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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

MrKatharsis posted:

^^^You post a lot in this thread and it's always badgering people about what fun-haters they are. How about a story about people who are bad with money?

The thread is kinda getting pretty rediculous with the amount of people calling other people bad with money because they don't save every cent they can and dare to spend on a few luxuries every now and then.


Knyteguy posted:

After driving this truck for awhile I was awarded $89,000 in a settlement tax free. I think it was 2008. I made the rational decision to replace my old truck with something that didn't bleed money. What was my choice? I went to a used car shop and picked up a 2004 Infiniti G35 to the tune of $34,000 and I paid with cash. If you're not going :asoiaf: the car was only worth about $19,000 and I was paying with cash.

This is what I come to this thread to read, not about how someone's cousin spent $10,000 more on a wedding than they did and how that makes them terrible at life.

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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Blackjack2000 posted:

I took an $11k 401(k) loan to buy an investment property that has been profitable for more than two years. I have about $5,500 left on the loan and may pay it back early so I can take another loan and buy another property.

Also, my loan is repaid via payroll deduction. I have a Roth 401k, but I imagine that if you have a traditional 401k, the interest portion of loan could be taken out pre-tax so it's not taxed twice. I don't know if this occurs though.

So you borrowed money just so you could use it as leverage to borrow even more money?

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't know about the implants, but skin removal can actually be really medically necessary.

That said, I'm pretty appalled that Australia is apparently like "go gently caress yourself, you're on your own" about it. I thought it was the land of magic free healthcare. In comparison, in the US, my insurance would cover it (except for a copay) if it were medically necessary.

If it was necessary to either increase her health or to dramatically increase her quality of life, it would have been covered under Medicare without question. 135kg is a bit under 300lb, it's big for sure, but without a height it's hard to say how bad it was.

In saying all that health insurance here is like $15-20/week AUD, it's not hard to afford when you consider the minimum wage is $19/hour or so.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

The Door Frame posted:

I can't be reading this right. He was going to max out a +$5000 limit credit card in an attempt to scam reward points and hinge his financial future on PayPal accepting thousands of dollars in gift cards?

Hey it works for money launderers, and Bitcoiners, they seem like smart people.

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

Most places don't accept credit for prepaid cards, some won't even do debit.

This was also the flaw I saw in the plan, the companies offering the gift cards aren't dumb and know how it could be defrauded.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Devian666 posted:

I guess it's just a status symbol for people who believe building up unsustainable debt is having money.

That's basically it, people think they're getting a special card from the banks because the banks think they're "someone".

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Cicero posted:

It sounds like they're getting like $27.5k (converted to USD) a year, and that's not counting deductions for advance payments and a debt they have that comes out automatically. That's not a level a couple can live on?

It mentions that the wife, Cindy, lost her assets because her previous husband gambled it away. That really sucks for her, but is the implication that the state should compensate her for that somehow? What about the current husband's assets?

Also it sounds like all they have to pay for rent is property tax (or the NZ equivalent?) of $1790.15. So after rent, they have to cover everything else with a little over 25k. That doesn't sound 'unlivable' to me.

I felt skeptical reading that article because it even tried to tug your heartstrings by repeatedly mentioning that the farmer guy's dad was a war hero. Maybe that'd be relevant if it was said war hero that the article was actually about, but it wasn't.

They mention mortage payments as well in the article.

I've only visited both NZ and the USA, but NZ was crazy more expensive too so 27.5k USD wouldn't go anywhere near as far in NZ as it would in the states.

But yeah, the way it goes on about how his father was a war hero, that's a bit much.

Rudager fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Oct 13, 2014

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

balancedbias posted:

This can't be stressed enough. In order for him to be in that situation, he had to spend more money than he was earning by a factor of at least 5-to-1. That is ON TOP OF deferring any loans. He was probably getting some payday or predatory style offers by the end of that run, and took the first job he could find without negotiating.

It's more believable when you realise he paid his employer to give him a job as an intern, rather than get paid to be an intern like any sane person would.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

Putting down half on a loan or mortgage does not absolve you of the underwriting requirements to prove that you can pay the other half. Have you ever applied for a mortgage? It's a lot more complicated than writing a downpayment check and telling the bank you're good for the rest. Unless this happened in 2007.

When the LVR is like 35% they won't care because either you pay them, or they take the house and sell it and take the money that way, unless the house's value massively tanks there's no way in which they don't win.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008
I'm not saying the bank is doing it as some long term investing strategy in the real estate market, I'm saying that when the guy applying for the loan is throwing down $250k on a $350k house, the bank has zero risk of not recovering the money and costs involved in repo'ing the house if it comes to that.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Nail Rat posted:

Unless the homeowner facing eviction on a foreclosed home decides to dump cement down all the drains etc. You can sue them but they don't have any money so good luck with that.

They've got $250k worth of equity in the house though.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Anne Whateley posted:

As a woman, I only got body hair done, but I'm sure shaving your face isn't too fun either.

My wife gives me poo poo all the time because I have a very angular face, and I always miss bits on the back of the jawline because it's loving hard to shave things that are on right angles.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

CelestialScribe posted:

Yeah I'm.regularly told to dump all of my savings and an emergency fund into a deposit because "you'll make your money back in a year or two!!"

Servicing a mortgage on one income here is completely impossible.

Part of the problem is people are completely unwilling to even consider renting out a room or two as well because "they didn't buy a house to live with other people".

Meanwhile we just put a deposit down on a $435k place over the weekend, let the fun begin! :suicide:

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

fiery_valkyrie posted:

I managed to just fine. Maybe you could elaborate on salary vs expected house price.

I don't know anyone who is paying 60% of their take home pay on their mortgage. I agree that housing in Australia is expensive, but not as extreme as you're making it out to be.

There's way too many factors to make a statement like that, the place we're buying would be double the price is if was anywhere closer to Newcastle than what it is.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

fiery_valkyrie posted:

I'm Australian too. No one I know thinks that way.

It's definitely a thing, I wouldn't say everyone thinks like that, but FIFO miners on $150k who also have 2 out of every 3 weeks worth of living expenses covered while they're at work definitely do.

CelestialScribe posted:

Neglecting to mention of course that "mate" probably lived at home and didn't spend a time on rent or any other expenses.

Uh, that seems like a legit "Good With Money" thing.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Thesaurus posted:

If I were trying to scam people, I'd probably end up dreaming up something overly complicated that wouldn't convince people. I'd be convinced they could easily detect the scam. However, it appears that the best way is to just straight up make wildly improbably promises and people will throw money at you.

Guaranteed return! Zero risk! It's stupifying that people fall for this stuff over and over.

Folly posted:

I wonder if the scammers chose Forex specifically so their victims would self-select. It's been done before.

That's exactly what the article in this post is saying, it's made to be absurd as possible because it means the only people who fall for it are very gullible and easily convinced people who will hand over their money with minimal effort. If it was made to be slightly plausible they end up wasting time on alot of people who'll never fall for it.

It's why those "3 quick tricks to making millions on binary options!" videos go for like 20 minutes until they give you any details, if someone sits there and watches it for 20 minutes, they're nearly guaranteed to be caught hook, line and sinker, but anyone who's not convinced will have closed it ages ago.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

xie posted:

You could rent a full size SUV for $1,500 a month by walking into a car rental place in the US and paying the sticker price (~50/day)... How would it cost $150/day to rent a 4x4?

Except it's in Australia where everything to do with vehicles is alot more expensive.

I just looked up on the Hertz site, a Toyota Corolla is $76.06 AUD/day, an SUV is $125.

Also the real answer is to buy a trail bike instead of a 4x4.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Anne Whateley posted:

The numbers there are a bit weird (not impossible, just unusual). In addition to being a college student, he must work just about 30 hours/week, which isn't really part-time. In a year he'd make $26k (before tax, not allowing any unpaid time off) but he's saved $15k.

If he's that hardcore about it, it's pretty weird he's just like "oh bummer, have it all for no reason."

If he's working nightshift he's probably getting a bit extra over the standard minimum casual wage, and if he was working weekends, there's more again.

It could easily be $15k, and I'll bet the mother has a gambling problem.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008
I liked the "but I work in a highrise building, so of course I know a lawyer" comment.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Volmarias posted:

I thought that half the point of designer products was that the name brand required a tight control of the supply chain and QC.

That doesn't mean it can't be made in a sweatshop in India along side a k-mart $10 special.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

"Diversify my portfolio" has turned into some cargo cult poo poo at this point right?


:10bux: says that the rest of his "portfolio" is in gold.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

How about this reddit guy? Police took my life savings after OP and his friend got pulled over.


Why, exactly, did this guy have 20 thousand dollars in cash on him?

That's the most obvious "So my friend...." post ever.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

It is dumb to carry huge amounts of cash but a lot of people do it for all kinds of reasons, and bullshit administrative seizure of cash, valuables, and vehicles belonging to people never charged with a crime or charged with some minor traffic offense is a real thing

Maybe you didn't read it but, "his friend" had a "personal amount" of Marijuana in the car as well.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

Why in your mind does the possession of a small amount of marijuana ("personal amount" presumably implying a misdemeanor/non-distribution or decriminalized quantity in whatever locale) by a second party entitle the police to seize $20,000 they stumble upon without a criminal charge or due seizure process?

I'm sorry I have to break it down to the absolute base level for you, but there was a reason that I put quotes around "personal amount" and "his friend".

Just so we're clear, it was to heavily imply it was more than likely his own stash he uses to deal drugs to make that cash, but he was trying to make himself sound innocent on the internet like everyone who starts a post with "My friend....".

I mean I know people who travel a lot, and they're always broke, and if they're not and do actually have $20k+, they're not dumb enough to keep it on them in cash, because they're not drug dealers.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

I get what you're implying but not everybody that happens to be in the same car as a joint is a drug dealer and the fact that you're just assuming the guy is lying is precisely the problem with civil forfeiture

90% of reddit posts (hell, all forums posts for that matter, including this one) are lies and/or bullshit.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Barry posted:

While that guy might genuinely be looking for some advice I feel like anyone that posts a "I'm 24 and make 65k a month" thread on the internet is just looking to brag.

I've looked on /r/personalfinance a few times and it's either the gems that get posted here, or <30 year olds making 6 figures who are obviously just making a thread to brag. There is no inbetween.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Inverse Icarus posted:

It sounds really mean and pretentious to say, but it's the truth: There are some really loving dumb people in the world.

The GT stuff is the intersection of loving dumb people and people who think they're not dumb because they've made some decent money somehow in their lives.

Rudager fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jan 7, 2015

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

The Nards Pan posted:

That is. . . uh - a lot of money on webcam porn. drat. :catstare:

At least if he blew all that in a strip club, he'd probably be having a pretty good time. I guess he may have been having fun with his webcam ladies but god drat - there are better ways to blow through six figures and still guarantee you end up with a shiny new divorce to show for it. Sheesh.

Seriously, if you never watched the donations given to some of the cute young girls (most of which are Asian, which probably helps a bit too) streaming to <100 people on twitch, you should, because it's the saddest thing ever watching these guys throw literally thousands upon thousands of dollars at them in desperate hopes of recognition and attention.

And they're not even getting their kit off, so I can only imagine what it's when they can buy a look at their boobs.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

SpelledBackwards posted:

I know we already have one guy with a Disney-obsessed coworker in this thread, and I've mentioned a close friend of mine who is otherwise reasonably well-traveled yet loves to go with her mom or whole family a couple times per year, not because of sentimental attachment as a child, but because "going there is like seeing the best of humanity all in once place".

Now a friend of a friend who is Disney/comic convention/tabletop gaming/movie/etc. obsessed has just announced on Facebook that he passed his Disney courses for travel agent training. I have no idea what that means or what poor fools end up paying for said courses (and poor clients who buy packages from agents of these courses)... but I can't imagine any shred of it is BFC approved. I can almost guarantee he's using this to somehow earn discounted trips to Disney for his family for the MAGIC it brings. Think of the return on investment!

Pretty sure the Disney Travel Agent thing is an MLM scheme

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

gvibes posted:


Also, 2800 a month for childcare, despite working zero and two days a week, respectively. 2800 a month for childcare for 5 kids probably isn't terrible otherwise.

That's the part I as looking at too, it's a 2 parent house for 5 days of the week, why the hell are they paying for any childcare at all?

Also if times are so hard while you're making about $700 an hour, how about just working an extra day to instantly double your income?

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Hocus Pocus posted:

A guy I know who makes minimum wage had some laptop troubles so he took it to Harvey Norman. For context Harvey Norman is an Australian retailer that sells electrical and white goods, furniture, and notoriously expensive computer kit.

So he goes in, and they quote him AUD$800 to fix, what he said was, a busted hard drive. Now, I don't know the extent of the problem, or even if it was the hard drive (I know he has friends in IT, but didn't bother asking them), but that's an insane figure.

$800 is a lot of money, he can't afford that, but the kindly shop assistant tells him that he's in luck. If he buys a desktop computer, they'll fix his hard drive at no extra cost. This guy has a bad case of gear acquisition syndrome (bought a Canon 7D, has used it maybe twice - its collecting dust on a shelf) and even though he has every one of the new generation gaming consoles, he reckons he needs a new gaming rig too.

What the gently caress, literally 1/2 the laptops on their shelves these days are less than $800, why not just buy one of them?

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Devian666 posted:

I think part of the issue is people who aren't bad with money but are completely retarded with money. Much like the idiots in Australia and New Zealand who put 60% of their net monthly income into a mortgage there are people doing that with rent. You see all income is just there for spending.

Scorpion Murial feature walls don't come cheap!

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

B33rChiller posted:

That's freaking awesome if true! Free food is best food.

For bad with money content: My supervisor.
He brags about how rich he feels he is, but couldn't be further from the truth. Lives paycheque to paycheque, nice big mortgage with a massive HELOC to cover renos. "I don't have to worry about interest rates going up. I locked in at a low rate" (Doesn't realise he has to re-finance every so often. Every 5 or 10 years I think? :canada:) Just financed a big truck to take his trailer to the lake twice a year. I caught him counseling a casual relief employee to buy a house as soon as possible. WTF? Dude doesn't even have a steady job, and you're telling him to buy during a big housing bubble? And the icing on the cake came out the other day. He announced that he's sending his daughter to a for-profit film school in Vancouver to study acting. Paying the whole shot. $15,000 tuition for the 4 month introductory course. "You tell your kids they can study whatever they want and to follow their dreams. It's a really prestigious school." I didn't have the heart to ask if they include foodsafe and serving it right in the curriculum.

So he's a supervisor in a fast food or big retail chain store right?

Every single one of them I've worked with is exactly like this, always make sure their minimum wage underlings know how much better they have it as supervisor, when they really don't.

Rudager fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jan 29, 2015

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Devian666 posted:

Alright so say he bought 72 ounces of silver right now at $20 that would cost $1440.

To pay for the $1000 of interest per month on $50k he would need a profit on the silver of $12k.

He'll be in the money if the price of silver goes up to about $187 per ounce. I can't see how this would go wrong. :shepface:

Except he's buying some every month so his average cost price is going to go up along the way as well.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

IAMKOREA posted:

This is some seriously ingenious poo poo. Spending $100 dollars a day is not like living like the locals in Mexico. Spending $100 a day there is like living like a king. Spending $1000 a day there is like living like a loving gringo idiot.

I'm pretty confident on betting you don't have kids.

Vacationing is about relaxing more than anything, if you have kids, going somewhere where they're occupied while needing minimum supervision is what you aim for.

When you're a single 20 year old the $50/day thing is what you do because you don't give a poo poo and don't have any money.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

Edit: Have a story to tell? No one gives a gently caress about your stories. gently caress your boring stories. What will his story be about? The time he spent $1000 a day to insulate himself from the Mexican people? The time he went and saw a pyramid, but fortunately didn't have to talk to a brown person?

haha, holy poo poo, why are you so loving angry that someone has more disposable cash to spend on holidays than you?

I seriously think you need help of some kind.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

IAMKOREA posted:

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

That doesn't answer the question on why you're so loving angry about someone else spending money on a holiday.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008
Guys, don't you seem to understand, he has UNLIMITED EARNING POTENTIAL! All he has to do is earn more, duh.

quote:

This commission job has really been a huge factor in my problems I believe. After having a couple good months my mind got to comfortable and started living and spending as someone who made that much every month. And even after a bad month I would trick myself into believing, "that's okay you can still buy this now with the credit card and pay it off after you have a good month next month"

He sounds like a less broken SloMo.

EDIT: Yep, upside down as gently caress on at least one of the cars

quote:

I would love to get out of my leases and get a cheap used car if possible. I just don't think I will be able to get a loan for that. If i am upside down in my car by $7,500 I doubt any bank is going to loan me that much money on a $1500 used car. That's to much risk for them to take. Lease's are not made to get out of early. They keep you upside down in the car all the way to the last payment and then in theory you are even. You are never ahead. So I don't think I have a choice but to ride out the lease's until the end.
If anyone else knows of any other option please do speak up.

EDIT2: Wait, can you be underwater on a lease?

Rudager fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Feb 3, 2015

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Old Fart posted:

He clearly doesn't care about getting his sister's money back.

Yeah, he's just worried about getting his half (and more) back, and I'll bet if he makes the money back and she turns 21 he'll pay for college, a car and token things like he has been, but won't give her the 1/2 she's owed in cash, after all it was only a verbal agreement with a dead man and he sounds like a selfish gently caress.

I bet the radioshack person had a similar motive, they probably had a heap of radioshack stock themselves and was hoping to float the price long enough to cash out their shares and their cousins.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

slap me silly posted:

Per pack? Like, pack of 20 cigarettes? Holy poo poo. No, a pack of fancy smokes is about half that where I live.

It's to stop people smoking more than anything, plus the whole arguments of paying for their healthcare since we have UHC.

There's a bunch of other regulation around them too like they can't be advertised and they can't be visible in the shop, and I can't remeber if it went through or now, but they were all supposed to have plain grey packaging (with minimal regulated amounts of branding) covered in graphic anti smoking pictures.

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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Renegret posted:

I know a guy who actually made money one summer selling cutco knives door to door.

Guy was a great salesman, he could sell a paper bag full of poo poo to anybody but he had the street smarts of a cinder block. Luckily now he works as a software developer for some startup mobile app developer so he didn't fall down that rabbit hole.

He didn't even realize it was a terrible MLM scheme until I broke it down for him. And this was after he got out of that job.

If he was a good salesmen and ignored all the MLM bullshit (meetings, recruiting, buying stock, etc) then it becomes a basic little business, buy some knives off your supplier and sell them for more to customers, so I can see how it may not have even seemed like a MLM to him if he's a good salesman.

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