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ViggyNash posted:In S&W, the economy was well defined and extensive after being built up over centuries. CEO Nwabudike Morgan, The Centauri Monopoly posted:Our first challenge is to create an entire economic infrastructure, from top to bottom, out of whole cloth. No gradual evolution from previous economic systems is possible, because there is no previous economic system. Each interdependent piece must be materialized simultaneously and in perfect working order; otherwise the system will crash out before it ever gets off the ground.  I just got into this and powered through up to the latest episode. Fantastic series! It took a while for me to get around to this because the concept of "people stuck in a video game" seemed a bit lame to me because I'm not really into MMOs, and I'd never seen Sword Art Online. However, around episode 5 or 6, this show really started to hit its stride once Shiroe's plans started falling into motion. It's sort of like my favorite part of post-apocalyptic stories -- the part where people have to band together and create a new society, except it's all about that, which is awesome!!
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Ok, show of hands, how many of us play stuff like Civ5 and 4x games in general? *raises hand* Well, I quoted SMAC on the other page, and I'm really into Paradox games, so wellp, stand up and testify! Hmm. I never gave that Demon Queen manga a try-- isn't it based on a light novel by the same guy? If I like Log Horizon I am guessing I'll like that too.
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Dec 12, 2013 03:23
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I like it when Akatsuki does the thing where she spins in the air in front of the moon and slashes. It's kind of neat in that distinctly "anime" way. 
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Dec 12, 2013 16:02
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It'd be interesting if it turned out that People of the Land can attack adventurers in cities because it's not counted as PVP.
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Dec 15, 2013 14:58
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Phobophilia posted:Where do they come from? Is there a lab somewhere cloning youngish men, implanting violent memories, grafting on yankee hairstyles, and paralysing their facial muscles into an ugly scowl? This would be a great manga, by the way.
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Dec 18, 2013 01:39
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The thing that would really shake the power balance and affect the lives of everyone would be if it was revealed that the People of the Land can somehow rise to become Adventurers, while Adventurers can lose their immortality and stat bonuses and become People of the Land. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if that came to be.
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Dec 28, 2013 19:33
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Speaking as someone who doesn't know a lot about MMOs outside of some very casual Guild Wars playing back in the day, are there any MMO games out there that don't have a level cap, and instead you can just level up forever -- albeit on a logarithmic scale and with diminishing returns?
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Dec 29, 2013 21:04
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Dan7el posted:Also, there appears to be no rez'ing. In SAO I understood that, but in almost all MMO's, healer-types have some rez ability at some level. That perplexes me. I wonder, if they did have the ability to rez, could they rez People of the Land? Cue the necromancer in far southern Japan who's busy killing all the People of the Land and building himself an army of skeletons. 
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Dec 31, 2013 23:21
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At first I was kind of "Ugh, where are they even going with this?" with the Kids' Training Camp arc, but I've grown to really love it. Seeing Minori turn from a reticent, submissive follower into a tactical leader after the mold of Shiroe is really thrilling! As an aside, what's that word that Akatsuki keeps using, that sounds like "Sh'kun"?
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Jan 18, 2014 16:05
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I love this show -- in fact it's the only anime whose OP I watch every single time, just because it's so neat. The music is rockin', and it's got flashy cuts of the characters posing in a cool way-- basically everything I want out of an anime OP!
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Feb 2, 2014 03:12
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It's probably something that would have to come up at some point, if the point of the story is less "OMG WE LIVE IN A COMPUTER GAME NOW!!" and more like "the development of a post-apocalyptic society". Every society would have to eventually consider how they'll take care of the children, who will help them when they are elderly, how they will manage population growth and education, and various other important economic, social, and political factors. I think it'd actually be interesting to see as time goes on. Perhaps at some point it would start to dawn on people-- "Oh man, what if we never get back to normal? What if this is how life is from now on? We're going to grow old and die in this world." And it might be cool to see how they deal with that.
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Feb 2, 2014 23:54
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Yeah, it's kind of like an S.M. Stirling novel in that respect -- a bit like the Nantucket series where the island of Nantucket circa 1999 gets time-warped back to the bronze age.
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Feb 3, 2014 01:16
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Shukaro posted:"I'm sorry Martha I can't marry you, you picked a suboptimal class." Wow. Thinking about that, if it was a darker series, I think issues of a caste system arising due to certain classes that turn out to be "weaker" or "nerfed" might really be an issue!
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Feb 3, 2014 02:45
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As a player of Crusader Kings 2 and other Paradox Grand Strategy games, I feel that I would be in a very good position to take over the world if it suddenly fused with a computer game. 
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Feb 6, 2014 19:40
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Miscellaneous Info posted:Western Europe  ... where ... where else would you wear panties? v- Oh. Keepin' it classy, I see! -v DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Feb 7, 2014 |
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Feb 7, 2014 15:56
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I just love how Minori's growing up to be a mini-Shiroe. Her arc is probably the best in the whole show, it's so rewarding to see a kind of insecure, flaky girl turning into a badass strategist like him. Well THIS sure is a surprise!! I'm sure that none of us saw this coming at all! But meh, I shouldn't have watched the preview -- looks like they'll be copping out on Rudy being Really For Reals Dead.
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Feb 8, 2014 16:15
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Myurton posted:That was a fun episode as for Rudy my guess is that Shiroe will write up some the type of contract that someone agrees to when ever they sign up to play an MMO, you know that huge wall of text that most people don't read and just hit the agree button. Thus binding Rudy to the adventurer system making him an adventurer. That would be the most likely scenario. How's he going to sign a EULA if he's already dead?
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Feb 8, 2014 22:57
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veekie posted:Frying a direwolf with an explosion spell cast INSIDE it's body was great though. That thing is level 35, they aren't even level 30, and there's two of them with goblin support as well. Must be some good XP I think that that was interesting to show off the fact that it's not simply a matter of "shoot spell, do damage", but that there's also an element of realistic weakpoints and physical shapees that can be taken into consideration.
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Feb 8, 2014 23:16
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Desuwa posted:So if Shiroe scribes up a contract that lets PoTL become Man. Scribes (as well as attendant industries) would be able to make an absolute killing doing this. They basically have the formula for immortal life -- and the newly-sentient, human People of the Land would be absolutely up in arms to get a piece of that action.
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Feb 9, 2014 03:16
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Excellent episode. Yes, yes, I know I was ragging on the cheapness of reviving a character earlier, but the whole contract thing showing how the world really doesn't play by the old rules anymore was really cool. Also, that was a very nice face that Crusty was making during the battle. I half-expected him to howl at the moon or laugh maniacally like someone from Hellsing!  I think that I look forward to Log Horizon more each week than Kill la Kill, actually!
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Feb 15, 2014 16:58
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Emalde posted:So this episode of course has a huge number of implications, but instead of spinning on something I feel like wont ever be re-visited in the anime specifically, I'd like to instead note how "Adventurer" is just a full-on subclass instead of some kind of base status in this instance. Does that mean there are additional unlockable benefits to the State Of Existing As An Adventurer that nobody else has yet? Or is it really just something that occured for circumstance? Yeah, that is something I just noticed on rewatching the episode just now. It being the case that POTL can be given Adventurer status as a sub-class, I think that this precludes the chance for POTL to infinitely spread Adventurer status among themselves unless there is already at least one POTL who is a level 90 scribe (not likely). So in other words, it confers a potential power-relationship that can be exploited by adventurers; only Adventurers are free to take the subclass "Scribe" and thereby grant POTL the subclass of Adventurers. Although I guess it'd work if a POTL who didn't already have a class was contracted by Shiro. Then he'd probably gain "Adventurer" as his main class, and then be able to take on "Scribe" as a subclass. I dunno about this, though, without knowing more about how the class system works.
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Feb 15, 2014 18:50
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I do hope that this show gets a second season. It'd be a painful let-down if 26 episodes was all that we ever got!
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Feb 15, 2014 21:38
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Adelheid posted:It's been pretty steady in adapting a volume about every five episodes, but... There's only one seven volumes out right now. If we see a continuation, it probably won't be for a very long time, although they could theoretically fit two volumes into one season if they slowed the pace a bit. Wow, that fast? I had no idea about the pacing versus the number of volumes. Gee, that probably does mean that it'll be much more than a year till the next season. 
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Feb 15, 2014 21:56
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veekie posted:The light novels describe things in more detail(Mamare sort of likes to go rambling off on a subject every so often), and there's a wiki out there that collates some of the information. Yeah, I took a look at some of the translated versions floating around out there... is this normal for light novels?? Because it's terrible, stylistically. I've also read a few of the Spice & Wolf novels, but they were never quite as bad -- even though the author of those also sometimes has problems with the whole "show not tell" rule.
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Feb 16, 2014 15:24
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ArchangeI posted:Isn't it the same author? Didn't he also do Mayuu-whatever (not the one with the parttimer, the one with the Demon Queen who introduces potatoes)? Or is "A brief treatise on the economics of ye olde fantasyworld" somehow its own genre in Japan? Nah, the author of Spice & Wolf is Isuna Hasekura, while the author of Maoyu and Log Horizon is Mamare Touno.
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Feb 16, 2014 16:09
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Clearly, the solution is for a level-90 Adventurer, subclass Scribe, to create a contract with a POTL that confers to them the subclass "Adventurer-Trainer".
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Feb 18, 2014 16:21
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It really does seem like a kind of Star Trek-like "Prime Directive" situation. It is moral to help those in need and prevent suffering, but is it ethical for those who possess a technological advantage to interfere with the natural development of a less technologically advanced society?
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Feb 18, 2014 19:25
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If Rudy were to swap out his Adventurer subclass for something else, do you suppose he'd die? Like, is he being maintained by the contract's existence, like some kind of lich with a paper phylactery, or was the revive just because he had "Adventurer" status at the moment?
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Feb 19, 2014 02:41
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Wolpertinger posted:I was skimming around google, and found another thing that it might have been. - more possible big manga or whatever spoilers, obviously. Apparently, Nureha discovered how to permanently kill adventurers by buying the cathedral they are bound to, which would be pretty world changing itself Huh.It almost seems obvious, considering how Shiroe was able to blackmail all the guilds of Akihabara by buying the Guild building. In fact you could probably blackmail even harder by restricting access to that area (and therefore, the only means of revival) in exchange for obedience to your will or whatever.
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:
Ahahaha. Now Lenessia's been merchandised and turned into a creeper figurine!
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Mar 1, 2014 15:59
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Ethiser posted:Or if one wasn't literally a child. I mean come on I really do not want to see a middle schooler's crush on someone in his twenties treated seriously. I would be okay with this only if it was treated in a realistic and mature manner. I mean, hell, it's not an unbelievable thing -- tons of people, myself included, have had crushes on teachers while in middle school. Puberty is a confusing thing. There's lots of novels in the teen section that deal with middle-school crushes. But Shiroe should handle it in the way a realistic, mature adult person would. He should set a boundary and be firm with her: "I'm flattered, but you're only thirteen, this is a confusing time for you when you're discovering all sorts of new emotions, and you have a lot of growing-up to do." So basically, in a way that would probably never come up in any anime, disappointingly.
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Vengarr posted:I, too, wanted to see a 30-minute episode where Shiroe called a guild meeting to discuss acceptable fraternization. Preferably with slides. I never said anything like that! You're being unfair. 
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Mar 2, 2014 05:47
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I like that the plot is gearing up for the last three episodes. The show had really been dragging along with this slice-of-life stuff since the end of the incredible Goblin War Arc, so it would've been such a let-down to end on such a ho-hum note. Let's hope that the revving-up indicates that they're planning on a second season somewhere down the line!
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Mar 8, 2014 23:47
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I really like how Minori's taking after Shiroe, but I hope that they make it more interesting someday by, rather than having her just become "Shiroe Jr.", she'll have reason to go against him at some point. It seems unlikely, though, given the show's style.
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Mar 15, 2014 15:25
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Ahhhh! I'm really really excited about Season 2 coming this fall! It's gonna be so great with Anti-Shiro Nureha in the mix and all the other stuff that they'll be getting into. I have a feeling it's just gonna keep getting bigger and more complex! Also, seconding the guy who wanted the OST. The main "stuff is getting real" theme has really grown on me. I think it'd be an excellent accompaniment for when I execute a master-plan in Crusader Kings 2 or whatever. 
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Mar 22, 2014 15:25
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I think it was said earlier in the show that everyone who got "shifted" was playing the game at the time. So their character who they were playing at the time was the one they became.
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Mar 23, 2014 14:39
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Actually you get to be all of them at once, you sort of become this distributed hive-mind like entity. It's pretty awesome.
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Mar 23, 2014 17:45
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Furious Lobster posted:There was a quick mention of Ooshima contacting Shiroe in episode 21; I think you'll find the name of Ooshima's guild to be somewhat of a give-away Ahahaha, so Shiroe has become Varys! Excellent. What a lovely sly reference!
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Mar 23, 2014 20:43
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They could probably use the magical contract law skill to create a common-use contract or some kind of dummy "holding guild" that would have collective ownership of the Cathedral and grant dual membership. So you could be a member of the "Akihabara Holding Trust guild" as a secondary guild to your primary guild, which would guarantee access to the facilities and buildings owned collectively by the residents of Akihabara. I also wonder if in the next season they'll deal with the issue of succession of power. As it is, the only reason why Akihabara works as well as it does is that the founding members of Round Table happen to be fairly benevolent people. But this system will only last one generation. Once they have to move on, or if someone needs to succeed them for some other reason, the tendency will be for oligarchy to move towards monopolizing power for their own benefit instead of the community's.
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So Round Table will just stay in power forever like the Faction leaders in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri? That's hardly better. There's issues with that as well. Like what if some personal disagreement or scandal makes one or two of them very unpopular, or someone has a nervous breakdown and starts to behave irrationally? How do you remove these people from office? What if the crafting guilds use their influence on the council to monopolize all trade in the city for their own benefit, and give preferential treatment to their own guildmembers? You can't just depend on them being just and benevolent and good forever; some system needs to be put into place such that it guarantees fresh blood being rotated into Round Table, and to address issues like unseating a member.
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