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China thread, I have a China question. I sometimes go to very authentic Chinese restaurants here that are so authentic that I have no idea what my Chinese friends are ordering, let alone what specific type of cuisine the place is - I just say, "IS IT SICHUAN?" and they say, "No." and I sigh. Recently, we were at one of these places run by really nice a Taiwanese immigrant and once the table and he got into Mandarin I was totally lost, but out came something I can only describe as a sandwich wrap. I recognize that sandwich wrap is unlikely to be a loanword in English, so I'm wondering if, by that kooky description, someone can identify it? Thing was excellent. Essentially, it seemed like a fairly sturdy flour crepe (I'm trying not to say tortilla here, okay), with thin slices of beef wrapped inside along with maybe strips of white onion and something like coriander. Oh and it was served with some kind of dipping sauce, I think. Either that or the dipping sauce was for something else and I ate it anyway, like a Thai person putting ketchup on all Western food or my dad with soy sauce. Does this ring a bell? SANDWICH WRAP \/\/\/ I don't know what LAN is, heh. I think I may have found the thing working through your search results. In English it seems to be called a "Shandong Beef Roll" which is probably at least one guy's name for his penis. Anyone know the approximate transliteration of this name? Because if I go into a Chinese restaurant in Thailand and order a "Shandong Beef Roll" it's going to end with me using Thai loanwords like "sanwit" and gesticulating a lot. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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caberham posted:whoa I started to point out to him that a few years ago the NTSB cited Americans being huge fatasses as the cause of a crash that resulted in the FAA changing the weight estimates for American passengers, but I figured I'd drop it.
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Jul 10, 2013 10:38
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Please don't get banned, SE asian travel thread is informative!
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Magna Kaser posted:I don't know what any of these acronyms mean. EDIT: Magna Kaser posted:I don't know what any of these acronyms mean.  I love food photos where you can see the other person taking a food photo in the food photo. It makes the circle of life complete. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Jul 10, 2013 11:31
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It's almost as if the SHANDONG BEEF ROLL isn't available in China. I'll have to go get the drat name for all you Chinaboos!
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Jul 10, 2013 18:29
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Excellent! So, to round this all out, is there a transliteration that I can pronounce being uneducated in the deciphering of hieroglyphs? It would be much appreciated 
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Jul 11, 2013 09:20
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Artist 1: Will they believe the teeth? Artist 2: We have our orders.
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Jul 15, 2013 04:06
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How can they possibly expect to sell that without little LVs emblazoned across the castle and characters' clothing?
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Jul 17, 2013 08:27
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Mongolia appears to be China's Indian reservation from what I can see here. Can you gamble legally and then buy crappy jewelry and comfortable shoes?
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Jul 18, 2013 02:27
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DontAskKant posted:It seems the thing to do is hire a driver or rent a motorcycle. I'm too cheap for a driver, don't know anyone there, and I don't know how to ride a motorcycle and riding and camping alone in the countryside doesn't sound wise.
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Jul 19, 2013 05:53
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Bring a box of Marlboro Reds and a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black. Job is yours.
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Jul 25, 2013 13:02
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DontAskKant posted:The bigger shock is... The Chinese can swim? I don't think I know any Koreans who can.
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Arglebargle III posted:I dunno. I've never been to a work party where people use their company authority to force other people to drink while they watch. I guess it might happen but I've never seen it in the U.S. and I have in fact been to company parties where people drink. I have also been to company events where this doesn't happen in China.
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Aug 1, 2013 13:18
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Baijiu should have instructions printed on the bottle about pouring it through a loaf of bread to strain it first.
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VideoTapir posted:Unless this agent came recommended to you by someone you trust and have good reason to trust, they're probably looking to screw you. Agents are scum. You guys must have the local telephone poll and cork board posting thing there. Private Snowball posted:So after 2 years in China I returned home to the West for my summer holiday. This place is strange and everyone is fat. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 09:46
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It varies by your specific connection sometimes, but the largely accurate rule in Asia is that international pipes to stuff in the States and Europe aren't so hot. This varies widely by country. As well, remember to keep a US bank account and credit card, because all kinds of territorial poo poo (like PayPal and iTunes) is keyed to the nationality of your bank account. Amazingly, companies like PayPal even make you open two accounts - yes, two accounts - with the same name and everything if you have a funding or deposit source from a different country.
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Aug 7, 2013 18:17
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Isn't he moving here to work as a game developer? This whole conversation is entertaining.
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That much of the discussion for the last few posts is about pirated games. I don't find this controversial living in the region, just entertaining. On a related note, I wonder if the Chinese gaming companies steal foreign gaming IP as studiously as Chinese heavy industry steals that kind of IP. I don't mean copying discs, I mean absconding with the IP internal to development. EDIT: "so" entertaining would be overstating. In the SE Asia thread we have a guy who is lugging giant infected balls around to various quacks who keep mud diagnosing him, so there are levels to this stuff. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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Aug 8, 2013 18:23
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Thanks for the info Magna!Magna Kaser posted:And don't forget the Chinese classic fighting game, Dong Dong Never Die.
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VideoTapir posted:Cloud computing, assuming they can suck enough govt cock to ensure quality of service My first thought about China would be that no foreign business would use Chinese-hosted cloud/SAAS apps. Also that the Chinese themselves wouldn't for the same reason, heh. If I were them, though, I'd go after the cloud CRM sector. It's horrendously bad and Salesforce dominance is a testament to just how bad it is. The problem I've run into in Asia - and not just Thailand - is that technology adoption of things like this that reduce cost and increase productivity is really tough because, "Oh, we already have Office" or whatever combined with an understandable distrust of hosted solutions in a world where technology is often iffy and the pesky issue of every manager just throwing cheap labor at problems. Change Management is a bitch of a field anywhere, but even getting existing large companies to evaluate changing over to more efficient, cloud based stuff in Asia has seemed like a real uphill battle. I have a friend who does this and makes quite a bit of money - almost all of it from Singapore and Australia. He's got a few clients here and there around Asia, but even with localization it's a really hard sell. The "throw more bodies at it" mindset for solving productivity is just too strong. I'll have to ask him if he's ever had any clients in China. I know he has in either Taiwan or Hong Kong, though. EDIT: Oops, relevance, the friend's SAAS product is related specifically to project management in technology, so obviously not applicable to a number of markets in Asia. China would be one, though. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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Bloodnose posted:Cathay is my favorite airline that flies out of HK for anything. But even setting that aside, I would not choose Hong Kong Airlines because they will literally cause you to explode and die. Catchment and marketing, though, has made Auntie Pacific the Hong Kong baby formula of airlines.
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Malaysia is fine, it gets good marks. Basically, most Asian flag carriers or major Asian carriers north of Indonesia are fine as long as they're not tiny, poor countries that shouldn't really have an airline. If you're flying Singapore, THAI, Malaysian, Cathay, JAL, ANA, Korea, EVA and so on you're going to have an experience that's 100,000 times better than every single American airline experience you've had and you will quickly understand why every American who lives abroad says, "Never fly an American legacy carrier - especially internationally." Don't fly Indonesia- or Philippines-based carriers for safety reasons (it takes a lot of work to get banned from EU/US), that's where the "North of Indonesia" comment comes from. Obviously there are some major carrier stinkers, especially in the more established economies up North like Taiwan and China. On a side note, this is a list everyone should keep handy: http://maphappy.org/2012/07/wine-the-ultimate-list-of-airlines-that-serve-free-alcohol/ ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Yeah, Singapore really is the single best airline in the world and it's obvious why once you fly. I mean when you get to the Etihad-Singapore level the distinction is pretty small, but compared to a US carrier? Yeah. You nailed the major thing. When you're spending 14-20 hours on a plane, service and things start to matter a lot. I used to take the direct flight from Bangkok to LA on THAI's long haul A340-500s and that was like 19 hours one way. If I'd had to take that on United I would've killed myself shortly after killing most of the horrendous cabin crew, but with a THAI cabin crew and policies it was completely tolerable. I've also done Singapore "direct" (which doesn't mean non-stop) from Singapore to Houston, which just happens to stop in Moscow. Obviously an energy industry route. Like 26 hours in a single plane with one brief deboarding in Moscow. Still, such great service and staff and food and IFE that who cares? ELBOWS AND KNEES HON! WATCH OUT! CART COMIN' THROUGH! ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Eat This Glob posted:After all that airline chat, I don't think I saw anyone mention the line I'll be flying: Hainan Airlines. Tickets bought and paid for, so I'm not going to be able to change that, but what can I expect for service? The longest stretch of flight is from Seattle to Beijing, and that's on an Airbus A330. Is my doughy, goony rear end going to be sardine canned into 10 inch wide seats?
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Chinese soups are the worst in that regard. If I ever again get someone smiling as they hand me a big bowl of black chicken (entire carcass, blackened) soup or the like, I swear. Also, what is the Asian (general) obsession with sticking objects too large to fit in your mouth in a soup? That drives me bonkers. Why have I got a vegetable that's 3 inches long and 1 inch in circumference in my soup bowl? Why is there an entire chicken leg?  There's not a plate to cut it on and a knife and a fork, so can we just have bite-sized poo poo in our soup?My other favorite - and I'm sure you guys have this too - are the soups with multiple ingredients that you're supposed to know not to eat. Like bamboo shoots or galanga or whatever. What genius came up with leaving that poo poo in the soup? Eating soups here is like a Candid Camera moment. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Aug 26, 2013 |
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MeramJert posted:Protip the black chickens are called Silkies and they literally have black skin, they're not blackened
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Arglebargle III posted:Don't be racist about chickens. They're black because they're born that way. Arglebargle III posted:Also where do people serve you soup with inedible bamboo?
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caberham posted:all the inedible parts EDIT: Also, when are you flying back through dirty Asia and not pretending to lose your phone upon falling in love with a waitress for the weekend? I AM JUST SAYING.
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DontAskKant posted:eat ... pizza with chopsticks EDIT: systran posted:I just use the plastic gloves that I wear to eat sandwiches when I eat pizza. caberham posted:I do want to go to SE Asia, but I'm itching for Singapore. Yes, I know I'm boring ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Aug 26, 2013 |
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Aug 26, 2013 19:51
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Was the chain attached to a bowl, atop which the chopsticks were perched just so?
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Aug 29, 2013 07:09
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I was going to guess "filled with cigarette butts with a turd on top" but that works.
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Aug 29, 2013 11:56
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I suppose World On Fire would be right out.
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Aug 29, 2013 15:57
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VideoTapir posted:Maybe, but the baseline that you're getting better from is "flying United."
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caberham posted:Tacky cheesy names make me sick http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/houses-apartments-and-condos/26476-brad-pitt-house-thong-lo-bkk.html
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Especially when you have names like Beijing Beverly Hills or something stupid.
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VideoTapir posted:Sometimes I think I'm the only person in China who can read one. What's the most common direction landmark for the majority of people in China? Here it's the millions of local temples, but I'm guessing it's something different there.
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VideoTapir posted:Hahaha, you think Chinese people navigate by landmarks. caberham posted:That's not true in mainland. If you ask for directions, they tell you X meters and then point North/South/East/West like some boy scout. Which is really weird instead of listing by street intersections and street blocks
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VideoTapir posted:In China they navigate by guanxi. I dunno if you guys have the phenomenon, but her, basically, Bangkok is a world unto itself where people only know their way around 2-3 neighborhoods and are completely perplexed by every single thing outside of those areas. Your older cities (and newer) are pretty large, I can imagine some people who grew up in a time when they never got out of the neighborhood and who are truly perplexed by everything.
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GuestBob posted:Said was wrong, the Orient is genuinely vast and unknowable.
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Arglebargle III posted:The inveterate Chinese response. Something happened? Look! The west is bad! You really have assimilated. Homerism is homerism, regardless of your nationality. Rumors of QDE2 ending are exactly why many currencies took a dive for a month or so. The US may be a hated market for financial partners post-9/11 and FACTA, but it pumps a gently caress ton of money into economies around the world via the banks that receive all the free money. When there's a hint that the US bank investments are going to reverse course and flow back upstream it has a huge effect internationally. Time things by perceptions of that, for now, and you can make a pile, basically.
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The boonies is always the best place to live.
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GuestBob posted:"Golf Course" is a public school euphemism for "Brothel" by the way. 
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