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Mantle
May 15, 2004

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

I can solve a Rubik’s cube. Put this in skills section yea or no?

Write a paper on your solution and put it in your publications section

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Mantle
May 15, 2004

VelociBacon posted:

Thanks thread for the help getting up to speed with resume/cv/references stuff. Was offered the position today at a higher salary than I was expecting. They actually offered it as a permanent position instead of the temporary which for various reasons shuts some doors for me for no reason so I emailed back and I'm expecting them to be okay with me taking it as a temp position. Thanks again.

I'm trying to imagine how a permanent offer from the employer shuts doors for the employee? The permanence only restricts the employer in the sense that they have obligations if they want to terminate your employment-- as an employee you are still free to quit whenever you want.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

VelociBacon posted:

It's complicated healthcare union stuff, right now I work full time at the bedside as a respiratory therapist. It's a union job, it's my own permanent full time line. This other job, clinical informatics specialist, if I take it as a temporary assignment (it would have no end date because it's an ongoing project and can be transitioned to permanent pretty much any time), they have to keep my ownership of the respiratory therapy line I have currently. Even if I'm working in this other job for 4 years they still have to always give me the option to go back and take my RT line. So if something changes with the project, or RTs start to make what we should make (unlikely), I can not only just go back to that job if I want, I can also use that as a bargaining chip to increase the salary in the specialist role.

Ah this makes sense. I have a friend in a similar situation taking a temporary RCMP job while keeping a hold on the previous role at ICBC.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

I'm a non-trad career switcher into software dev after a 10 year career as a lawyer.

I'm looking for some opinions on my resume and whether it is reasonable for me to target an IC role in the 160-200k USD range. In my transition period 3 years ago, I had a lot of success winning hackathons but my sense is more professional experience I gain, the less meaningful hackathon wins are. In terms of team leadership, I'm getting into more mentoring and knowledge sharing responsibilities at work but I am not really sure how to quantify the impact.

My LinkedIn profile goes into more detail.

Appreciate any opinions and suggestions.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BMSsDJWGuqSMj1FVgdiC9Zd1kflbvVM4/view?usp=sharing

Mantle
May 15, 2004

CarForumPoster posted:

I'd flag your resume as "suspicious for bullshit".

You're right, I've made some tradeoffs on the "bullshit" scale in order to tell my story in one page.

For example, I technically don't have a J.D. because I got my law degree (LL.B) in Canada prior to 2011, after which time Canadian universities switched to awarding J.D.s in order to align with US law degrees. It's functionally the same since I can pay $100 to do a degree conversion and have a new certificate issued. I don't think it's worth using space to get into this level of detail for non-law jobs.

Prior to 2012, I worked 100% in law, but I've dropped this off my resume because it's not tech related.

quote:

Following this line of thought, it looks like you have 3 years of experience as an engineer and 7 years of working as a lawyer where you worked in side coding projects to your job.

This is closer to reality and I think the story is much more clear on my LinkedIn profile since I actually go into detail about what I was doing in my hybrid roles. I think I'll check out the goon resume service to see if I can better get the story across without setting off bullshit alarms.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

CarForumPoster posted:

Think about what your story is.

[...]

You want to be unique...but more like 1 in 1,000 unique...not 1 in a 1,000,000 unique.

I've made some changes to how I'm presenting the info to show a more coherent story and remove some of the bullshit smells. I worked with Danny in the resume help thread for a few sessions to make some changes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FrAu5S3mJFtCEZZf3J3QoOgctL7ZJhbE/view?usp=sharing

The biggest changes are getting rid of the summary section and skills section, instead attaching the technologies used to specific roles.

Instead of a summary, I'm trying to let my experience tell the story:

I've always been a technical person, I've studied CS at university but I explored being a lawyer instead for 10 years. In my last lawyer job, I started delivering some software applications and technical projects and then decided to go all in on software dev in 2019. I took a boot camp and entered and won several hackathons. Since then I've been working as a developer and a boot camp mentor.

JD conversion is on the way.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Covok posted:



Last one for tonight. This is based on the "simplify it" approach.


I successfully made a career shift from lawyer to software dev. I think the most important thing when making a pivot is to make your resume and cover letter laser focused on creating a narrative that guides the reader into understanding where you came from, where you are now, and how getting the role you are seeking is the logical next step in your plan.

Right now I am not understanding what your narrative is based on your resume.

When I first started applying to dev jobs, I was used to having 10 years of lawyer experience filling up two pages and tried to get dev interviews from my resume by showing I had this wealth of experience + a bootcamp.

What I found to be more engaging to hiring managers was to tell a story.

My narrative is that I've always been a terminally online computer nerd that explored a career in law. I always wanted to work in a tech culture but never had the opportunity to find a full time law job in a tech environment. I decided to try to scratch that itch by refreshing the dev skills I had in high school and undergrad and applying them to my corporate law job. I achieved X, Y, Z by building software to automate my practice and wanted to continue developing my career in that direction. I didn't have a path forward to do so at that company so I decided to take a boot camp. I successfully completed the boot camp and am looking for my first dev job.

I cut, cut, cut, cut everything that wasn't related to the narrative I was trying to tell. I can comfortably tell a story about transitioning from lawyer to dev in 1 page even with 10+ years of experience. (Bonus: I think being able to cut is a heavily underrated skill)

Mantle
May 15, 2004

There's no advantage being taken here, goons like to help goons.

Basically you've said you are trying to get away from accounting but you haven't told us why or what you want to do instead. Think about your elevator pitch, how to capture the interest of a hiring manager you bump into in two sentences. What would you say?

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Covok posted:

Weird thought, but should my resume mention that I am an Eagle Scout? I know it sounds silly, but that used to matter to some people. I doubt it matters anymore, but I used to have it on my resume and I am curious if anyone cares about that stuff anymore.

This kind of thing where I think the reader might care but not enough to use up a line in my resume I might try to work it into my narrative in the cover letter. There would have to be a concrete reason why I thought the reader might care though.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Quackles posted:

That's actually really non-trivial.

If you're doing it with water, you can just use "a pint's a pound the world around" and go 2 cups = pint = pound = 16 oz and conclude one cup = 8 oz.

However, if what you're measuring has a different density than water, it might be lighter or heavier for the same volume.

Wtf? A pint is 20oz by law.

https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/h_lm00007.html

Mantle
May 15, 2004

dpkg chopra posted:

I feel like that's not special enough for to gamble on a hiring manager being willing to look at more than one sheet?

Are there billions of openings in the field that she is applying? If so, I would prioritize information gathering at first and avoid getting into premature optimization. Try sending out 2 pagers for a month and see what the response rate is. If it doesn't seem good, then try the one pager.

Mantle
May 15, 2004


I bet you could get this down to a 1 pager. You're repeating yourself a lot and using a lot of words when you could just rely on your bullet points. For example, you mention Ccure 800/9000 three times on the first page.

I would try to get rid of your first two sections, then get rid of all the paragraph-style summaries under each job, and incorporate your keywords into the bullet points.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Golden Bee posted:

Does anyone have any advice on getting inbound linkedin traffic? I followed some guides but nothing seems to have been made since 2019. It’s obvious that you get farther from people seeking you out, but I retooled, fixing stuff up, added keywords, and went from five weekly views to 20.

:justpost:

Interacting with stuff on your feed will show up on others' feeds. Even just liking things. The best way is to write broetry, or just write about stuff you're working on or what you've learned.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Summary sections are different than objectives right? I know the OP says no objectives but should I have a summary? Especially for a career change resume. What should I highlight in summary section if yes

I think having a summary section is ok for the limited purpose of telling a narrative that you have no way of communicating via your work experience, like when you are a career switcher.

You want to keep it short. Its purpose is to just convince your reader to be interested in your experience.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:

I'm trying to apply for a non-profit gig and I have no experience in the sector. How do I make messing around with Photoshop for SA sound good?
The posting.

I know I'm a little out of depth in terms of not having gone to college, but it sounds like an intern/student level position.


Where I'm at with my cover letter:


I'm on mobile so I haven't looked to deeply but I think you're worrying too much about the Photoshop thing. The posting is really looking for some sort of marketing coordinator with basic tech literacy. That should be how you frame yourself, not as a cell phone sales guy with some marketing experience.

I did a bit of digging on Lynn Trinh and she has a pretty big professional footprint online. I would try to figure out from that what kind of person she would like to work with. Your experience at the fringe festival and streaming is what I would lead with.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Covok posted:

Here is an odd question: my brother really, desperately wants me to go with him and the family on a disney vacation in August. Normally, I never take vacations, only staycations and I'd never take a day off within three months of joining a company, let alone a Wednesday to a Tuesday. How do you broach that subject while looking for a job?

I've never had an issue with talking about preplanned time off during the offer stage. By that time you should have them on the hook. Who knows, maybe your offer doesn't even come until after August.

Worst case scenario, you just tell your brother in July that sorry you got a job and don't want to go and you're out the cost of the trip, or you pay for refundable tickets/hotels etc.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

McCracAttack posted:

What's the most reliable way to get a "burner" phone number for job hunting? I don't know that I want Indeed.com blasting my personal cell number out to whoever. I get enough spam calls. I mean, I'll put with them for the job hunt but I want to be able to burn that bridge once I'm done.

For Americans I'd just use a Google Voice number. I don't have one so I bought a DID from voip.ms and forward it to my cell and give that out.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Gothmog1065 posted:

Is it generally assumed you should have your webcam on in interviews? Our company does not use webcams for meetings, and my personal pc doesn't have one normally hooked up. The first interview nobody on the team has theirs on except the manager. He asked for a second, and it seems I did well except I didn't have my camera on.

Our company does cam off in screening calls to reduce bias. I also think it's low stakes early in the process to let a scammer through. In later rounds I think it would be weird to have cam off as interviewee. It is weird for interviewer to have camera off in later rounds.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

For career switchers, it's really important to nail down your narrative of why you are switching and how it makes sense to the listener that you are switching. It should be explainable in two sentences.

I've seen a lot of people with backgrounds in school education do well moving into corporate training type roles. What are you targeting?

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Trickortreat posted:

Thank you for the feedback. It's all very helpful.

Is there a trick to answering the "Why do you want to work here" question without sounding like a company shill or a brown-noser? Where do you even draw the line?

I like to turn this around into me interviewing the company. I'll say the genuine things I'm interested in as presumptions, like I'm interested in because you're a smaller company and in my experience I've enjoyed the autonomy and culture of experimentation in those environments. That's what I would be looking for in this role. How do those values fit into your company culture?

This also is ok for me because I don't have a mortgage or dependents so I'm not in a position where I'm forced to take a job I don't want. That's part of the macro strategy of finding a good job.

E: I think this works because it demonstrates I have a vision of a place that I want to work at and a direction I am going. It makes it easy for the interviewer to form a strong impression on me, positive or negative. If it's negative, I really don't want to work there. If it's positive, that works in my favour over another greyman generic candidate.

Mantle fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jul 7, 2023

Mantle
May 15, 2004

This is a place where I would just write "exceeded". You did it at least once and no one is going to grill you on the details. If you get the opportunity to talk about it, the focus is not going to be on whether you exceeded x number of times or whether you always exceeded or were sometimes below. You can drive the conversation about when you exceeded, it was because you did A B and C, and what changes you did to do A B and C more often and how you shared your techniques for A B and C with your team to make them more effective etc.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

quote:

Automated scraping of court opinions from U.S. Federal Courts websites; eliminated 120 hours of manual work per week.

I think this is uses more interesting action verbs and shortens the sentences.

In general, I think being able to write a lower reading level is an important skill in technical writing. It makes things easier for the reader.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Lockback posted:

Well, companies hire people in Latin America because they don't want to pay US salaries. So you're probably not going to get a job at a US salary in Latin America, even if you have a US passport. That said, having a US passport is a plus so that helps.

You want to pivot to IT, what education/skills/certs do you have?

I have friends living in LATAM making USD working developer jobs for US companies as LATAM nationals. One of them works for X-Team.

It's low-end US developer money (USD$7k/mo), but it goes a HELL of a long way in LATAM. The key skill is being able to speak English at a professional level.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Magnetic North posted:

Please forgive the double post.

Here's an screener/ interview question: What do you do if they refuse to move on until you say a number? Had that happen today. After a while I just hung up. I'd like to practice some more flim-flam to potentially leave them on the hook or coax them past it, though I consider it an incredibly bad sign so maybe it's just not worth the bother. If they care that much they are clearly trying to gently caress me.

I also might need to start leading with this instead of it happening after trying to describe my career to an uninterested drone for 25 minutes. Stop wasting my motherfucking time.

The more you practice flim-flam the better you get at it. I like to turn the tables and respond with a question (like a politician): I don't have a number in mind right now, what's the range for this role? There are other more important factors that I need to know first, can you tell me more about this aspect of the business or the culture? Oh that's confidential? Yeah I'd like to know more about that before making any decision.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Lockback posted:

If its generic then yeah it's probably worthless.

A cover letter that you use to send to the all jobs is probably going to be not very useful. That's not a criticism, it's what you mostly get when you ask for a cover letter.

If you take time and craft one purposefully for that job, you want to show why your skills are a fit and that you've done a bit of research into that particular job. You can't do that for every job you apply for, but if you want to maximize your chances you should be doing that for jobs that looks like particularly good fits or dream jobs when they ask for a cover letter.

If you want to post your cover here we can tell you if it's actively hurting you but most likely it's fluff if you use it generically.

I think there is a middle ground between generic and custom-- I've had good success asking ChatGPT to create semicustom cover letters for me based on the job description and my resume. Even if I don't use the output directly, it gives me a good base to tweak.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Extra row of tits posted:

Forgive the blatant crossposting..

I'm hoping there is a teacher or early childhood teacher around i can bother with this.. This is a paragraph in my cover letter for a job, this is what I want it to say

"I have always had an affinity with children and am able to form a bond with them quite easily. I make them feel safe and am fun to play with"

Now how do I say this without sounding like Jared from Subway?

ChatGPT did a pretty good job:

This is a paragraph in my cover letter for a job, this is what I want it to say

"I have always had an affinity with children and am able to form a bond with them quite easily. I make them feel safe and am fun to play with"

Now how do I say this without sounding like Jared from Subway?

ChatGPT
Certainly, it's important to phrase your statement in a professional and appropriate manner. Here's a revised version:

"I possess a natural rapport with children, establishing connections effortlessly. My ability to create a secure and enjoyable environment ensures that children feel comfortable and engaged in various activities."

Mantle
May 15, 2004

If the concern is timing the loops so that you get offers at the same time, you're wayyyy too early to be anxious about that. You're basically at the same stage with both companies, plus you have time to speed up one loop or slow down another when you schedule your later rounds.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

I'm entering the final round of interviews at a company that is my 3rd choice but is still miles ahead of my current company, and I am still in middle interviewing stages at my 1st and 2nd choice companies.

I want to slow play the 3rd choice so it lines up that if I do get an offer, the timing lines up with my 1st and 2nd choice because I don't want to lose the opportunity to jump from my current company. I have a decent chance at one of my better choice companies because I used to work there and am on good terms with them.

Should I try to slow play it now or later if I get an offer? Or try to get the 1st and 2nd companies to speed up? Any other course of action that I haven't considered? Accept and reneg (burn the bridge) if I get my 1st or 2nd choice offer?

E: after writing this out, it feels like the best thing to do is to try to get an offer first, and then try to slow play it, but if it looks like I have to make a decision, then accept and reneg if a better offer comes.

Mantle fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Mar 13, 2024

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I interviewed for my first choice a month ago and have not heard anything back. Is it worth sending an email to see if I have been ghosted or if they're just the slowest employer on the planet?

It could always be slower. I applied for a military job in May 2022, called for final interview Nov 2023 and am still waiting for a decision.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

This month a goon I had never interacted with posted their company was hiring and I asked for a coffee chat over zoom to learn more. It ended up with a referral to apply and skip directly to technical interview round.

Use every connection you have to get an advantage. It doesn't always work, but it works better than cold applying.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

So one thing about cold reachouts is that you want to make it easy for them to want to respond to you. Find the ones at the ebike company that have a career history that matches where you are currently, and tell them you're where they used to be and want to know how they made it to where they are now. People love to talk about what they did to be successful, give them the opportunity.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Figured I might send a post-interview thank you note for once. Anything in particular that should go in one?

I like to write something to the effect of:

Hi Hr Person, thanks so much for coordinating the interview with the team. I really enjoyed meeting with Person A and Person B and learning about the Project they are working on. I look forward to blah blah etc...

This way I have a written and searchable record of who I met with and what we discussed. This can come in handy when you're in multiple concurrent loops to keep track of who is who.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Shrieking Muppet posted:

Sorry if this isn't the best thread but are there any job search sites worth a drat nowadays? Any time I put something like analytical development into one of these sites I am getting a mixture of general contractor roles for housing developments or art director that needs to be analytical.

I think LinkedIn is still the best. If you're not finding results by searching job title, try to find keywords that would be specific to the role that you want.

For example, when I was searching for "privacy engineer" titled jobs, I was finding a lot of compliance-related work which is not what I wanted. I got much better results when I started searching for "privacy by design" as that keyword does not commonly show up in compliance roles.

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Dirty Beluga posted:

I thought four pages is a bit much as well, however its hard to fit as many things as i've done one or two pages.

Good call on showing the leadership stuff through work... though, I've gotten positions from the volunteer section and hiring managers being interested in me because of the places listed...

I'm hesitant to ditch it entirely, always assumed seeing volunteer works helps stand out as well as get it across i am not an unpleasant cave troll to be around / give back to the community.

If you feel that strongly about it you can just put a one liner in your summary about your volunteer experience and delete the volunteer section, saving 3" of space.

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Mantle
May 15, 2004

Spambort posted:

Got laid off this past month at my first EE job due to the company not meeting delivery dates. I worked there for a year handling firmware for their products and was looking at advice on my resume. The kicker for me is the fault was earlier in the dev cycle so I never got to push *my* updated firmware and see it launch as well as provide the needed testing. My year there i did alot of documentation of the existing firmware as well as test and integrate new devices/code for the planned launch. I think not seeing the launch and only a year experience looks bad so any feedback welcomed. Im looking for another job in the same vein of EE/firmware dev

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NxvGwImpgM3x13L_XECTvc3SdYEPoXlH/view?usp=sharing

Your link is not publicly viewable. You should change permissions to "share to people that have link" if you want feedback here.

As a junior, your experience is what it is. Don't think it's bad in a vacuum. It's great compared to someone fresh out of school. One thing I've learned is that finding a job is about finding a match. If there's a company out there that is looking for a junior, YOU actually have a better shot at landing it than a senior applying for the same role. Don't beat yourself up trying to compete with seniors, focus on finding the right match.

Finally, I think Framework is an interesting company to work for and they are looking for firmware engineers. If you aren't a great fit right now, keep the criteria in mind and focus on gaining experience in the areas where you are lacking. https://jobs.lever.co/framework/36bcbf61-332d-4ab8-8c6d-20fffa1ef506

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