it, and roughly how to do it.

There's a two-minute scene in Indie Game: The Movie that conveys this point perfectly well without an obnxious, affected YouTube Personality.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

As evil as this is, what's even worse is that actual professional film studios are doing this exact same drat thing and almost nobody cares aside from the actual VFX artists.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Harry "fat neckbearded ginger babyman compared Blade 2 to cunnilingus how is this man still relevant" Knowles wants $100,000 to make an internet movie review series.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Autechresaint posted:

Well, at any rate, at least 50 people could potentially discover the thick stench that hangs around Knowles that the rest of us who have been to an Alamo Drafthouse premiere have been able to experience. I've sat several rows behind the dude over the course of several occasions, and it wafts and lingers.. it is positively nauseating.

Knowles has been open about the fact that he wears adult diapers to movie marathons so he doesn't have to miss a moment, so I'm not surprised.

Seriously, :nms:Harry Knowles is a disgusting human being:nms:. He almost single-handedly porpagated the talking point that the girl in Heroes was a perma-virgin because her regenerative powers meant she would re-grow her hymen endlessly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tyGzeYrgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhnoxUqmZH4

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

OrganizedInsanity posted:

I will never fail to be astounded at the number of people that will probably pre-order the game in an unironic effort to support women in gaming

This, only the people who pledge to Kickstarters not because they like the project but in the name of supporting crowdsourcing in general. It was a total :psyduck: for me to read the VGHS season 2 KS thread and see pages of people going "I didn't actually like VGHS season 1, but I'm giving you money anyways because I support crowdasourcing :)"

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

MVega posted:

I just made my own awful campaign if anyone is interested in helping me out. I'll take any reasonable advice or requests.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/give-me-a-bunch-of-money

Regrettably I really suck at the funny lately. How would you improve it?

Live life with a modicum of sincerity and actually expend effort towards improving yourself rather than wallowing in a quagmire of irony where everything you do sucks but, like, you know it sucks so that makes it funny haha.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Zybourne Clock posted:

Give me 2000 dollars so I can cover my studio floor in gravel. Somehow this will magically make him a better artist, because it reprograms his subconsciousness or something. Personally I hope that when his year of living on gravel is over he comes to the conclusion that it didn't help him make any better art, and that what he really needed to become better was to have three hungry tigers lurking around his house.

I love it when aspiring artists try and ascribe their lack of inspiration/output/talent to external factors like this. Like when a wanna-be writer swears that once they get an old-timey typewriter and a cool desk they'll be inspired instead of just sitting down and loving writing. Or the aspiring artist who has zero handle on perspective and anatomy but swears that their problem is that they don't have a tablet.

VVVVVV Sweet, so it's like an even more transparently scammy version of those Who's Who In Poetry books that every oblivious, well-meaning English teacher in the country has pushed on their students at one point or another.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

wa27 posted:

3D is a fad that won't be around much longer

Even if this is true (it wasn't more half a decade ago when it first started and it still isn't now), if you want to show new films you pretty much have to upgrade to 3d because studios mandate that you show a certain number of 3d screenings if you want to get the film at all. Same with digital, studios have been phasing out physical 35MM film in favor of digital film on copy-protected hard drives for years.

Even if you don't like it, the studios have drawn the line in the sand and the writing has been on the wall for years.


wa27 posted:

I don't even know the visual difference between a "digital presentation" and a 35mm print

Side By Side is a pretty accessible and entertaining explanation of the differences between digital and film.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

FreudianSlippers posted:

Spike Lee is sometimes a bit of douche but a lot of it's is blown hugely out of proposition because of his image in the media as the "angry black director". Also Do the Right Thing is one of the best films of all time so if he wants to talk poo poo he's earned it.

Basically everybody thinks that one Family Guy joke was 100% accurate and anytime he candidly says something negative or critical in an interview it gets blown up as "whoa angry black man on the warpath!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19Y98jmh0E

It was just a well put-together campaign all together. The rewards were fantastic, for less than $20 you get stuff like signed copies of his books and posters and you only have to pay $20 to see the movie. Unlike, say, Veronica Mars.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Fatkraken posted:

She's exploiting her gender (and that of her daughter), I don't think a man would have been able to do a comparable campaign

He probably could have, the difference is that Men's Rights people are literal, SPLC-recognized hate groups while women actually are systematically discriminated against and disadvantaged in society as a whole.

Also if a dad had jokingly declared that he was making his daughters publically apologize to his son for teasing him over liking something feminine you'd have a lot less childless 20-something goons/parenting experts hyperbolically declaring it psychological abuse.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Nubile Hillock posted:

Also I want to remind everyone this is what him and his wife look like in the comics:



Still less ridiculous than Penny Arcade and their wives.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Blue Moonlight posted:

Here is what always amazes me about godawful Flash games like this. They make their assets in MS Paint, move them over to Flash, and then proceed to publish with the worst possible JPEG compression. That's ignoring that they could have done whatever they did in MS Paint in the Flash IDE itself and then not have compression at all.

Don't forget that Braid (the best-selling Game That Matters) originally looked like this:



Not every indie game designer has a war chest to hire an artist to dress up their game before they get funds.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Remember Hardware, the spiritual successor to Homeworld? Well, after running a successful crowdfunding campaign they turned around and went to Gearbox for even more funding in exchange for making concessions in game design elements to Gearbox :ughh:

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Toffile posted:

Is there a Knowles schadenfreude thread in CD or something?

All I know about Knowles is that hr was fat disabled rear end in a top hat.

I feel like I'm missing something.

His review of Blade 2 is a pretty succinct example of how terrible he is as a writer, a critic, a human being.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
WayForward games just launched a Kickstarter for the third game in their Shantae series. I don't know why such a hugely prolific and successful studio would have to turn to crowdfunding for an established franchise...oh wait, free money. Right.

It's also kind of funny how they whitewashed Shantae compared to the older games.

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Maera Sior posted:

The Tiny Inconspicuous Handcuff Key, for when you're unlawfully restrained. Proudly made in the USA! :patriot:

I love imagining some guy sitting in his bed in the middle of the night, wide-awake, his safe full of guns and drawer full of tactical accouterments not buying him an ounce of peace. His mind races, playing over every possible situation in which he could be vulnerable, poring over what new product will help him overcome it, sure that this time the weapon or gadget he buys will finally bring him safety and peace of mind.

"But what if the police the UN a totally random and unlawful criminal were to get past my defenses and handcuff me? poo poo, I'll need to make a wearable handcuff key. And what if I'm at the beach and I get attacked and I don't have my gun with me? Now I need a tactical baseball cap so I can bludgeon any would-be attackers. Oh god, was that rustling outside the wind or someone hiding in the bushes? I better get a bed-mounted shotgun rack in case they attack me before I can get my handgun out of the bedside table. poo poo, better get two, never know what direction I'll need to grab one from..."

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Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Local Resident posted:

They sound pretty much the same, but one has a slightly warmer presence.

How many thousand-dollar cables do you own?

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