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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Bonobos posted:

Also looking for a nice stand for my he400s. Can anyone recommend something nice that isn't a banana holder?

looking at something like the Woo stands, anyone have those?
http://wooaudio.com/products/wahps.html

or

http://wooaudio.com/products/wahps2.html

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/spectrum-trade-euro-trade-mug-tree/1013696578?_requestid=345

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


NOTinuyasha posted:

Any alternatives to Beats Studio Wireless? It's like $380 but... my JayBird BlueBuds haven't been cutting it, short battery life, short range, poor quality since it's SBC-only (checked with a bluetooth debugger, that's all it supports), and not nearly enough bass. The Beats support apt-X and AAC streaming so the quality won't be poo poo, the range is supposed to be better and the battery is much bigger. Pull the trigger?

Also the OP isn't really clear on the topic, should I buy Beats? loving everyone has them, even my mom has a pair. I also have poor taste in music and like bass, lots of bass, and that's hard to find, not to mention something with proper bluetooth support.

Beats are NOT bass heavy; they just sound like crap.

Here is a chart comparing the Beats to the Sennheiser HD650's (famous for being extremely balanced and great studio monitor headphones) and the V-Moda XS (real bass monsters). As you can see, the Beats headphones drop the gently caress off around 40Hz, so they sound terrible with bass-heavy music (and most other music, for that matter). Don't buy Beats.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Midorka posted:

No I'm not in the know, but this sentence is enough for me to continue to dismiss it, that and the severely limited selection of quality headphones regardless of whether the technology can finally transmit without issues.


Beats actually are HUGELY bass heavy. Go listen to the Beats Studios at an Apple store and tell me the bass isn't fatiguing. Looking at the chart is incredibly deceptive. It doesn't specify which model it is, as well as you chose the graph that suited your claim the best. There are other charts for Beats, none of which are useful anyway without knowing which they're referencing. This graph shows differently. Which Beats model is it? Who the hell knows as there are 2 entries already for solos and 3 for Monster Beats by Dre, 2 earphones 1 headphones.

Either way, no one in the world could listen to the Beats Studios and claim that they aren't hugely bassy. They actually don't even sound bad, the bass is just so overwhelmingly fatiguing that it's hard to listen for more than 5 minutes.

See, when I listened to them, they didn't sound that bass heavy. I wasn't really listening to bass heavy music, though. Also, I didn't pick the one that suited my claim best, I picked that one without looking at the other two. :downs:

Edit: Also, I haven't tried any good wireless headphones, but I do use a bluetooth adapter from Monoprice to stream music from my phone to my (quite nice) stereo system, and it sounds fine. Obviously, Bluetooth is quite capable of good quality audio (which, being digital, there's no reason it shouldn't be). People on Head-Fi seem to like these:

http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Bluetooth-Over-Ear-Headphones-Black/dp/B00H00OG7G

KillHour fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 29, 2014

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Midorka posted:

Sorry for sounding aggressive, I didn't mean to. When I demod the Beats Studios the bass was so heavy/rattling, that my ears became super warm and uncomfortable in 5 minutes.

I didn't try the studios, I think the ones I tried were the solos (hard to remember). I have a feeling each new "Beats" model is whatever Monster happens to have a ton of left-over drivers for, so there's probably not a ton in common between models.

Edit: I'm not sure why you need bluetooth, but would something like this work?

http://www.amazon.com/Technica-AT-PHA05BT-Bluetooth-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B0065V9TXC

+

http://www.amazon.com/V-MODA-Crossf...da+crossfade+lp

KillHour fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Apr 29, 2014

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Except those don't have any isolation.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I had a pair of HD280 PROs for awhile. If you can get them for around $50, I'd say they're not bad. But they're bulky and uncomfortable. And the foam pads wear out quick.

They did get me into higher-end audio, though, so i have a bit of a soft spot for them.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Enzenx posted:

So I bought some Philips Fidelio X2's for my computer a few weeks ago and I've been in love with them ever since. I have yet to find any kind of music that doesn't sound good with them. Still using them just straight off the motherboard and mostly happy with it but I'm thinking about maybe grabbing a Schiit Magni/Modi stack to pair with them.

If it's loud enough, you don't need an amp. If you don't hear any hissing/noise when nothing's playing, you don't need a DAC.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Midorka posted:

Beats Solo 2!

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I've never listened to the Beast Solo 2, but I trust Midorka's opinion on them. You could also look at Sennheiser - the HD 598's, are flashy/gaudy in a V8 Caddy kind of way (if that's her thing) and the Momentums look gorgeous and retro as gently caress. There is also Grado, which I think looks understated but unique enough to stand out. The Skullcandy Aviators look quite nice and are well-received, too. Honestly, though, she probably wants the Beats because of the name recognition.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


absolem posted:

Midorka makes a good point about the need to understand reviewer biases. I think Tyll has been pretty clear about his commitment to subjective analysis though,which I consider important based on the difficulty of translating the measurements into preference values. It's also pretty likely that not everyone would like said hypothetical "perfect" headphone without some adjustment

True, but if you could somehow design a headphone with a perfectly linear response curve, no resonance frequencies, and uniform impedance, you could then correct for any possible preferences in software.

Of course, all of that is impossible.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


There are some games with very good sound localization. That used to be one of the things Soundblaster and co. were pushing for before the sound card market quietly died. With the Oculus Rift pushing hard for 3D audio, I imagine it will become a thing again.

Right now, if your game supports 7.1, Dolby Headphone can do some pretty cool things with it.
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-headphone.html

You don't need special headphones to use it, so just get whatever fits in your budget that you like. I have the Sennheiser HD598's, and I'm very happy with them for gaming.
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...ennheiser+hd598

The HD558's are extremely similar and closer to your budget:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...ennheiser+hd598

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


yellowjournalism posted:

Awesome, I'm just going to pick up the 598's and call it a day. Thanks.

I don't think you'll be disappointed. I got mine back when they were twice as expensive, and I'm still very happy with them.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


grack posted:

You're not going to see any benefit with a new soundcard/amp/DAC compared to your computer's built in audio. The days of poo poo audio processing on motherboards (even most low-end motherboards) are long gone. Really the biggest reason to consider an upgrade is if your headphones had a high enough impedance that your onboard sound couldn't run them properly but that's just not the case with the M50X.

The big reason I can think of is to get rid of interference noise coming from other components (often times you can "hear" the mouse pointer move, for instance). But you don't hear any noise, it's not going to help.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


GNU Order posted:

Hey there Headphone nerds, my Bose OE2's died on me and I've been doing some searching to replace them, in like $100-$150 range. The things I really liked about this old pair that I've been looking for

-Closed ear, cushions sit flush to my ears. I've tried out some pairs of other styles and wasn't a fan
-Nice sound balance, bass wasn't muddy or overpowering
-They weren't gigantic and I didn't feel embarrassed wearing them in public

Honestly I'm just considering getting the least garish pair of Soundtrue's I can find and being content, but I thought it was worth asking first

Guess it depends what you consider "embarrassing to wear in public." These are all well received options around your budget that I would consider decent looking:

http://www.amazon.com/Grado-Prestige-Series-SR125e-Headphones/dp/B00L1NTJAW/ (on ear open)
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Momentum-On-Ear-Headphone-Black/dp/B00DKPXU9A/ (on ear closed)
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0042A8CW2/ (over ear open)
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-558-Headphones/dp/B004FEEY9A/ (over ear open)
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Momentum-Black-Headphone/dp/B00AZZNXOK/ (over ear closed)
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M40x-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR54 (over ear closed)
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50x-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR86 (over ear closed)

Of these, the on-ear momentums are probably closest to what you're looking for.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Aug 27, 2015

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The strain relief in my TDK BA-200's wasn't cutting it and the connection is loose near the 3.5mm plug. Not surprising, since I was regularly wearing it while biking.

Is there a recommendation for a pair of IEMs that will stand up to a little more abuse? Maybe ones with a replaceable cord?

I listen to pretty much all kinds of music, and the TDKs sounded fantastic to me.

Edit: Maybe the RE-400's?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWLEAH6

They seem to review well as a comparable, they look pretty sturdy, and they're cheap(ish)!

Double edit: Is there a difference between the RE-400 and the RE-400a besides having the android phone control? They're the same price, so it seems like an no brainer to pick the 400a over the 400.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Sep 20, 2015

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Hmm. I might be able to splurge on the Rockets some day, but not right now. If the RE400's last as long as my TDKs did (about 2 years), it shouldn't be a problem. Maybe I'll get the $40 Best buy warranty and let them eat the replacement cost if it goes.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Everything I'm reading says those are really bass heavy. I'd rather have something more neutral, even if it means I risk ruining them.

$80 fits within my definition of "disposable," anyways.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Harminoff posted:

Would I get noticeably better sound/clarity going from a behringer microamp ha400 to an schiit magni 2 using a pair of hd 558's?

Do you hear noticeable noise/crackling from your existing amp or are you hitting its limit (clipping at high volumes)? If not, the answer is no.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


How do you feel about IEMs? If you can stand the form factor, they're going to be a much better buy at your budget and for what you're looking for.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Tacier posted:

I don't actually need extreme sound isolation since it's normally not a loud office--just enough that I'm not clearly hearing other peoples' conversations and phone calls. I'm not opposed to IEMs in theory, but the (crappy) ones I've used in the past always hurt my ears after an hour, so I probably unfairly discounted them altogether.

http://www.amazon.com/HiFiMAn-Electronics-RE-400-HiFiMan-Headphones/dp/B00AWLEAH6/

The price/performance curve for IEMs is WAY cheaper than circumaural. If your budget is $100, these are going to give you better everything for the money.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Tacier posted:

Thanks to both of you for the help. I'm still deciding on traditional vs in-ear, but I'll almost definitely go with one of those recommendations.

The Momentums are very nice. I'm actually tempted at that price.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Incredulous Dylan posted:

I'm not going to get into crazy audiophile land here

You sure about that?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


cat doter posted:

Apologies if this is asked constantly, but what's the go-to studio monitoring headphones these days that don't cost an absurd amount? I have sennheiser HD 280pros at the moment but they're old and kinda falling apart, plus over time I've grown rather dissatisfied with them as mixing headphones since a good balanced mix with them sound completely off on any regular speakers or headphones(obviously mixes will sound different on different speakers or headphones but I'm talking like "oh hey these drums are way louder on everything else except my 280s").

HD650's are considered the gold standard, AFAIK. Do you have a budget in mind?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Dr. Fishopolis posted:

Because there are literally no audible benefits. I promise you, you can't tell a difference if you do a double blind test. The only possible change to the actual audio in any of the components you're describing would be to noise floor, and those differences happen at under 100db under full scale. There's no possible way changing sampling rate, bit rate or whatever that filter does could affect stereo separation or "soundstage".

My perspective isn't a perspective, it's reproducible science.

edit: here i found a video of a smug neckbeard explaining all of this: http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml

I know what video that is without clicking on it, and it's a fantastic video. The one thing you're wrong about is that you can sometimes hear the difference with stupid-high bit rates. The problem is the reason you can hear the difference is because ultrasonic sounds can cause artifacts in the audible range on certain setups. Like you said, it's garbage you want to filter out for that exact reason.

You can use these test files to see if your system experiences these artefacts. Mine does if I put my DAC in 48K mode, but it goes away in 96K mode.

http://www.audiocheck.net/testtones_highdefinitionaudio.php

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Soundstage is a description of how well you can identify where the recorded instruments should be in 3D space. "Wider" isn't necessarily better. "Accurate" generally is. The dirty secret is that it has way more to do with how the track was produced than what you listen to it on.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


If I was a billionaire, I'd buy every single one they made and destroy them all. :smugdog:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Both Bose and noise cancelling are overrated.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Two reasons to get an amp:

1. You have really high (or really low) impedance cans.
2. Your source isn't loud enough and/or you want to go deaf.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

you forgot bragging rights and adding ground hum.
Also, some amps change the sound profile a bit (see tube amps) so there's that.

I'm with KozmoNaut on this; tubes are for making music, not playing it.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


xcore posted:

What's considered low or high? I'm considering the Bose qc25s mentioned on this page. Mostly for watching/listening to stuff on my commute and at work, but also the odd PC gaming/movie watching session

Edit: I take that back, actually looking at the Bose Soundlink cans. I want me some Bluetooth as cords are always getting in the way

High impedance is just a matter of "Is it loud enough?"

On the other end, you want your source to be 1/8th (or less) the impedance of your headphones, or you start to get distortion. With particularly low impedance cans, that might require an amp.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


PopetasticPerson posted:

My brother plays games in his thinly-walled efficiency apartment which also contains his girlfriend, a kid.

:pedo:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Anime_Otaku posted:

Me again, I'm still looking at the Sennheiser Momentum headphones but I also looked up the HD 598s, I haven't seen them in a shop yet so I've got a question, is the padding on the 598s just glued to the bottom or stitched around the structure of the overhead band like the Momentum headphones. I ask because the pad falling off my old headphones is what finally convinced me to get new ones. Amazon is doing both models at essentially the same price but the 598s RRP is higher which is kind of tempting.

I believe it's glued, but I can check when I get home. It might just snap into the plastic like the earpads.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I forgot my IEMs at home before spending 20+ hours in airports. I ended up buying a pair of Westone 20s as an impulse buy. I'm not sure if they sound like they cost $300 yet, but they're sure built well and have a billion accessories.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Random product plug:

I'm a total moron who broke the cable to my HD598's (although, they survived like 6 years of abuse, so can't be too mad at Sennheiser), and the OEM replacements were pretty friggin' pricey.

I ended up buying these, and drat they're nice for the price. Feels well made, way thinner and lighter than the OEM cable, looks great, and pretty drat light on the wallet. It's also nice to have a reasonable length cable instead of the crazy 10ft one.

A+, would clothesline myself in VR again.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

Weird, I bought the same replacement for my HD650’s(link) because I also wanted a shorter cable. I agree that they are good, but I would want to warn; Maybe I’m extra sensitive to line(cable rubbing) noise, but the braided cord makes any movement much more noticeable.

I literally just noticed this a few minutes ago. Not a big deal to me but I could see how some would find it annoying.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I. M. Gei posted:

Whenever I plug the headphones into it all I hear is a high-pitched screech.

It's not a headphone jack. Don't plug your headphones into there. As the label implies, it's a service port for technicians.

Edit: what's weird is I also have a big fancy LG OLED and that DOES have a headphone jack. What model is it?

KillHour fucked around with this message at 04:48 on May 11, 2019

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I would just go with Bluetooth for the headphones.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The disadvantage with that is now you have to either have a cable going from your TV to where you sit, or you have to go TV -> DAC -> Wireless transmitter -> wireless headphones. Which is especially dumb because the wireless transmitter turns it right back into a digital signal making the DAC redundant (you're literally going digital -> analog -> digital). Optical out from your TV is also not going to support using your TV remote to change the volume. You'd have to get up and turn the knob unless your headphones have built in volume attenuation.

I just can't think of a good reason to buy a DAC for a TV.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Lowness 72 posted:

Is FLAC that much better than mp3 v0?

No, it really isn't.

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I just can't imagine a pair of IEMs requiring external amplification unless you want to go deaf.

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