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rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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SEKCobra posted:

Well I always assumed it's so that HR can go "THAT GUYS FAT, NOPE" "DON'T LIKE HIS FACE, BYE". Since it's their choice who to hire, you can't really get around it. Also we don't have that many black people to have problems with racism, our foreigners are clearly distinguishable by their name. :downs:

Actually, at least in the UK, you are advised (even on government websites) not to include a photo or any indication of your ethnicity, gender or age when applying for a job. Obviously gender can generally be judged from your name, but don't explicitly state male/female.

Why? Because these are protected categories under discrimination law, so the rationale is to not give employers any chance to discriminate (until they've at least met you I guess).

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Nov 16, 2006

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Sirotan posted:

Yo movax, were we closing the 'poo poo you come across daily' thread as well and combining it with this one? Or was that not the plan?


Edit: grammers :downs:

Personally I'd rather this didn't happen. They do cover different topics, to an extent.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I'm going to combine "gently caress printers" and "gently caress users" into a "gently caress prusers".

Today I walked up to the printer and logged in (we have collection print queues so you can print from anywhere to any printer), and noticed a bright orange warning light was on. So like most people in this thread would probably do, I hit the button next to it. "Tray 1 empty". Ok, I put paper (which was in a stack next to the printer) in the tray.

So many jobs started pouring out that I walked off to find a different printer after 5 minutes. This is extra-special-stupid because you cannot send jobs to print unattended, you have to physically go to the printer, log in, select the documents you want to print from your personal collection queue, and hit print. This means every single one of those print jobs was started by someone too dumb to spot a bright orange warning LED or, if they did, too dumb to figure out what to do next.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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IamJacksAlcoholism posted:

I will third this sentiment

Me too.

I was against it from the start and this is why - it's impossible to keep track of sub-topics and conversations now. If you go away for a day you're basically hosed.

Please can we have mod approval to revert from version control.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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thelightguy posted:

What does a "server" from 1903 look like anyway?

Errrr, turn of the century happened 13 years ago guys.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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You do realise you're just exposing your own pointless prejudices here, right? Why is taking time off to play a new game on release any more objectionable than taking time off to go to a movie premier? Or the opening of a new museum? Or the first day of hunting season? Or the first big game of this year's league? Or, gently caress it, taking the time off just to lay around in bed all day if that's what you want to do? You're harbouring resentment towards people based on a really specifically weird set of criteria which don't make much sense. You might as well just hate on people who take time off on a Tuesday.

More to the point though, the only person who's reasons for taking PTO are of any concern to you is you; what other people choose to do in their own free time is none of your business, and I don't really see why you think it should be. Judging whether other people's happiness conforms to your own definition of 'correct' is an entirely pointless exercise. If you want to do it in your head then fine I guess, but I wouldn't expect much support from anyone else.



Now for content:

Javid posted:

This is the same manager who insinuated I was somehow in the wrong for being late due to my class schedule - which they knew about on hire, but hired me anyway because nobody else wants this job

So, on the one hand this is definitely lovely. On the other, doesn't this give you enormous power? If they're really struggling that hard to find people willing to do the job, then I'd have thought the ball's in your court. I'm not suggesting you poo poo all over your manager's desk, but you should definitely feel fairly safe in standing up for your rights / agreements - which, to be fair, it sounds like you did so maybe it's not entirely bad?

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Sep 16, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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ratbert90 posted:

And this is why I boot into DOS to this day to still flash a bios. :smug:

I once had the exact same failure on an Asus board, which showed me that this rule is the best rule.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Sickening posted:

The only instance I have seen of this we paid it and then did a chargeback on the credit card. Fast, simple, and it helps get the wiretransfer service used shutdown faster.

I like this solution. Fight fire with fire.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Zero VGS posted:

This is on Acer's home page right now and :golfclap: to the marketing department:



I suppose the alternative "Twice the chance of unrecoverable data loss!" just doesn't scan as well.

However, with SSDs it's almost worth considering except that... if you've got an SSD I doubt raid 0 is going to make an appreciable difference, especially not in a consumer laptop.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Paladine_PSoT posted:

too many posts to read through if you miss a day or two. Too many concurrent conversations. Thread is getting harder to read.

More poo poo that pisses you off

Thank christ for that.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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This is a bit off-topic but:

MyFoxLa.com posted:

so they can Facebook

No. 'Facebook' is not a verb. For gently caress's sake, you literally need one more word in there to prevent that from looking retarded. Why not 'use', it's only another 4 characters including the space.

Goddamnit local news is lazy.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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^^^
True, but that requires it to catch on first and thankfully this hasn't so far, apart from among the lazy. See below for why it's stupid.


Taeke posted:

I'm sure you never google something.

I will admit to that sin on occasion (although I try not to do it) but I'm now also going to point out why people who bust out this argument to be all :smug: are also being daft.


"Google" gets used as a verb because the general population (or at least the technically literate) have come to the group decision that it has a specific meaning ("to google" something is to use a search engine to look for something on the internet). It's also used as generic term for conducting a search using any search engine, not just Google. This is why, as much as Google hates the idea because it threatens their trademark, the use of Google as a verb has some rationale behind it - it communicates meaning of a specific action.

What, exactly, does "to facebook" mean? To post inane poo poo about your day? To upload photos of your cat/dinner/baby? To cyber-stalk someone? To start a group to troll someone? To use the chat feature with someone? To ask a question? To... well, you get the idea.

It's not useful, it's not specific, it's certainly not generic mainly because of the first two things it's not, and it doesn't communicate any real meaning. You might as well say "to internet".


And that, my friend, is why it sounds retarded.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 26, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I'm glad it wasn't just me who was hella confused by that.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
On the other side of the coin, I've been asked for my password by the helpdesk and refused. Why? Because we're a pharmaceutical company and with that password you have access to very sensitive information, including patient records. Sharing passwords is gross misconduct, and this is literally part of the first training session you get when you're hired.

Moral of the story: dumb people exist in all roles, everywhere.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I've always found that it's just helpful to know what's happening underneath the code I'm writing. It gives you a more intuitive feel for certain problems. For example, even in a language like .NET, it's handy to know the difference between the stack and the heap, and the penalty you can pay for value type boxing etc.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I recall consumer backup solutions being discussed in this thread before, so I'm hoping someone can jog my memory.

I've currently got my parents set up with a backup using Microsoft SyncToy, but the speed of the thing is best described as 'glacial'. It's now at the point where it takes over 24 hours, and we're not talking about much stuff here (20gb tops) and it's only inspecting file dates/times, not contents.

So... what other options are there? Free is preferred, but if there's some magic paid software out there which can turn 24 hours into 2.4 hours then I'd certainly give it some thought.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Sorry, I should have mentioned - this has to use local storage. Their internet connection is beyond awful.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Cheers guys, I'll take a look at those options.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Install Windows posted:

That is the point. To not have them do it on company computers and connections.

If you think the UK has a more liberal attitude towards these things then let me tell you, we British have nothing on continental Europe.

That's not to say that I'm not raising an eyebrow at the idea of watching porn at work because I am and think it's pretty gross, but the idea of blocking sites is to reduce liability for the company. The simple fact is that in Europe a lot of people would be surprised that people think there's a liability issue in that - weird for all sort of reasons and probably in breach of policy if discovered yes, but it wouldn't be seen as something the company would be liable for.

When you get right down to it, what exactly is the liability?


edit:
Although thinking about it, the amount of dodgy adverts with driveby malware installers might be a good liability point.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Oct 18, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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spog posted:

A Hostile Work Environment.

If employees view material that causes offense to another employee and management tacitly allows this to continue, the second employee could leave and sue for constructive dismal, claiming that it was a hostile work environment.

Blocking pron sites is an easy way to protect the employers.

Ok so here's my perspective on that. I'm assuming that however liberal anyone's labour laws are, browsing porn at work is against company policy. If it hasn't been blocked and, as in your scenario, someone is aware that you're doing it then you should face disciplinary action. Unfortunately it sounds like it's very much A Thing in the US (and also here in the UK) that management are often emotionally crippled children so, whilst they have no problem dismissing entire departments because there's no fear of having to actually give bad news to a real walking talking person face to face, they're are incapable of handling a disciplinary conversation with a single employee.

Basically, using technology to block sites for no other reason than "they're against policy" is a crutch propping up managers who don't want to face the realities of doing their job - things aren't always nice and occasionally you have to chew someone out. I'd even argue that it's in your favour to allow your employees to get caught out violating policy, because then you know who your problem guys are.


However as noted in the edit to my earlier post, thinking about the particular case of porn sites for 5 minutes makes it obvious that there are liability issues from the malware risk so I hold my hands up for being a dumbass with that post.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 18, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Sirotan posted:

Edit: Honestly, I shouldn't have to debate why looking at porn at work is a really dumb idea. Also, loving gross. Maybe its hard to imagine for the majority of this thread but being a woman in IT and having a male manager who I know is looking at porn every chance he gets (at work!) is pretty loving weird and awkward for me. Luckily he is now my ex-manager.

My point around this scenario was that yes it's gross and definitely shouldn't be going on, and should be reported if found rather than relying on a technical solution to a people problem (although as pointed out, the technical solution is needed to stop a technical problem - the malware).

Presumably you did report him, hence the ex-manager?


For the record, I'd find it pretty awkward knowing anyone I have to work with was browsing porn regardless of their gender, and I'd be thinking twice before shaking their hand (and probably going straight to the bathroom to wash it afterwards if I had to). It's just... no.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 18, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Sirotan posted:

I did tell his boss yes, but nothing came of it. He eventually left the job himself one day when he decided he didn't care for it. Of course this was a week or two after being sent to a ~$3k training session.

My commiserations for your spineless management team then, that does suck.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Posting Principle posted:

I'm a developer. I don't know poo poo about computers because that's not really my job.

I was a developer until very recently, and I know quite a lot about computers but that's because when I first started tinkering with software whilst about 15 all I had access to was a 386 (which was hilariously out of date even then) with Borland Turbo C++ on it, so I was doing things like reading inputs from the mouse directly by dropping into inline Assembly and dealing with interrupts, direct unprotected access to hardware, and manual memory management.

If you're new to the development game these days and using a managed language (e.g. C#) then, really, unless you're interested in finding out there's nothing forcing you to learn about the low level workings of computer or what the hardware is because it's all abstracted away from you. Memory management is hidden from you and I/O is very abstracted so you don't really have to care about what you're reading or writing. There are included libraries to do all of the basic stuff so that you don't have to (badly, buggily and unsafely) reinvent the wheel.

This is great as it allows you to get on with actually building applications rather than solving the same problem thousands of other developers have also had to solve for themselves, but it does mean you don't necessarily have to know how an SSD differs from an HDD, or have much appreciation for your application's memory utilisation, or even really know what a byte is.

Once you get into specialised areas then yes you need to start to understand the platform you're running on, but for Joe Average Developer building business applications it's basically irrelevant.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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The most recent one I got was the hymn schedule for a Sunday service at a church in Hawaii. With YouTube links to each hymn.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Paladine_PSoT posted:

They then find the squirrel route into your network with lots of lawyers you'll be paying for. Ever buy an MSDN subscription? Guess what, if that's linked to your business you just gave permission for an audit.

You may have done, but I still don't see how Microsoft can compel a business to allow their representatives into the building. A civil contract doesn't override criminal law, so if they force their way in then it's still breaking and entering + trespassing.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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evol262 posted:

Not all generalizations are equal. "Management is not vindictive" is a generalized statement which means "the interests of management align with the company more often than they're about having pissing matches with their subordinates". Some people, and hence some managers, are certainly vindictive people. "Management" as a whole doesn't refer to individual people. It refers to an organizational distinction.

I still agree with the people who have said that you can't expect that generalisation to be true, even when you're referring to "management, the process" rather than "management, the people". There are organisations out there which are outright hostile by policy to any of their staff below a certain level. These are usually minimum wage, unskilled jobs where they know that for every one of you there are two more waiting to be hired when they fire you, so they can hang the threat of losing your job over minor infractions over your head for the entire duration of your employment with them.

Basically, call centres.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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evol262 posted:

but good organizations

And that's why the generalisation can't be taken as 100% true.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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evol262 posted:

It's like you didn't even read the second half of the post. And generalizations are generally true. They are not tautologies.

Please don't take generalized career/how to survive and advance in an office on environment advice as "he says bosses are nice in 100% of cases and mine wasn't!"


Ok, but...


evol262 posted:

Management is not vindictive.


This is what sparked this discussion. You presented that statement as a fact and then argued with people who disagreed with that presentation. You've since softened your position on that point so it sounds like we all now agree that management can sometimes be vindictive, and all that remains to discuss is how common vindictive management is.

Since that's not really appropriate for this thread, there's not much point derailing any further.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Oct 27, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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KennyTheFish posted:

This is what pisses me off about the modern way we do things. In the same organisation I should be able to pick up the phone and call the person who configures / maintains the poo poo I have to interface with.

Agreed. We have one department which will only respond to requests submitted via the ticketing system - they are not the the helpdesk. Turnaround time is usually measured in days.

I once had the manager of that group try to chew me out for submitting a ticket and then immediately phoning someone in the department to get it looked at because I had one of our clients on the phone furious that their poo poo wasn't working, and the issue could only be resolved by that department. Customer satisfaction be damned, gotta stick rigidly to the process! :v:

Thankfully my manager told that guy to go swivel.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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An ultra high importance ultra critical email CCed to multiple directors came in: "the client says <thing I can't really say but would result in a government agency getting involved if true> has happened in this live project, what do you know about this?"

No other information, no contact details, not even a date and time this supposedly occurred. 15 minutes of frantic investigation later, it turns out:
- the issue was misreported and this happened in the client testing area, not on a live project
- the client confused themselves and what they said occurred actually didn't (something orders of magnitude more minor did)
- the really minor thing which did happen was spotted, fixed, retested and the fix applied to the client testing area all in the space of 45 minutes... yesterday


To get to me, this had to go through multiple levels of bureaucracy including 2 helpdesk levels and a president of something or other. Apparently no-one else thought to check basic facts. For double bonus fun, I'm pretty sure the client intentionally misreported the issue to try to get a discount on another project we're bidding for.

Why are so many people clueless, corrupt or both?

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Is it an American custom to include small change in greetings cards? That just seems... weird.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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At 11am I put my phone on redirect-to-voicemail (so that the inevitable inconsiderate/ignorant callers wouldn't disturb anyone around my desk) and then wandered over to look out of the window for 2 minutes and contemplate how privileged most of us are.

So far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks that's unreasonable needs to reassess just how important their phone call really is in the grand scheme of things.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I would say the correct answer to "so when can you get started?" should be "when you've paid your outstanding invoice".

After that, start nitpicking their proposal :v:

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Sham I Am posted:

Anyone have links to a couple of good articles on why end users should not have full Admin rights in an ERP system?

Would you like your inventory to match reality, your schedule to match the capabilities of your staff, and your projects' bills of materials to match your inventory? No? In that case, go right ahead!

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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I have no experience with DFS other than what you guys have said, but it sounds like it's what :psyduck: was invented for. Add me to the list of people wondering how a system with 3 votes ends up treating the one vote which disagrees with the other two as authoritative.

The Space Shuttle used triple redundancy with voting for a number of critical systems; could've been a much shorter era of spaceflight if it used DFS voting (TM).

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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EoRaptor posted:

Somehow, btw, is in an ordinary email in that persons mailbox that has a special subject line and is flagged as hidden. It has exactly all the problems you'd expect it to have.

Please tell me you have some proof of this. I mean I want to believe it, I just struggle to accept that even Microsoft would do something as hilariously Heath-Robinson as this in 2013.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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This is a thing of beauty.

edit:
Surely with the effort they went to with including an option to import additional .nk2s as a command line switch and so on, they could have... I don't know... done something sane? How the hell does something like this get signed off on, built and pushed out in the world's leading PIM product?

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 15, 2013

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:

Did it turn out they were VPNing in from home?

____

I'm curious, how does everyone wind down after a really stressful day? I'm losing a lot of sleep at the moment over various calls, having trouble switching off. Apart from drinking!

It's a cliche, but exercise. If you're mentally tired and don't want to think, go spend 30 minutes on a Concept2 watching the news on TV. If you want to be distracted, do something you need to think about - I go indoor climbing which requires a lot of attention, so works well for that.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Jesus christ just let it go. He likes high strength beers, you posted a link implying high strength beer drinkers are snobs. It doesn't take a doctorate in psychology to see that might make someone react defensively.

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rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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If anyone gets written up it should be the condescending rear end in a top hat who questioned his ability to do his job in front of other people, having just been given the solution to a self-created problem.

Removing yourself from a hostile situation is perfectly ok and I disagree strongly with anyone who believes otherwise. You should not have to put up with poo poo like that in a workplace.

Good luck Loose Ifer, I hope this goes your way.

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